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Rope-a-dope by the Braves. I can see it now -- they have proabably ID'ed another Tiger minor league pitcher they want.

"Well Dave, sorry we couldn't do business today, see you soon..... well....wait....maybe....what say you thow that left-hander you aren't all that high on. No he's not much but he'd be a nice organizational fill for us....."

The rest is History as they say....

just DO NOT trade a pitcher to the Braves.

I'm guessing they might want a Third Baseman to take over for Chipper, since Prado was the heir apparent, possibly this guy: Nick Castellanos Picked by Detroit Tigers in 2010 MLB Draft - YouTube ....NO! But, I would trade Oliver and Castellanos for Prado and Jurrjens tho.

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That would mean the Braves would be trading Jurrjens for Oliver.... sign me up for that one!

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Rope-a-dope by the Braves. I can see it now -- they have proabably ID'ed another Tiger minor league pitcher they want.

"Well Dave, sorry we couldn't do business today, see you soon..... well....wait....maybe....what say you thow that left-hander you aren't all that high on. No he's not much but he'd be a nice organizational fill for us....."

The rest is History as they say....

just DO NOT trade a pitcher to the Braves.

I feel like the Braves probably want someone like Brayan Villarreal, Jose Ortega, or Brenny Paulino. That's the type of guy they like. Oliver would probably be a reliever for them, too.

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I feel like the Braves probably want someone like Brayan Villarreal, Jose Ortega, or Brenny Paulino. That's the type of guy they like. Oliver would probably be a reliever for them, too.

I'd give them Villarreal, Paulino and Young for Prado

2011 AAT Magglio Ordoñez

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If they want Andy Oliver for Martin Prado, I'd take it. We all overrated that guy.

Not me. I've called him a LH Nate Cornejo all along. Deer in the headlights...

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Not me. I've called him a LH Nate Cornejo all along. Deer in the headlights...

I'm not sure I see the similarities. Oliver is a lefty that can hit 95. Cornejo was damaged goods from overuse. He just didn't have the stuff to get anyone out with that 84 mph fastball.

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Martin Prado is a plus hitter, and can play both 2B and 3B. I'd give Delmon + Andy Oliver if need be, or Raburn.

This pretty much sums up where I'm at, although I doubt they bite on Delmon.

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I wonder if they would do something like Boesch and Oliver for Prado and Minor. Boesch would be a great get for them and they have a surplus of young pitchers.

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I wonder if they would do something like Boesch and Oliver for Prado and Minor. Boesch would be a great get for them and they have a surplus of young pitchers.

No.

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Elaborate? I don't agree. While Minor is certainly worth more than Oliver, Boesch is worth more than Prado too. A year away from arb still, 2 extra years of control and a player the Braves would overall prefer IMO, as they have soured on Prado a bit from what people are saying. I'd sweeten it with a relief prospect if necessary.

THen we play Prado at 3B and sign Dejesus,Cespedes or some other OF, something we can't do at 3B.

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I wonder if they would do something like Boesch and Oliver for Prado and Minor. Boesch would be a great get for them and they have a surplus of young pitchers.

Methinks this is a fair swap....at least from the Braves perspective. Certainly better tHan Elmon

Not sure if I'd consider Oliver a legit trade chip ATM ..even Dombrowski seems to be down on him, to the point of eliminating him as a viable option for the immediate future...why would any other Gms invest as much a gamble in him? It seems Turner, Below, Wilk, Smyly, and perhaps even Voss have stepped ahead of him on the depth chart.

I'd propose a deal of Austin Jackson and prospects Bruce Rondon, Casey Crosby, and Gustavo Nunez for Prado and Jonny Venters. Continue the search for a new centerfielder, as well as a new leadoff hitter.

Elmon is just not gonna get it done with Frank Wren, IMO.

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Would you trade Raburn for Prado?

Probably. Prado is the better defender @ 2B, probably better suited for the top of the order than Raburn. But I'd still look to move Young and get a better defender in LF (likely seperate moves). The Tigers could still roll with Young in LF and Prado @ 2B which is better than Young in LF and Raburn @ 2B. I still think Raburn in LF and Prado @ 2B is the best of the 3 options (not that these should be the only options considered on November 16th).

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I wonder if they would do something like Boesch and Oliver for Prado and Minor. Boesch would be a great get for them and they have a surplus of young pitchers.

And then what?

We're then stuck with Young in LF and no one in RF?

Dirks?

Really......?

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oH hAI Ryan Raburn!

/ducks

"Look, Frank, it's true that Raburn doesn't play well in the beginning of the year, but we're in the North! It's cold in the North! Surely, playing in a balmy April day in Georgia will allow his bat to flourish, right?

And besides, you totally owe me."

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And then what?

We're then stuck with Young in LF and no one in RF?

Dirks?

Really......?

Well Young or Raburn in the OF is a lot better than Inge at 3B anyways, but what I said was that we could sign a FA replacement for the OF MUCH easier than we could sign a similar 3B. Dejesus and Cespedes are who I prefer.

Even if we had to go with Young/Raburn/Dirks, which I don't want to do, we'd still be a better overall team with Minor in that 5 slot and Prado hitting 2nd and playing 3B than with Boesch in RF and Oliver doing whatever. The Braves OTOH have a pitching surplus and need a young, cost controlled slugging corner OF.

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Methinks this is a fair swap....at least from the Braves perspective. Certainly better tHan Elmon

Not sure if I'd consider Oliver a legit trade chip ATM ..even Dombrowski seems to be down on him, to the point of eliminating him as a viable option for the immediate future...why would any other Gms invest as much a gamble in him? It seems Turner, Below, Wilk, Smyly, and perhaps even Voss have stepped ahead of him on the depth chart.

I'd propose a deal of Austin Jackson and prospects Bruce Rondon, Casey Crosby, and Gustavo Nunez for Prado and Jonny Venters. Continue the search for a new centerfielder, as well as a new leadoff hitter.

Elmon is just not gonna get it done with Frank Wren, IMO.

Well Truman made the point they might want a RHOF and if that is so this may not work out. Not really sure though. Boesch does hit lefties well so maybe it doesn't matter.

Venters is a stud, but if we are going to go after one of their young pitchers I want a starter. Bullpen guys can be found and Venters got a really heavy workload for a young guy last year. Fell apart at the end as did Kimbrel. They have 4 young starters plus Jurjens, so I'd like to get a SP out of the deal.

I'm not saying Oliver is a particularly valuable trade chip who is specifically coveted, but all teams have Wilk/Below types. Oliver still has impressive stuff and some upside if he can get his control down a bit. He's kind of a throw in to complete the deal built around Boesch, not the guy that entices them to do it. Teams trade for risk/reward type prospects all the time in deals like this. I remember when Cleveland traded Lee to Philly they took back a prospect just off Tommy John because of his upside and potential. Teams would rather gamble on a high end talent rather than take back AAAA, organizational types.

Don't think they want Jackson as they just got Bourn.

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Prado would be a tremendous addition for the spots he fills in the order and the field.

Assuming that covers either 2B or 3B, I hope the Tigers continue to try to improve the other spot. On MLB radio this morning they said the Mariners are trying to entice the Tigers, Giants or a 3rd team I can't remember (Rockies, maybe) to take Figgins off their hands for a mediocre prospect with the Mariners paying a big portion of Figgins' salary. His time in Seattle has been a disaster, but if he could return to anywhere near his Angels' production, a Figgins/Prado combo in the infield and atop the order would look nice. It would be worth a cheap gamble to find out about Figgins.

Then if those (assuming) low-costs are made, and if they think Cespedes is the real deal, they could probably go all-out for him to finish off the position player re-tooling without sacrificing any player talent of real consequence.

All of this sounds scary good in theory.

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