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Interesting thing about Ministry: did you know they started out as an 80s New Wave synthpop band? It's true! Here is one of the songs from that crappyass period:

I did know that. He was on a major label at first, and he said they really took hold of the music and wouldn't let him do what he wanted. He sued to get off the label and went in his own direction.

The second album, Twitch, was leaning in the crappy direction they eventually went to, but still more like mid-'80s industrial in the style of Front 242 than the butt-metal they ended up settling in on:

Equally unlistenable though. As bad as the synth-pop was, at least it had a melody.

Edited by Joe Gahona

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Not sure if it was mentioned...there were a lot of good ones listed but I always liked Scooby Snacks by Fun Lovin Criminals

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When I think of the '90's, I think these two groups, for starters...

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You want a Soundgarden song that rocks relentlessly hard (beware: commercial ambush alert):

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My personal favorite Soundgarden song...I remember the first time hearing this and just being blown away. Really the whole Superunknown album was awesome when I heard it, better in many ways (to me) than In Utero or Versus, both of which were also very popular at the time.

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Local H "Bound For The Floor"

Quick story on these guys...my brother and I went to see them with Stone Temple Pilots in Chapel Hill, NC back in 1996 (killer weekend for us--saw The Black Crowes with Gov't Mule the night after, which was a helluva concert, too). Local H was far more powerful and interesting than Stone Temple Pilots were. That was around the time As Good As Dead came out, and we immediately got that record after the show. Two guys just flat out rocking.

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Quick story on these guys...my brother and I went to see them with Stone Temple Pilots in Chapel Hill, NC back in 1996 (killer weekend for us--saw The Black Crowes with Gov't Mule the night after, which was a helluva concert, too). Local H was far more powerful and interesting than Stone Temple Pilots were. That was around the time As Good As Dead came out, and we immediately got that record after the show. Two guys just flat out rocking.

I can see that.......a lot depends on how messed up Scott was at the time.

Where did you go see them.........that seems too big for Cat's Cradle, but that was a good place to see smaller bands....

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Yeah, STP was far too big for Cat's...the concert was at the Smith Center on UNC's campus. I was disappointed with STP sound-wise. This is the band that released some loud rockers--"Crackerman", "Wicked Garden", "Sex Type Thing", "Trippin' on a Hole". Weiland really wasn't the problem. The DeLeos just got soft.

Speaking of the Smith Center, we also saw R.E.M. with Luscious Jackson the year before while on the Monster Tour. That was a pretty cool show, too. I think I still have my concert t-shirt from that tour.

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Yeah, STP was far too big for Cat's...the concert was at the Smith Center on UNC's campus. I was disappointed with STP sound-wise. This is the band that released some loud rockers--"Crackerman", "Wicked Garden", "Sex Type Thing", "Trippin' on a Hole". Weiland really wasn't the problem. The DeLeos just got soft.

Speaking of the Smith Center, we also saw R.E.M. with Luscious Jackson the year before while on the Monster Tour. That was a pretty cool show, too. I think I still have my concert t-shirt from that tour.

Would STP sell out the Cradle today?

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Would STP sell out the Cradle today?

Hmm, probably from a novelty perspective, assuming Weiland's on board. If not, they wouldn't sell out anywhere in Chapel Hill. Superchunk would, though.

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STP started out as completely awful copycats and later sort of morphed into their own thing.

I saw STP open for Megadeth (talk about a mismatch) before anyone really knew who they were. Weiland was walking around the crowd before the show with pink dyed hair and all the metal heads were staring at him like he was a freak. About 10 minutes later he was up on stage with a bullhorn in his hand.

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Thanks. I have a specific experience that has burned this into my brain: I attended a Giants/Diamondbacks game at Pac Bell in September 2000, which was the game the Giants clinched the West that year, and the first time I had ever heard the song, the actual Baha Men were on the field performing it before the game. Then, every time the Giants would do something good on the field, they would play a snippet from the song. Then, after the clinching out and the Giant players spilled onto the field, they blasted the song throughout the stadium, and the scoreboard was showing phrases like, "Bonds let the dogs out!" "Kent let the dogs out!" "Crespo let the dogs out". And so on.

I turned to my host and said, you watch, this song is going to be played everywhere we go during the next few months. I was hoping against hope I was wrong. I was not.

Yes, when you mentioned 2000, that sounded right to me because the New York Mets adopted that song, and IIRC the Baha Men performed it before one of the Mets / Yankees World Series games at Shea in 2000.

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STP started out as completely awful copycats and later sort of morphed into their own thing.

I couldn't agree w/ the bold part more. They had a PJ wanna be song, they had an AIC wanna be song, etc. They were the worst offenders. I heard later songs on the radio or whatnot, but I always had a very negative opinion of them because I thought they were rip-off artists.

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I couldn't agree w/ the bold part more. They had a PJ wanna be song, they had an AIC wanna be song, etc. They were the worst offenders. I heard later songs on the radio or whatnot, but I always had a very negative opinion of them because I thought they were rip-off artists.

I agree. But later on they did a song called Lady Pictureshow i liked a lot despite my INTENSE hatred for them. But even now I view them, at best, as grunge's Herman's Hermits.

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Okay, this is the list I have come up with for the show (most likely). Other than Nirvana and Pearl Jam, I tried to keep a list of songs that were really big hits but don't get much play anymore.

So this is the initial list.....that will have to be pared down to 92-95 minutes.

(Must be on)

NIRVANA - In Bloom

NIRVANA - Smells Like Teen Spirit

NIRVANA - Lithium

PEARL JAM - Jeremy (Radio edit of course)

PEARL JAM - Even Flow (for Sean Casey)

PEARL JAM - Why Go

(considering)

BELLY - FEED THE TREE

BETTER THAN EZRA - GOOD

BLUR - THERE'S NO OTHER WAY

BREEDERS - CANNONBALL

CATHERINE WHEEL - CRANK

CRACKER - TEEN ANGST

DADA - DIZZ KNEE LAND

DINOSAUR JR. - FEEL THE PAIN

EDWYN COLLINS - A GIRL LIKE YOU

EELS - NOVOCAINE FOR THE SOUL

ELASTICA - CONNECTION

EVERCLEAR - SANTA MONICA

FLAMING LIPS - SHE DON'T USE JELLY

FOLK IMPLOSION - NATURAL ONE

FRANK BLACK - LOS ANGELES

GARBAGE - STUPID GIRL

GEGGY TAH - WHOEVER YOU ARE

HOLE - DOLL PARTS

JULIANA HATFIELD - MY SISTER

LETTERS TO CLEO - HERE AND NOW

LUSCIOUS JACKSON - NAKED EYE

NENEH CHERRY - TROUT

PAVEMENT - CUT YOUR HAIR

PORNO FOR PYROS - PETS

PRESIDENTS USA - LUMP

RADIOHEAD - JUST

REFRESHMENTS - BANDITOS

SLOAN - UNDERWHELMED

SPACEHOG - IN THE MEANTIME

SPONGE - MOLLY

SUGAR - IF I CAN'T CHANGE YOUR MIND

TEMPLE OF THE DOG - HUNGER STRIKE

TRIPPING DAISY - I GOT A GIRL

URGE OVERKILL - SISTER HAVANA

VERUCA SALT - SEETHER

WEEN - PUSH TH' LITTLE DAISIES

WEEZER - EL SCORCHO

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Here are the ones from the "considering" list I'd go with...

(considering)

BELLY FEED THE TREE

BETTER THAN EZRA GOOD

BREEDERS CANNONBALL

CRACKER TEEN ANGST

DADA DIZZ KNEE LAND

DINOSAUR JR. FEEL THE PAIN (NOTE: You should play The Wagon instead)

EVERCLEAR SANTA MONICA

FLAMING LIPS SHE DON'T USE JELLY

FOLK IMPLOSION NATURAL ONE

FRANK BLACK LOS ANGELES

GARBAGE STUPID GIRL

HOLE DOLL PARTS

JULIANA HATFIELD MY SISTER

LETTERS TO CLEO HERE AND NOW

LUSCIOUS JACKSON NAKED EYE

PAVEMENT CUT YOUR HAIR

PORNO FOR PYROS PETS

PRESIDENTS USA LUMP

RADIOHEAD JUST

REFRESHMENTS BANDITOS

SLOAN UNDERWHELMED

SPACEHOG IN THE MEANTIME

SPONGE MOLLY

SUGAR IF I CAN'T CHANGE YOUR MIND

TEMPLE OF THE DOG HUNGER STRIKE

TRIPPING DAISY I GOT A GIRL

URGE OVERKILL SISTER HAVANA

VERUCA SALT SEETHER

WEEN PUSH TH' LITTLE DAISIES

WEEZER EL SCORCHO

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17 of those songs made the final cut.

for those of us who live outside of listening range and don't really do podcasts, can we get a final playlist?

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for those of us who live outside of listening range and don't really do podcasts, can we get a final playlist?

Yes, but I can not post the playlist until the show airs (Sunday Sept 25th)

Why not do the podcast? It's easy...you don't have to download this one....just click listen. Don't cost nothin'

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Currently on 101.9 WDET they are debating this very topic.

I was listening on lunch and had to come in the office and stream the rest of it. 2 people discussing the merits of each.

The first song they played was Black by Pearl Jam which just so happens to be (if not my number one song of all time) one of my favorites.

I then thought to myself 'self, NOWAY Nirvana beats that.' then they played territorial pissings and it brought back all those memories of Nirvana back.

I still think Nirvana is given 'extra credit', as it were, for only having 2 albums (3, but before Nevermind doesnt count IMO) I didn't like In Utero at all really, but Pearl Jam went on to have some really good albums after Ten.

Every single song on Ten was a really good song and I liked the majority of Nevermind there were a couple songs that didn't blow me away.

As the drummer from 'In Living Color' mentiond on the show also: You really cannot compare the 2 without adding Soundgraden in there which also just happen to be one of my favorite bands.

Take them out though,... and I still give the edge to Pearl Jam.

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I also the timing of the releases has a TON to do with it. If Jeremy (I think that was the first single? Maybe ......nevermind it was Alive....anyway,

If Alive comes out before SLTS I am not sure if we even have this discussion.

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I also the timing of the releases has a TON to do with it. If Jeremy (I think that was the first single? Maybe ......nevermind it was Alive....anyway,

If Alive comes out before SLTS I am not sure if we even have this discussion.

Yes we do because they are very different bands. And Smells Like Teen Spirit was a much edgier, different sound than Alive.

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