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Share some of the links John... I love debating this stuff too.

I am looking....alot of those links are from 07-08 and are broken....If I do not get to them today I will try to link them tomorrow.

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I certainly did not see that ending coming:

Spoiler: I would make a terrible script writer, I thought it was going to be a sappy ending with the buck leading the little kid off to find the girl to fulfill Ricks request for a sign from God. I never would have thought to write his son getting shot right before his eyes.

I didn't quite understand how the people were dead in their vehicles on the freeway but didn't look to have been eaten, they looked more decomposed? Any thoughts on this?

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I didn't quite understand how the people were dead in their vehicles on the freeway but didn't look to have been eaten, they looked more decomposed? Any thoughts on this?

They opted out like the guy in the tent?

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They opted out like the guy in the tent?

That's what I've thought too... or perhaps they dies of natural causes such as disease or exposure or whatever. Interestingly, the walkers didn't seem interested in eating the dead in the cars. Might they only go after fresh meat?

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They seemed a little bit smarter this episode than they should have been based on what Jenner showed them in the finale of S1. At least to me.

That is a good question about all the people in the cars.

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I certainly did not see that ending coming:

Spoiler: I would make a terrible script writer, I thought it was going to be a sappy ending with the buck leading the little kid off to find the girl to fulfill Ricks request for a sign from God. I never would have thought to write his son getting shot right before his eyes.

I didn't quite understand how the people were dead in their vehicles on the freeway but didn't look to have been eaten, they looked more decomposed? Any thoughts on this?

Lazy zombies......really...they were infected in the car and just ended up there. They can go dormant until something is around to attract their attention. This is quite common in the realm of zombie lore.

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They seemed a little bit smarter this episode than they should have been based on what Jenner showed them in the finale of S1. At least to me.

That is a good question about all the people in the cars.

Yeah I do not like them using tools like rocks to get through glass.

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Lazy zombies......really...they were infected in the car and just ended up there. They can go dormant until something is around to attract their attention. This is quite common in the realm of zombie lore.

What about the one that Carl pulled out of the vehicle while retrieving the axe etc?

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What about the one that Carl pulled out of the vehicle while retrieving the axe etc?

Either suicide that incapacitated the brain or they dried up and died there without being bitten.

My guess would be that in that specific instance the guy sat in his car and was over run by a horde of zombies. He gave up and either offed himself or just died...maybe a heart attack....maybe a stroke.....maybe the guy had a medical condition and didn't have his medicine. These are all plausable explanations.

IIRC the windows were still intact and noone else was in the truck with him. No sign of a struggle, no blood etc.

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What about the one that Carl pulled out of the vehicle while retrieving the axe etc?

Definitely dead... Here's a thought... do Zombie's die of things other than major trauma to the brain? I'm taking in the series here. Some zombie lore says that they will I believe, but I'm wondering based on what we've seen in the series.

We know they don't need to have functioning organs... they don't need a circulatory system. You can't kill a zombie by disemboweling or "bleeding it out" or suffocating it. But I do believe that a zombie will decompose over time. It certainly appears that some zombies have higher levels of degradation to their bodies. Obviously some of this is due to physical damage, but some appears to be decomposition.

Furthermore, zombies are driven to eat. Why? One explanation is that this is a way for the zombie virus to propagate itself. If a zombie doesn't try to bite anything, no spread of the virus and the virus might die out. Therefore, an engineered virus would certainly be designed to make the infected try to do something that would infect others. Likewise, a natural virus would not be successful if it didn't cause this desire in it's victims. If this is a natural virus there may have been hundreds or thousands of instances earlier in history where the virus showed up, but because it didn't cause the desire to eat, it never because an epidemic.

Having said all this, a desire to eat a victim is probably not the most efficient way for a virus to spread. Generally you'd want to the victim to be able to sustain itself for a while so it could spread the virus itself. A zombie doesn't bite and leave, it attempts to fully consume it's victim. So perhaps another reason that it have a desire to eat is to heal/rebuild itself. This might fall in line with the idea that a zombie will decompose and die if it doesn't get nutrition.

If that's the case, then perhaps some of the bodies in the cars were zombies who died of "natural" causes.

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Definitely dead... Here's a thought... do Zombie's die of things other than major trauma to the brain? I'm taking in the series here. Some zombie lore says that they will I believe, but I'm wondering based on what we've seen in the series.<snip>

I have wondered similar things as well. Lots of interesting observations/questions in this post.

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That also reminds me:

A big group of zombies is a horde not a herd.

They only referenced "herd" because that is the way they were acting.

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Definitely dead... Here's a thought... do Zombie's die of things other than major trauma to the brain? I'm taking in the series here. Some zombie lore says that they will I believe, but I'm wondering based on what we've seen in the series.

We know they don't need to have functioning organs... they don't need a circulatory system. You can't kill a zombie by disemboweling or "bleeding it out" or suffocating it. But I do believe that a zombie will decompose over time. It certainly appears that some zombies have higher levels of degradation to their bodies. Obviously some of this is due to physical damage, but some appears to be decomposition.

Furthermore, zombies are driven to eat. Why? One explanation is that this is a way for the zombie virus to propagate itself. If a zombie doesn't try to bite anything, no spread of the virus and the virus might die out. Therefore, an engineered virus would certainly be designed to make the infected try to do something that would infect others. Likewise, a natural virus would not be successful if it didn't cause this desire in it's victims. If this is a natural virus there may have been hundreds or thousands of instances earlier in history where the virus showed up, but because it didn't cause the desire to eat, it never because an epidemic.

Having said all this, a desire to eat a victim is probably not the most efficient way for a virus to spread. Generally you'd want to the victim to be able to sustain itself for a while so it could spread the virus itself. A zombie doesn't bite and leave, it attempts to fully consume it's victim. So perhaps another reason that it have a desire to eat is to heal/rebuild itself. This might fall in line with the idea that a zombie will decompose and die if it doesn't get nutrition.

If that's the case, then perhaps some of the bodies in the cars were zombies who died of "natural" causes.

I have read just about every book on the subject and one of the books had the zombies eating until they literally blew up to proportions that made it near impossible to move. Usually the idea is that it is the most primal and basic of needs....to eat and it is the only one that they comprehend based on some deep primal need to eat to survive.

As far as decomposing this is one of the main reasons (aside from the virus actually slowing down the process somehow and most of the time in the fiction I have read it is caused from the radiation that follows after a nuclear trike trys to erradicate the virus...it ends up making those not killed in the balst immune to decomp) this will never happen. Decomp will literally start drying muscles up and tendons start to fall off which makes the zombie imobile and unable to hunt. The theory I have always ascribed to was that the organs no longer process the food to sustain the muscles...they do not breath so the muslces become starved and end up breaking down and this usually does not take long.....again that all depends on the virus though.....most of the time in fiction there is something written into the description of the virus that explains how they do not decomp as quickly as normal or something in the virus that helps sustain the muscles that keep the zomb moving.

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I haven't read a lot of zombie fiction, but what I have read I seem to remember something like that... the virus slows some decomp dramatically. I think World War Z has something in there about the virus making the flesh not palatable to the organism that normally aid in the decomp.

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i love the walking dead, but, a couple of things really bother me...why don't these goof balls get better vehicles ? why don't they get to a secure building that is gated and bring tons of food and weapon and relax ?

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why don't they get to a secure building that is gated and bring tons of food and weapon and relax ?

Like the Hispanics at the hospital?

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i love the walking dead, but, a couple of things really bother me...why don't these goof balls get better vehicles ? why don't they get to a secure building that is gated and bring tons of food and weapon and relax ?

I've thought about this too... but, one thing to consider: My dad used to LOVE to tinker with cars. He could fix just about anything that that would make an engine rattle or chug or just not run right. Some good hand tools and the right parts... or even not the right parts in some cases, and he would have it running.

He can't do that anymore because more and more functionality of the engine is computerized. Old cars might not be as reliable, but they are easier to fix "in the field" than modern things.

That said, I think they could upgrade a little bit and still be in the "field fixable" range. Furthermore, there are SO MANY vehicles, why not just get as reliable as you can, and then when it breaks down, get a different one that sitting along the side of the road?

As for why don't they hole up somewhere... I don't think they are a big enough group to do that. You'd spend a good deal of resources patrolling and fixing the compound, and there isn't really a large enough population for sustainability.

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I've thought about this too... but, one thing to consider: My dad used to LOVE to tinker with cars. He could fix just about anything that that would make an engine rattle or chug or just not run right. Some good hand tools and the right parts... or even not the right parts in some cases, and he would have it running.

He can't do that anymore because more and more functionality of the engine is computerized. Old cars might not be as reliable, but they are easier to fix "in the field" than modern things.

That said, I think they could upgrade a little bit and still be in the "field fixable" range. Furthermore, there are SO MANY vehicles, why not just get as reliable as you can, and then when it breaks down, get a different one that sitting along the side of the road?

As for why don't they hole up somewhere... I don't think they are a big enough group to do that. You'd spend a good deal of resources patrolling and fixing the compound, and there isn't really a large enough population for sustainability.

I've wondered about both of these things. You've offered up reasonable explanations.

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Lazy zombies......really...they were infected in the car and just ended up there. They can go dormant until something is around to attract their attention. This is quite common in the realm of zombie lore.

I don't recall any of the dead in the cars "waking up" while the group was scavenging. I don't think this is a plausible explanation. I tend to go with the "opted out" scenario. And zombies obviously only eat fresh meat. :nervous:

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i love the walking dead, but, a couple of things really bother me...why don't these goof balls get better vehicles ? why don't they get to a secure building that is gated and bring tons of food and weapon and relax ?

It is kind of what they are doing....they are trying to go where they think things are safe and secure...Ft Benning. They know things are bad, but maybe the feel like there is a 'wall' or 'cure' waiting for them when they get there to try and rebuild.

If we were 2-3 years into the outbreak I could see this, but we are pretty early into it. The guys at the hostpital are only there to protect the old and infirm... they cannot travel.

They are running towards hope and the possibility of REAL security in terms of the government. If they find nothing there I would guess they are going to start looking for a secure location.

The vehicle part I am not sure about.....they tore apart and left behind a brand new looking Camaro for fuel for the other dumpter cars they got....I was not a fan of that move...I also kept thinking they should try to upgrade the mobile home Dale drives....Maybe they just have yet to see one....I am not sure if it makes much sense to risk the security of the group going into a town to try and find a better RV. If they drive by one and do not switch I will have some questions.

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I don't recall any of the dead in the cars "waking up" while the group was scavenging. I don't think this is a plausible explanation. I tend to go with the "opted out" scenario. And zombies obviously only eat fresh meat. :nervous:

You are forgetting the very first episode when Rick was on the horse in Atlanta. There was a whole bus with em in there just sitting and waiting.

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I've thought about this too... but, one thing to consider: My dad used to LOVE to tinker with cars. He could fix just about anything that that would make an engine rattle or chug or just not run right. Some good hand tools and the right parts... or even not the right parts in some cases, and he would have it running.

He can't do that anymore because more and more functionality of the engine is computerized. Old cars might not be as reliable, but they are easier to fix "in the field" than modern things.

That said, I think they could upgrade a little bit and still be in the "field fixable" range. Furthermore, there are SO MANY vehicles, why not just get as reliable as you can, and then when it breaks down, get a different one that sitting along the side of the road?

As for why don't they hole up somewhere... I don't think they are a big enough group to do that. You'd spend a good deal of resources patrolling and fixing the compound, and there isn't really a large enough population for sustainability.

Not sure the motor home is the best use of their resources, although it does offer some limited shelter in an emergency.

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