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Tigers are being plenty creative. Signing a full-time DH that can double as a backup catcher to open up a roster spot, moving Phil Coke to the rotation, fairly unorthodox moves.

The one thing I like about the Tigers roster right now is that it's highly flexible. They have a lot of versatile pieces in the lineup, and they're in good shape to absorb just about any injury that isn't Cabrera. I don't really want to see them commit to a DH-only bat--especially with Guillen still nominally in the fold--and lose some of that flexibility.

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not sure a year of development as a backup C would kill Avila. Next year you either move forward with him as your C or you sign a new DH or C if necessary. This player could obviously come from within as well

For the record, I'm not a huge fan of the idea, but I do understand how it could be wise for this year. I'd probably rather play Avila for at least half the year. Maybe Boesch can play if Avila can't.

Not aiming this at you ND, but I do find it a bit amusing that at the end of '09, it seemed that AA's anointing as full time catcher and the next big thing was near universal and no-one wanted Laird back, but now that we have seen him for a year, he has made solid progress as a receiver and a hitter, and we have cleared the space for him to play full time, it seems there are actually fewer folks in his corner so to speak. Go figure......

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Not aiming this at you ND, but I do find it a bit amusing that at the end of '09, it seemed that AA's anointing as full time catcher and the next big thing was near universal and no-one wanted Laird back, but now that we have seen him for a year, he has made solid progress as a receiver and a hitter, and we have cleared the space for him to play full time, it seems there are actually fewer folks in his corner so to speak. Go figure......

Well, when you post a .965 OPS in 75 PAs, more people are going to clamor for your continued playing time. You know how much Tigers fans love their tiny sample sizes, no matter how many times those samples are proven to be meaningless.

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Well, when you post a .965 OPS in 75 PAs, more people are going to clamor for your continued playing time. You know how much Tigers fans love their tiny sample sizes, no matter how many times those samples are proven to be meaningless.

exactly. Too few people actually looked under the hood at those stats. If you take off his first dozen or so pre-scouting report PA's (which I think you need to do with every call-up's first numbers), he really was quite unimpressive in '09, while if you take a look a little deeper into the '10 numbers, you see he was pretty solid once he started playing more in August last yr (~750 or so OPS IIRC - not bad for any catcher).

On a related note, this is the only reason I think Rhymes has a shot. He was a rare call-up whose part season numbers weren't skewed up by a hot first week.

EDIT: make that 725 - shouldn't work from memory!

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Tigers are being plenty creative. Signing a full-time DH that can double as a backup catcher to open up a roster spot, moving Phil Coke to the rotation, fairly unorthodox moves.

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I agree. They are being very creative this off-season. I like the Martinez move a lot. I like that they are taking a chance with Coke too, but not really sure how it will work out.

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exactly. Too few people actually looked under the hood at those stats. If you take off his first dozen or so pre-scouting report PA's (which I think you need to do with every call-up's first numbers), he really was quite unimpressive in '09, while if you take a look a little deeper into the '10 numbers, you see he was pretty solid once he started playing more in August last yr (~750 or so OPS IIRC - not bad for any catcher).

On a related note, this is the only reason I think Rhymes has a shot. He was a rare call-up whose part season numbers weren't skewed up by a hot first week.

EDIT: make that 725 - shouldn't work from memory!

Rhymes' numbers were skewed by a hot last two weeks, actually. I don't think he'd be able to sustain a .760 OPS in a meaningful stretch of time. But, I suppose he is more capable of repeating those numbers than Avila was.

I agree. They are being very creative this off-season. I like the Martinez move a lot. I like that they are taking a chance with Coke too, but not really sure how it will work out.

I wanted them to sign Jeff Francis and Adam Dunn. I don't really like creativity.

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I wanted them to sign Jeff Francis and Adam Dunn. I don't really like creativity.

I'm neutral. Creativity can be good and bad. I like that they signed Martinez over Dunn. I would have liked to have seen them sign another starter and leave Coke in the bullpen, but still very interested to see how he does.

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I don't know if most people know that, insofar as there seems to be a fair amount of detailed discussion on the possibility.

There's a lot of detailed discussion on a lot of topics that aren't a possibility. How many line-up discussions are there every year? A lot. And despite the fact we can all argue the virtue of lining them up one way or another, we all know that Leyland is going to fall back to his typical line-up rational.

I think this is the same thing, as evidenced by the number of people who initially scoffed at the idea, and then later in the thread a discussion developed.

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There's a lot of detailed discussion on a lot of topics that aren't a possibility. How many line-up discussions are there every year? A lot. And despite the fact we can all argue the virtue of lining them up one way or another, we all know that Leyland is going to fall back to his typical line-up rational.

I think this is the same thing, as evidenced by the number of people who initially scoffed at the idea, and then later in the thread a discussion developed.

So your point is that I oughtn't offer the opinion that a proposal isn't likely to happen?

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I wanted them to sign Jeff Francis and Adam Dunn. I don't really like creativity.

Francis is a terrible example of avoiding creativity

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Jesus Benke, what else is there to talk about Tigers related?

I'd much rather talk about Brad Penny's Twitter page than talk about this...

That's how little we should be giving this life, which is all we're doing.

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Tigers are being plenty creative. Signing a full-time DH that can double as a backup catcher to open up a roster spot, moving Phil Coke to the rotation, fairly unorthodox moves.

The one thing I like about the Tigers roster right now is that it's highly flexible. They have a lot of versatile pieces in the lineup, and they're in good shape to absorb just about any injury that isn't Cabrera. I don't really want to see them commit to a DH-only bat--especially with Guillen still nominally in the fold--and lose some of that flexibility.

I mostly agree. The one thing that concerns me is the depth of the SP. (From a different thread)

Armando, Miner and Bonine gone. Oliver as our 6th starter. Sure, the 3 guys who are gone weren't very good, but they had ML experience. We can all throw AAA SP names out there, but who knows what they'll do? At least the 3

guys we lost gave us <some> quality innings. It's a long season and we very well may end up needing 7 or 8 SP. If that's the case, we could have a major weakness on our hands. Just my opinion.

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Francis is a terrible example of avoiding creativity

Not really. I don't think there's anything particularly creative about buying low on a #3 lefty starter to be your #4 lefty starter.

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I mostly agree. The one thing that concerns me is the depth of the SP. (From a different thread)

Armando, Miner and Bonine gone. Oliver as our 6th starter. Sure, the 3 guys who are gone weren't very good, but they had ML experience. We can all throw AAA SP names out there, but who knows what they'll do? At least the 3

guys we lost gave us <some> quality innings. It's a long season and we very well may end up needing 7 or 8 SP. If that's the case, we could have a major weakness on our hands. Just my opinion.

That's fair, but the question I would ask if whether some combo of Oliver/Furbush/Weber/Oxspring will be any worse than Bonine/Oliver/Willis/Thomas/etc provided last season? Hopefully we can get at least 150 starts from the first five, leaving only about 12 starts for the "fill-ins". And perhaps I'm wrong but would not be shocked if Turner gets a taste of MLB this September?

Last season the "first five" only provided 144 starts, but remember that both Porcello and Scherzer spent time at AAA and Galarraga only had 24 starts (Willis took 8 of those). So we have subtracted Bonderman, Willis and AG, but added Penny plus Coke, and can likely count on Oliver to fare much better than Dontrelle did. Overall still appears to be an upgrade, barring disaster.

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If we're ignoring the whole lefty thing, we might be able to sign Troy Glaus some time after spring training for a minimal cost.

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If we're ignoring the whole lefty thing, we might be able to sign Troy Glaus some time after spring training for a minimal cost.

If Guillen is healthy, we have 5 LH bat options (Guillen, Avila, Martinez, Santiago, and Boesch). IMO that is enough.

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If Guillen is healthy, we have 5 LH bat options (Guillen, Avila, Martinez, Santiago, and Boesch). IMO that is enough.

Guillen - always hurt

Boesch - may not make the team and if he does will rarely play

Santiago - will rarely play

Victor - switch hitter who has a .981 ops batting RH last 3 years and .756 batting Lh

Avila - who knows what you are going to get

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Guillen - always hurt

Boesch - may not make the team and if he does will rarely play

Santiago - will rarely play

Victor - switch hitter who has a .981 ops batting RH last 3 years and .756 batting Lh

Avila - who knows what you are going to get

Where does Vlad sit on that list? Between Boesch and Santiago?

There are options if the Tigers really want to have a lefty-heavy lineup. Plus both Miggy and Maggs hit very well against righties.

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If Guillen is healthy, we have 5 LH bat options (Guillen, Avila, Martinez, Santiago, and Boesch). IMO that is enough.

Not that I think either is likely, but I would put Thomas's chances of making the team as high as Boesch's.

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Guillen - always hurt

You're confusing "always" with half the time. There's a distinction there that needs to be made. Guillen is going to get some playing time guys.

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