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I agree it is probably not worth using the amnesty clause this summer, simply because we should not be a player for any major free agents. The only reason I would consider it is to break up the Gordon/Rip combo at shooting guard. The split minutes are going to continue to hinder both players performance, and more importantly, their trade value.

The big decision will be what to do with Stuckey. I hate to see him go because I still think he has a potential breakout, all-star season in him. And we haven't even seen Knight play yet. However, it is pretty tough to see Stuckey sticking around and Knight getting the minutes to develop. If we could do a sign and trade with Stuckey and get a quality young forward in return, that would be ideal.

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NBA free-agent buzz: Teams courting Nene - NBA - Yahoo! Sports

wants to play for the Bulls, sources said, and coach Tom Thibodeau has a relationship with him going back to their Houston Rockets days together. T-Mac is still a consideration to return to the Pistons, too.

If

leaves Detroit without a starting small forward, the Pistons will have to work through a thin class to find a starter. For depth at the position, the Pistons will take a close look at free agent Mike Dunleavy

, who is leaving the Indiana Pacers

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Wow, everything I am hearing about the Pistons sounds awful right now. Not using the amnesty clause and probably won't be part of any big FAs or trades (maybe).

Gores could of endeared himself to the fans using the Amnesty Clause, cut bait and move on.

My mind can easily be changed simply by not bringing Stuckey back, I don't care if Knight is the answer or not, we all know Stuckey isn't.

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It's that time of year again, where someone mentions Kaman/Prince and Del gets pissed, might as well start now:

Vince Goodwill of the Det News gets us started:

Detroit Pistons - NBA | Report: Clippers interested in Tayshaun Prince; Kaman could be part of deal | The Detroit News

Auburn Hills— The Pistons held off on trading forward Tayshaun Prince last season, and it could pay off in the form of Chris Kaman.

According to the Los Angeles Times, the L.A. Clippers have reached out to Prince, an unrestricted free agent. Prince is a Compton, Calif., native and could want to return to the West Coast.

How does it affect the Pistons? They have Prince's "Larry Bird rights," which means they can sign him to greater annual raises (7.5 percent) compared to him signing with another team outright (4.5 percent raises)

At 31, this is likely the last long-term deal Prince will sign, and he won't command the $11.1 million he made with the Pistons last season, the final season of a five-year deal he signed in 2005.

The ideal candidate in a sign-and-trade is Kaman.

Kaman, 29, who attended Central Michigan from 2000-03, went through an injury-plagued season last year with the Clippers, averaging 12.4 points and seven rebounds. The season before, when he played 76 games, he averaged a career-high 18.5 points and 9.3 rebounds.

The Clippers are under the salary cap but want to keep restricted free agent DeAndre Jordan, who will command a lot of attention in the abbreviated free-agency period. Jordan plays the same position as Kaman, whom the Pistons would gladly take off the Clippers' hands

He has been on the trading block since last season, but contrary to popular belief, the Pistons and Clippers didn't have conversations involving Kaman.

That could change this time around, especially with teams likely to make big bids for Nene (Denver), Jordan and Tyson Chandler (Dallas) when free agency officially begins Dec. 9.

Kaman's expiring $12.2 million deal is certainly no drawback. The Pistons would love to find someone to pair alongside Greg Monroe, and Kaman is an accomplished low-post scorer.

Although he played 32 games last year and 31 in 2008-09, the Pistons haven't been shy to take on players with a history of injuries. Tracy McGrady stayed healthy for almost all of last year and Antonio McDyess revitalized his career here.

It's another reason why the Pistons aren't in a rush to amnesty anyone just yet. They will explore every avenue before giving up an asset for nothing.

The Clippers will have competition, though. Dallas wanted Prince at the trade deadline and Miami is also expected to make a push for him.

Prince's production (14.1 points, 4.2 rebounds), versatility and veteran presence appeal to the Clippers, a young team led by Blake Griffin. Prince was one of the league's iron men, playing in 439 straight games before a back injury ended the streak in 2009-10. He played in 78 games last season and averaged 32.8 minutes, his lowest since 2004.

From The Detroit News: Detroit Pistons - NBA | Report: Clippers interested in Tayshaun Prince; Kaman could be part of deal | The Detroit News

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Actually, that trade makes a lot of sense. If it's 2008.

I love Joe. Making trades he should have made 3 years ago. Talking about using amnesty on his 2 biggest free agent signings. What a disaster he has become.

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Lets give Gores a chance. I originally said I would be very disappointed if we didn't use the amnesty cut but based on the things I have read it might make sense to hold onto it for a year. That Kaman trade could help us in the short term, because Monroe needs a solid big man next to him in order to improve. I think a lot of people want to just blow up the team and start all rookies and 2nd year players but that is not how you develop young talent. Knight and Monroe would benefit from a player like Kaman, and need a player like that to truly reach their potential. If we hold onto amnesty cut for a year I at least hope we can trade Gordon, Rip, Villanueva or Maxiell. Seems unlikely though. Either way, the team needs to make sure Knight, Daye, Jerebko and Monroe get serious minutes.

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After looking at it further, I would say there is almost no chance that trade happens.

Taking on Kaman would put the Pistons over the cap at $61M. Thats without new contracts for Stuckey and Jerebko. Sing those two for another $10M between them and thats $71M and only 11 players under contract. By the time you fill the other roster spots you are pushing $75M per year which means they would have to amnesty someone. I cant imagine Gores is chomping at the bit to pay $75M to lose 40 games.

From the Clippers perspective, it makes even less sense. They have more than enough cap space to sign Prince without the need for a sign and trade. They have their eyes on at least making a play for either CP3/Williams/Howard. They have the young players to offer a nice deal, but because they are young none of them make much money yet. So they need Kaman and his big deal to make it work. Plus teams will be willing to take him on because he is expiring. So most likely they will hold onto him and pray they can pull off a miracle.

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Ever thought of being a GM del?

Amnesty Clause: It could make sense to hold onto for a year, only if Joe is convinced he can move someone via trade, otherwise someone needs to be off the books. CV is a big body, I think he is the most tradeable, because his contract isn't completely awful. After this season Rip will only have one year left, I can live with that. Ben Gordon is eating up $11 mil a year and still has 3 years left on his deal. That is the guy I would say good bye to.

Trades: I don't feel like the Pistons are in very good position to make any trades, unless its a sign and trade with Tay, and as Del pointed out, the Clippers don't seem like a partner. The Heat and Mavs may be interested, but whats the draw? No one wants Maxiell, we are probably stuck there.

Stuckey: I have to assume he will be back. But honestly, why? He isn't the PG of the future, how valuable would he be as a trade asset? The Pistons won't be good this year, why not see what Knight has? Lawerence Frank has a good reputation as a talent developer, so I am OK starting a rookie PG.

In the next two weeks I want to atleast have an idea of what Joe is doing and what direction he is heading, he has no plan since he traded for Rasheed. He completely botched the Chauncey deal and then miraculously made it worse by signing CV and Ben Gordon. Joe is a disaster of a GM, and I hope Gores is a little ruthless. If Joe doesn't turn it around soon get him out of there.

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Stuckey: I have to assume he will be back. But honestly, why? He isn't the PG of the future, how valuable would he be as a trade asset? The Pistons won't be good this year, why not see what Knight has? Lawerence Frank has a good reputation as a talent developer, so I am OK starting a rookie PG.

I think Stuckey could be a good combo guard off of the bench, value as a scorer with the second unit I guess. I agree Knight should get a look as the starter at PG, and hope in turn that puts Stuckey on the second unit.

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I would be OK with stuckey as a backup combo guard. I think he could get 12-15 minutes backing up each position. That would nearly put him at starter minutes. An MLE type contract would be good value here I think.

I doubt Knight starts right away. PG is a tough position to play.

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Why would we bring Tmac back?

I think you answered it best.

In the next two weeks I want to atleast have an idea of what Joe is doing and what direction he is heading, he has no plan since he traded for Rasheed. He completely botched the Chauncey deal and then miraculously made it worse by signing CV and Ben Gordon. Joe is a disaster of a GM, and I hope Gores is a little ruthless. If Joe doesn't turn it around soon get him out of there.

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I would be OK with stuckey as a backup combo guard. I think he could get 12-15 minutes backing up each position. That would nearly put him at starter minutes. An MLE type contract would be good value here I think.

I doubt Knight starts right away. PG is a tough position to play.

This would be a perfect situation. I don't want to just let Stuckey walk, he's too valuable a young player. Maybe not valuable in the sense of being a franchise type player or anything like that, but good teams don't let guys of his caliber walk for nothing. He's young, about a 15 PER guy, has some position versatility and can score,pass and defend to some degree each.

I'd pull his QO or let him walk in a second if we needed the cap space for someone else or we were doing a sign and trade, its not like I'm in love with him. I just don't want to let him walk for free. To me it'd be like non tendering a Rick Porcello.

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Kaman next to Monroe would be a disaster. Both are Cs, both are slow footed on D and they'd get in each other's way. We need a SF like Prince more than we need a C like Kaman at this point in time.

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I'm excited to see Knight, Monroe and Daye. Hopefully they get lots of minutes.

Exactly. The team is going to be bad, at least find out if those guys can play.

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PISTONS: Detroit Pistons Name Ken Catanella Director of Basketball Operations

Detroit Pistons Name Ken Catanella Director of Basketball Operations

AUBURN HILLS, Mich. – Detroit Pistons President of Basketball Operations Joe Dumars announced today that the team has named Ken Catanella as Director of Basketball Operations. Catanella joins the Pistons after spending several years with the NBA League Office.

In his role with the Pistons, Catanella will serve as the team’s salary cap specialist and direct Detroit’s analytics efforts.

Prior to his time with the league office, Catanella worked for the New Jersey Nets (2006-08) where he managed the Nets’ analytics and spearheaded the creation and implementation of their statistical scouting systems.

A graduate of Amherst College where he played collegiately, Catanella has worked on Wall Street providing analytics on stadium/arena financings for professional teams and valuing publicly traded companies. While earning his MBA at Duke University, Catanella served as a graduate assistant to the Blue Devils Men’s Basketball team from 2004-05. Catanella has also played professionally for the Bundesliga’s Cologne 99ers of the German League and later served as the assistant general manager of the 99ers.

For in-depth analysis by website editor Keith Langlois and special video interviews, visit THE OFFICIAL SITE OF THE DETROIT PISTONS, the official source for news and features on the Detroit Pistons.

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