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hate to lose a guy like that, but such is life in college athletics amidst coaching changes.

Exactly. Koger is your starter this year, and hopefully Ricardo can put on the proper weight for next year.

If this means we can take 28, backdate a couple in place of Posada and Barnett, this could be a good thing. If in the end, this means we can take 2 more top tier OL, like Zach Banner and Josh Garnett, I'll take that.

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LGB, this wasnt a RR guy, it was a guy that hoke got to flip from arkansas on signing day.

No, he was first recruited by RR .. was recruited by Hoke after the change, signed/picked UM on signing day.

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Chris Barnett was also linked to some shady recruiting guys, injured in high school, and overweight. He's also a tight end, which means he's a lot more important to Brady Hoke than me. I don't really care about losing him personally, but the attrition overall is reaching Rich Rod proportions, and it's not like he left a deep team with a full allotment of scholarship players. Hoke being able to take 25-26 guys is good, if they end up with 30 scholarships open or something like that it's not good at all.

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Chris Barnett was also linked to some shady recruiting guys, injured in high school, and overweight. He's also a tight end, which means he's a lot more important to Brady Hoke than me. I don't really care about losing him personally, but the attrition overall is reaching Rich Rod proportions, and it's not like he left a deep team with a full allotment of scholarship players. Hoke being able to take 25-26 guys is good, if they end up with 30 scholarships open or something like that it's not good at all.

They might be able to take 28, so not sure how that's a bad thing.

Oh, and the attrition is nowhere near as bad as DickRod, who lost starters - Boren/Mallet. Not the same.

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Barnett never really seemed like a rock solid commit. Too bad, though. Like Benke said, hopefully this helps with a couple of the incomings that may have been facing a number crunch.

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Barnett never really seemed like a rock solid commit. Too bad, though. Like Benke said, hopefully this helps with a couple of the incomings that may have been facing a number crunch.

I didn't say anything when he signed, but I'd heard and read from a couple sources (one pretty darn good) that Barnett was a grade A head-case.

Now attrition is never great, particularly not at a position of need, but this could be addition by subtraction long term.

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Now attrition is never great, particularly not at a position of need...

I agree. Hopefully Ricardo Miller can put on some good weight between now and next season.

this could be addition by subtraction long term.

Great point.

Good to have this happen now, gives the coaches more time to get their recruiting numbers in check.

Some have mentioned going after TE Ron Thompson, but I hope this means we take another OL and DT.

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I didn't say anything when he signed, but I'd heard and read from a couple sources (one pretty darn good) that Barnett was a grade A head-case.

Now attrition is never great, particularly not at a position of need, but this could be addition by subtraction long term.

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Pete Bigelow from College Football News, tweeted this:

"Much like losing out on Terrelle Pryor, losing Chris Barnett, in the long run, will be to the Michigan football team's benefit."

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I don't know what that means, though. I'd never heard these rumors.

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No, he was first recruited by RR .. was recruited by Hoke after the change, signed/picked UM on signing day.

Regardless, he was a Hoke guy whether he was a RR guy at one point or not. He was completely out of the picture, not even a guy we had looked at in quite a while and Hoke went and got him to flip from Arkansas. Clearly who the coach was had nothign to do with him leaving.

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Chris Barnett was also linked to some shady recruiting guys, injured in high school, and overweight. He's also a tight end, which means he's a lot more important to Brady Hoke than me. I don't really care about losing him personally, but the attrition overall is reaching Rich Rod proportions, and it's not like he left a deep team with a full allotment of scholarship players. Hoke being able to take 25-26 guys is good, if they end up with 30 scholarships open or something like that it's not good at all.

Yah it adds up over time. Losing a WR or 2 was expected and Posada is probalby a nothing, but losing 2 DBs and a Te, even though 1 kinda sucked, doesn't help the quality of the roster. Cue Vinopal jokes.

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Wow, this one is shocking ... oh well, he wasn't going to play much this year.

EDIT: they really need to get Ricardo Miller ready for next year, to take over for Koger.

Isn't Miller a bit small to be a TE? At least on a team that is going to have fullback as lead blockers and pulling guards on a regular basis?

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Season opener for 2014 - Appalachian State.

Where at? I only ask because typically when programs of equal stature sign an agreement, a return date is scheduled. Or were you guys fortunate enough to get a 2 for 1?

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Season opener for 2014 - Appalachian State.

Why is that a good idea? Honestly.

You blow them out - great...everyone expects it. It's a close game and UM wins...everyone finds it humorous. UM somehow loses...Ann Arbor will implode. No matter what, it's just going to rehash one of the biggest upsets in CFB history and an extreme embarrassment for UM.

Seriously, what's the logic here?

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Why is that a good idea? Honestly.

You blow them out - great...everyone expects it. It's a close game and UM wins...everyone finds it humorous. UM somehow loses...Ann Arbor will implode. No matter what, it's just going to rehash one of the biggest upsets in CFB history and an extreme embarrassment for UM.

Seriously, what's the logic here?

Its fun.

They get to play a low level team, but will get huge publicity from it.

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Yeah, I think it's kind of cool. App state came in and beat Michigan fair and square. It was a great college football story. I don't have any problem re-living it. It's going to have been seven years since that game. I think most will have gotten over it.

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Why is that a good idea? Honestly.

You blow them out - great...everyone expects it. It's a close game and UM wins...everyone finds it humorous. UM somehow loses...Ann Arbor will implode. No matter what, it's just going to rehash one of the biggest upsets in CFB history and an extreme embarrassment for UM.

Seriously, what's the logic here?

I dont think its a bad idea at all for UM to play App State. If they can't beat them then they have more problems then just the media backlash.

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I don't really care about losing him personally, but the attrition overall is reaching Rich Rod proportions, and it's not like he left a deep team with a full allotment of scholarship players. Hoke being able to take 25-26 guys is good, if they end up with 30 scholarships open or something like that it's not good at all.

I dont see a problem with losing a few people at the bottom of the depth chart. Especially if it helps add a few slots to this great recruiting class we have going. Koger is the man this year and hopefully Miller will be ready to go next year. Nothing to panic about.

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Yeah, I think it's kind of cool. App state came in and beat Michigan fair and square. It was a great college football story. I don't have any problem re-living it. It's going to have been seven years since that game. I think most will have gotten over it.

I was at the game, and just talked to a few of my friends about going back ... it's funny, and worth mocking.

Hey, maybe they'll pull a Central Michigan and beat us again .. who knows.

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Isn't Miller a bit small to be a TE?

Yes, but he'll get a full year to bulk up in order to replace Koger .. no rush.

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Taken from http://mgoblog.com -- Fall Camp 2011: Presser Notes

Greg Mattison

General: Seven left ... Proud of attitude and effort to improve. "Where we are? I don't know ... I see times out there when we're approaching a Michigan defense. And then I don't see it enough times. We gotta see it on a more consistent basis."

Seeing more of what you like? I am seeing more. "What I look at at every single position is technique. I'm seeing great improvement on their technique. I can't accept being a long camp and a lot of hitting, why I get tired and why I don't use my technique. There's going to be games when you're going to be out there more than you have to be. You got to rely on your technique."

Two-deep: "We have not filled out a two-deep. The scrimmage tomorrow, that will be a big key. We're going into our house -- we're going to the Big House -- and if you can't play like you have to play, then you're telling us a lot."

How many guys do you feel comfortable playing? For next weekend, "I hope it's 22." Needs to have 22 capable guys, and have seven more days to get 22. Won't ever be a coach who says we lost a game because a guy got injured.

What are your impressions of Troy Woolfolk? "I'm really, really impressed with a senior -- with a new staff, with a new system -- with a guy that comes out every day and says 'I'm going to do what you tell me to do, I'm going to do it how you tell me to do it, and I'm going to try as hard as I can to do it.' ... I think his technique is improving."

"I don't see any signs of (the ankle injury) at all."

On cornerback competition: "We've got a number of guys still battling for it ... One day you might say, 'this is the guy,' and then he may not be as consistent the next day." Happens to just about everyone. Can't name anyone in particular. Have to wait another week. "They're all in same boat."

On defensive standouts: "A lot of guys, different days." Mike Martin, Troy ... "probably would leave it right there" ... are guys that have more good days than bad. Needs everyone to be consistent all the time. "Those two guys haven't done it everyday, either."

Marvin Robinson and Jake Ryan ... haven't heard about them in a while: "Marvin was a little bit sick, got through that. He's a guy, two days ago, yeah that's how I want you to play." Maybe today too, but hasn't watched film. Jake was out with minor injuries for almost a week, but came back yesterday. "(He) right away had a great hit." He knew what to do when new defenses went in, because "when he came back he didn't miss a beat."

"Our SAMs would also be guys that, in our sub or nickel packages, would be pass rushers." As such, Jake is playing SAM and big part of sub/nickel package.

Josh Furman? He is inconsistent.

Harder than anticipated to improve defense? "No, it's Michigan."

Battle at WILL linebacker: "A young man by the name of Desmond Morgan has shown some great signs." He got little nicked up past couple of days. They do a thing called "production points." "A defensive player can have his technique be perfect every play, but if he doesn't make plays, you're not going to have a great defense."

Gives players points whenever defensive plays are made: interceptions = 10 pts, fumble recoveries = 7. tackles = 3. "Hawthorne was in 10 plays in the live scrimmage, and I think he had 24 or 25 points. So I'm sitting here thinking, 'Wow, we got a guy right here.' And then he twisted his ankle a little bit, but he'll be back."

"Jones showed some great things." Morgan, Hawthorne, and Herron. "All of them had their moments."

"Now who's going to put the moments all together? That's what we've got to figure out."

Demens? Demens has been running with ones, had some good hits, but still not completely consistent.

Scrimmage: "I was pleased early." Got to be consistent. "When you're into your 60th or 65th play, what are you going to be like then? And that was what bothered me: I didn't see them stay the way they started out all the way through."

Is Craig Roh on the D-line? "Craig Roh is a rush. He's a rush outside linebacker for us. Craig, Jibreel Black, and even the young kid Frank Clark. All three of those guys are working hard at that position."

Rapport with Denard: "I got on him today. He didn't play every play of yesterday's practice, and I yelled at him during stretch today: 'Boy, you must be as fresh as a daisy today,' and he gave me something back.' I love him."

The wide receivers are his adopted children. Goes over and talks crap to them every day.

Al Borges

General: "Our practices are not for the faint of heart. We get after them pretty good." It has been a real real grueling training camp. (We want to) see what they're made of when they're tired." But they're going to taper the intensity as gameday approaches.

On Denard: "He's picked it up. What we're trying to do is wean him a little bit. From the pass game perspective, we're not giving him so much that he's overwhelmed. It's what I call a starter set."

Right now this "starter set" of plays is about 65-70% of the SDSU playbook.

"As he feels better about it, we'll feed him a little more, particularly in the pass offense."

Chris Barnett? Talk to the hand. Or Hoke.

Starting RB: "Mike Shaw is definitely one of our ... if we played tomorrow, he'd probably be our starting running back." Has had a "heck of a camp, as has Fitz, and Stephen Hopkins, and Vince Brown" -- oopsies -- "Vince Smith." Smith is doing more situational stuff (aka 3rd down) but can still "run from the home position. We're not eliminating him from the fold that way."

There wasn't a lot of hype on Shaw before camp because of his hand injury. "He was not a participant in a big part of spring football ... I didn't really have a good bead on him other than what he had done before."

Freshmen? "We have two kids that are going to have a great future, but at this point, Justice Hayes is still developmental, and Thomas has had an injury that set him back ... Probably somebody will redshirt, but it's still too early to tell."

Expect to see just Shaw, Fitz, Hopkins, and Smith at this point. Rawls has missed a couple weeks with the injury, but he's back.

O-line: "We feel pretty good about our first five guys, first six guys, maybe even seven guys." It's a chemistry position, and likes the way it's shaking out. Funk is a very good technician. "He coaches them to the bone on the steps and all the things you gotta do to play that position, and they've come around."

Receivers: "I think you're going to see more than Junior and Roy out there." Hemmingway and Roundtree will start outside. Grady has done good job, and so has Gallon. Jeremy Jackson has good range because of his size. "Drew Dileo, he'll go in the middle and catch the ball. He's fearless." Will rotate often to keep players fresh because injuries occur more often when players are tired. WR's run a lot in camp, especially, but will be backing off on them for this last week.

Right tackle battle: "Mark Huyge has been very consistent. Mike Schofield has developed a great deal since spring - athletic, runs well. There will be a role for him, too." Feels good about the position. Good depth.

On Barnum: "Ricky is as athletic as anyone on our line. Ricky is a tough guy." Biggest problem is that he's a little underweight, but he's gotten stronger, doesn't get pushed around, and "looks like a back out there sometimes when he runs."

On scripting opening plays: "In the old days I used to script a lot more." Up to 25 plays, but is doing less these days. Never got to the last 10 plays, so stopped scripting so much. Just wants to call what they practice. "If you practiced it, you should do it in the game, otherwise that's bad economy of offense."

An esteemed Big Ten Network analyst said that Denard is going to be out of the shotgun more. "Dinardo said that, didn't he. Esteemed? Nah ... " JK. "Gerry if you're out there, you know I'm kidding."

"Shotgun is not deuce(?). We're tailoring the gun more to his skills ... We're going to use Denard the way he can best exploit the defense."

Which of his past offenses will this resemble most? "None." Nucleus of offense still same as when he started in 1986. QB skill set still most important aspect, so gotta tailor to that.

Thoughts on giving Devin PT? "I'm not promising anything on that, and if I was I wouldn't tell you anyway."

On last weekend's scrimmage: "Physical nature was good on both sides of the ball." Saw ability to create big plays, but too many self-inflicted wounds. We have to remedy that before we play. "When you're transitioning offenses -- and trust me guys I've done this a bunch, OK? -- you can survive if the damage you do (to yourself) is not excruciating ... you're going to have some pain, but if those aren't things that are catastrophic, you can survive."

Ryan Van Bergen

General: "We've had our ups and down like anybody would in camp." Still striving for consistency. "You probably question your commitment if you're not fully into it in practice. We go full pads every day. We bang everyday."

How much more physical, maybe percentage-wise, are the practices compared with last year? "I don't have the stats in front of me, but statistically ..." Zing. "Offensive line and defensive line, we bang everyday. We probably have periods of five minutes each. We probably have close to ten periods that are full-go offensive line (vs) defensive line, and that's not counting individual periods where the defensive line is servicing the defensive line and we're going against each other. We're very physical." Very.

Are you 5-tech or 3-tech? Currently playing both "depending on situations, who we're playing. Right now I've been repping both of them, and I'm comfortable with both of them. I've played both of them in the past. Fortunately I'm 290 lbs now. The last time I played 3 technique I was 260 and I don't think that went too well. I'm much more comfortable with the weight I'm at."

"I prefer 5-technique because I get to go against my bud back there." (Hi Taylor!) "Me and Taylor, we're real competitive. You know, we're good friends -- best buds. We got rings. It's no big deal."

Does moving people around hurt D-line chemistry it at all? "I can see how that's the perception, but that's not the case at all. The D-line has been together for so long. When you have that many reps with each other, regardless of what positions you're playing, you're still pretty comfortable with each other. Everybody has been together long enough that we feel chemistry regardless of who's in."

On Frank Clark: He's got raw athleticism. He's a fast guy, did track in high school. Coaches have been impressed.

Did you say something about rings? "No, it's just that me and Taylor, we're best buds. We talk about it sometimes."

Taylor Lewan

Personal record between him and RVB? "It was 2-1 (Lewan) before today, and then we did 1-on-1 drills. He beat me today. But a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while, right? So it's all good."

How's the O-line chemistry? Good. Lots of guys competing for positions. Mike Schofield especially. "He's everywhere. Right guard, Right Tackle, left tackle, he's all over the place. It only makes everybody better. He pushes me, he pushes Huyge, he pushes Patrick Omameh, and that's awesome."

On Chris Bryant: "He's shown a lot of improvement. He got his weight down a lot, he's shown a lot of athleticism for a big guy. As far as playing this year, I'm not positive -- I'm not a coach, but I think he's doing some really good things, and I'm excited about his future."

Is this offense as efficient as last year? "We'll get four yards, and that's successful for us. We're much more into nickel and diming it, just moving the ball up and down the field. Controlling the game. That's a big part of us now, and how Michigan has been for a while."

On Barnum: "He's improved so much. He's playing like a redshirt senior." With Schilling gone, Barnum picked it up. NBD.

Molk's leadership? Quiet, sturdy. Like a rock.

Borges' coaching style: "There will be times in practice where he'll get up in our faces and tell us you need to do this this and this. Other times sit back, he'll get up on the thing where you film practice, what's it called?" The lift. "The lift! Thank god, you guys are smarter than me. He'll get up on the lift, and he'll call the play, read the defense, and he'll be out of it." Doing both is good for the offense.

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