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Just released today - Snyder's proposal for cost control by local governments. Requires them to enact those measures to get revenue sharing funds.

I like that it keeps pension plans in place for current employees, but requires 401K for all new hires. The unions won't like this, especially the 20% premium share:

Snyder - Snyder unveils special message to the Legislature on local government reform

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Just released today - Snyder's proposal for cost control by local governments. Requires them to enact those measures to get revenue sharing funds.

I like that it keeps pension plans in place for current employees, but requires 401K for all new hires. The unions won't like this, especially the 20% premium share:

Snyder - Snyder unveils special message to the Legislature on local government reform

Good reading, thanks for the link.

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I wonder how much it would cost to issue every government employee the book " http://www.whomovedmycheese.com/ "?

Of course, Dr. Johnson's advice is is of limited value for when they just take the cheese and leave the maze empty.....:ponder:

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I always wondered what would be happening now if Michigan had held a constitutional convention within the last couple of years.

If I recall correctly, the question of whether or not Michigan should have a constitutional convention was on the ballot in 2008. Many people voted against it, saying it would cost too much money, and it ultimately lost.

One of the big things that I would've liked to see change with the constitution of Michigan is the disallowance of school districts and cities to file for bankruptcy. As the constitution currently dictates, school districts, municipalities, etc. must have a balanced budget and cannot file for bankruptcy. Yes, I know that it ruins bond ratings, etc, but I like that idea better than an EFM.

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I always wondered what would be happening now if Michigan had held a constitutional convention within the last couple of years.

If I recall correctly, the question of whether or not Michigan should have a constitutional convention was on the ballot in 2008. Many people voted against it, saying it would cost too much money, and it ultimately lost.

One of the big things that I would've liked to see change with the constitution of Michigan is the disallowance of school districts and cities to file for bankruptcy. As the constitution currently dictates, school districts, municipalities, etc. must have a balanced budget and cannot file for bankruptcy. Yes, I know that it ruins bond ratings, etc, but I like that idea better than an EFM.

Speaking of schools, today I heard a talk that Michele Rhee gave in Cleveland about her time in DC and the conditions she found there. Just amazing stuff. But the best line was when she said that all you really had to do to insure the DC school got fixed inside a single year would be to force all the Federal Official's kids, including the first kiddies, to go to school there. Too much truth in that for comfort.

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A quick plug for those living in or near Dearborn.

Have YOUR say with The Center for Michigan in April in Royal Oak, Dearborn, Wixom, Lansing and Grand Rapids

The Center for Michigan and MIVote.org is giving citizens the opportunity to talk back to Lansing about Governor Rick Snyder’s numerous plans to remake the state’s tax system and redefine what government does and how it does it.

This will be tomorrow evening at 7 at the Main Campus of Henry Ford Community College, located at 5101 Evergreen Road, Dearborn, 48128. The Conversation will take place in the Andrew A. Mazzara Administrative Services and Conference Center which is Building AS.

The meetings have been very lively and informative (and conducted in a non partisan manner)

It should be an interesting evening.

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Emergency manager cuts roles of Benton Harbor officials | detnews.com | The Detroit News

Emergency manager cuts roles of Benton Harbor officials

Santiago Esparza / The Detroit News

Benton Harbor— In a move believed to be the first under sweeping new state legislation, Emergency Manager Joseph Harris suspended decision-making powers of city officials Friday.

Officials only can call meetings to order, adjourn them and approve minutes of meetings as part of the order issued Friday.

The action is likely the first since Gov. Rick Snyder signed into law in March a new statute that grants more powers to emergency managers appointed by the Treasury Department to take over distressed schools and communities.

At least one elected Benton Harbor official was sanguine about the order. "It doesn't bother me," said City Commissioner Bryan Joseph. "I'm in favor of it."

Joseph said he has watched financial mismanagement for decades, which was one of the reasons he ran for election in 2008.

But the move drew a strong rebuke from the AFL-CIO. The union represents administrative workers, among others.

"This is sad news for democracy in Michigan," said Mark Gaffney, president of the Michigan AFL-CIO. "With the stripping of all power of duly elected officials in Benton Harbor … we can now see the true nature of the emergency manager system."

Benton Harbor has struggled with a controversial trash hauling contract, lawsuits related to the contract, new competition for water services and city officials who sometimes clashed to the point that meetings dragged on for hours, Joseph said.

"I have seen for more than 30 years the mismanagement of funds and personnel in the city," Joseph said. "Infighting has been going on for decades."

The new powers of emergency managers include setting aside collective bargaining. Harris' order comes before two days of training for prospective emergency managers and turnaround experts is to be held next week.

Harris, former chief financial officer for the city of Detroit, wasn't available for comment late Friday night.

Emergency managers are in place at Detroit Public Schools and in the cities of Benton Harbor, Ecorse and Pontiac.

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I didn't catch the whole story, but apparently now that this financial manager has control of Benton Harbor, he wants to turn the park into an upscale country club. Benton Harbor is one of the poorest cities in the state. This is the good financial sense we need from these dictators oops financial managers. This is the democracy that makes America great. One person who now stripped the power away from all the elected officials with no input from the citizens. One person who was not picked by the people to represent them can run the city for as long as he desires with only his interest in mind. This is the democracy we need to force in the Middle East. We need to get rid of Khaddafy and appoint a financial manager without an election, who can strip the government of all their powers. I can't see why the people wouldn't want that?

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I didn't catch the whole story, but apparently now that this financial manager has control of Benton Harbor, he wants to turn the park into an upscale country club. Benton Harbor is one of the poorest cities in the state. This is the good financial sense we need from these dictators oops financial managers. This is the democracy that makes America great. One person who now stripped the power away from all the elected officials with no input from the citizens. One person who was not picked by the people to represent them can run the city for as long as he desires with only his interest in mind. This is the democracy we need to force in the Middle East. We need to get rid of Khaddafy and appoint a financial manager without an election, who can strip the government of all their powers. I can't see why the people wouldn't want that?

Don't worry, Benton Harbor is a city of black people...they don't know what good for them anyway.

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Don't worry, Benton Harbor is a city of black people...they don't know what good for them anyway.

I always hate to add facts to something, always tends to ruin the fun...of course they can be ignored if you so choose.

1) The EMF is black and previous jobs included being auditor general for Detroit and the CFO of Detroit.

2) He was appointed by Granholm.

Although you might have a point, this guy was appointed to his auditor general position by the Detroit Council, to the CFO by interim mayor Cockrell Jr., and appointed as the EMF by Granholm. Democrats have always enjoyed telling blacks how to vote...doesn't seem like a stretch.

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I always hate to add facts to something, always tends to ruin the fun...of course they can be ignored if you so choose.

1) The EMF is black and previous jobs included being auditor general for Detroit and the CFO of Detroit.

2) He was appointed by Granholm.

Although you might have a point, this guy was appointed to his auditor general position by the Detroit Council, to the CFO by interim mayor Cockrell Jr., and appointed as the EMF by Granholm. Democrats have always enjoyed telling blacks how to vote...doesn't seem like a stretch.

lol first, my post was a dig at Cecil.

Second, if you think I defend Democrats, think again. They have enjoyed telling blacks how to vote. And I wish people would stop voting for them. Also, if you think Harris is anything more than a puppet I would laugh. This is all politics.

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Don't worry, Benton Harbor is a city of black people...they don't know what good for them anyway.

Which explains why Benton Harbor was in the situation it is in, and just like how Detroit will eventually be run by a financial manager. It doesn't matter what color he is, or who appointed him, it's the fact he has unprecedented powers he didn't have before and has already used them by making elected officials useless. How is this constitutional? How can someone be appointed to take over a city and have full control of the city?

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Which explains why Benton Harbor was in the situation it is in, and just like how Detroit will eventually be run by a financial manager. It doesn't matter what color he is, or who appointed him, it's the fact he has unprecedented powers he didn't have before and has already used them by making elected officials useless. How is this constitutional? How can someone be appointed to take over a city and have full control of the city?
We agree on that.

Benton Harbor isn't in this position because it's predominantly black, its in this position because the elected officials in that city were worthless.

There has to be a way for the next level gov't to step in and take over another smaller gov't if the smaller gov't is failing it's citizens and still managing to stay in power.

The part that I think is a concern of Snyder's law is, should an appointed EMF be allowed to do that, or should the Governor (or president if you're talking about the state failing) be the ones that need to do this.

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Benton Harbor isn't in this position because it's predominantly black, its in this position because the elected officials in that city were worthless.

There has to be a way for the next level gov't to step in and take over another smaller gov't if the smaller gov't is failing it's citizens and still managing to stay in power.

The part that I think is a concern of Snyder's law is, should an appointed EMF be allowed to do that, or should the Governor (or president if you're talking about the state failing) be the ones that need to do this.

Then go through the recall process and vote in new officials. This takes any right out of the hands of the citizens. That isn't democracy. The public has zero input on what happens in their city. That is not democracy.

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This is the first I've looked at this thread and, shockingly, Cecil is involved in some type of racial discussion.

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This is the first I've looked at this thread and, shockingly, Cecil is involved in some type of racial discussion.

It was more sarcastic since my new buddy Detroit City is following me around calling me names. Notice how it was him who brought up race?

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Then go through the recall process and vote in new officials. This takes any right out of the hands of the citizens. That isn't democracy. The public has zero input on what happens in their city. That is not democracy.

Actually it's text book democracy. Without higher level involvement, how much longer would slavery had gone on for, what about civil rights? Would there still be segregation in a state or two down south?

The Federal gov't rules supreme and powers are delegated down from there. If a local gov't continues to fail it's citizens regardless if those citizens continually reelect the same officials or are constantly cycling in more for the hope of change, then it's up to the next level to step in on behalf of those citizens.

The only other option is bankruptcy, which simply puts that same control into the hands of the judicial branch.

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Snyder's education reform proposals came out this week. Big fan of some aspects of it, especially the idea of making sure kids are taught how to budget & fiscal responsibility. Also like his plan that we stop rewarding districts based on how many kids attend instead of how many kids learn.

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Are you thinking they will not get the number of signatures in time?

That they might. By the time the vote comes up in November, some of the changes he is implementing will have taken root and people will see it working.

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