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WR Je'Ron Stokes has left the program.

He was a 4* that picked UM over Tennessee after Phil Fulmer was fired.

I'm going to guess that RS freshmen Jerald Robinson passed him on the depth chart ... oh well.

EDIT: and this is from Brian Cook, who was the most fearful of pushing kids out...

Meanwhile, remember those concerns Michigan might have to push some guys out after the season to make room for the horde of new recruits? Yeah… never mind. Michigan's at 23 open slots right now with a few fifth years who are obvious candidates not to return. At this point 27 or 28 is more likely than 26.

The transition has started, and hopefully this class helps quicken the process.

Oh, and here's another one of those stupid videos:)

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Does the (new) APR become a concern at some point?

I think we'll be okay, the coaches said they expected a few kids to leave before the season starts.

EDIT: sounds like they'd need to leave while ineligible to play to take a toll at the APR.

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I think we'll be okay, the coaches said they expected a few kids to leave before the season starts.

EDIT: sounds like they'd need to leave while ineligible to play to take a toll at the APR.

APR takes a larger hit if they leave while ineligible, but leaving early still negatively impacts a teams APR.

It takes a lot of attrition to really push a teams overall APR into the area where punishments occur. Especially in football, because there are just so many players on the team.

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APR takes a larger hit if they leave while ineligible, but leaving early still negatively impacts a teams APR.

It takes a lot of attrition to really push a teams overall APR into the area where punishments occur. Especially in football, because there are just so many players on the team.

I'm not sure how much it negatively affects a teams APR when a good student leaves. According to wiki (take it for what it is worth) they do make some adjustments for those that leave early for professional careers that are in good academic standing, and those who transfer with a high GPA. I'm not sure if the guys who left Michigan meet these qualification or not.

Academic Progress Rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The NCAA does adjust APR, on a student-by-student basis, in two circumstances—when a player transfers to another school with a sufficiently high GPA, or leaves for a professional sports career while still in good academic standing. In the 2010–11 cycle, the NCAA granted nearly 700 APR adjustments in the latter category, out of a total of over 6,400 Division I teams. Nearly half of the adjustments were for baseball players.

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Hard to say on RR and the OL. He had a lot of vets and concentrated on skill players early and then loading up on D. Still, I really like where the OL sits right now as far as the top 7 or 8 and its hard to say also because this was kind of the restocking year and he didn't get to finish the class. Posada, the worst of the group, didn't work out. Oh well.

Still, as of now, I think OL, for this year at the least, appears to be a strength. They say Barnum looks amazing, we have Molk and Lewan of course, Omameh is a pretty damn good G who is only getting better and Schofield and Huyge both look starting caliber at RT supposedly.

edit - and a WR or 2 or 3 were bound to leave the team. Oh well. We look great there.

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APR takes a larger hit if they leave while ineligible, but leaving early still negatively impacts a teams APR.

It takes a lot of attrition to really push a teams overall APR into the area where punishments occur. Especially in football, because there are just so many players on the team.

Is the floor still 925 (which I believe is a 50% grad rate), or was it recently moved to 930? I can't recall, but I do know that for the latest numbers (from '09-'10) Michigan was the only B10 school that fell below the 930 "threshold".

That said, folks need to realize that even the most recent data still covers classes from the '03-'04 entry class. Michigan will have to remain pretty attentive to it's incoming football recruits following the '07-'09 attrition.

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From what I have gathered on the matter, people keep saying the coaches say they'll be fine.

The better question here isn't the APR, it's if UM can now take 27 or even 28 recruits.

EDIT: and I fully expect one of the RBs to leave ... once the depth charts are finalized. We'll see...

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Back to football news -- yay!

From Angelique Chengelis' Twitter feed:

* Hoke asked if he's confident team can run the ball and stop run "jury's still out"

* Hoke says team votes on captains on Sunday

* Hoke on Stokes/Posada -- wishes them well. Sounds like no hard feelings

* Hoke says if played now Brink would start. "you feel him a lot on field"

* Hoke says Shaw has been "most consistent on a daily basis"

* Hoke says Shaw would be lead back and Fitz no 2 if had a game right now

* Hoke on kicking -- Seth and Wile tight race at punter. Brendan kicking best overall and he and Wile competing for FG. Wile on kickoffs

* Hoke on Sat scrimmage: Woolfolk played well. Said Fitz, Vincent, Shaw carried ball well

* Hoke liked practice today "we moved the dial in every area"

From Kyle Meinke's Twitter feed:

* Woolfolk said he's seen some time at nickelback, which means, yes, in certain situations, he has seen time at safety.

* Hoke, on toughness and stopping the run and running the ball, and his team's ability to do it: The jury's still out.

* Hoke: standouts on Saturday were Woolfolk, Herron, Toussaint, V. Smith, M. Shaw.

* Hoke said team will scrimmage again Friday, team will vote on captains Sunday.

8 Desmond Morgan, Mike Jones, Marrell Evans could see time at LB. But Demens is favorite to start. Hoke likes what he's seen.

* Hoke on attrition: It was the right thing for them, and we wish them the best. Said people leave for different reasons, including homesick

* Hoke said starting to run Western Michigan prep tomorrow.

* Offensive line has stood outp Hoke because of chemistry, and WRs. Singled out Gallons.

* Hoke: Wile battling Broekhuizen for punting, will kickoff, battling Gibbons for FGs

* Hoke said Brink would start if season were to start tomorrow.

* Hoke said if RB competition were to end today, Mike Shaw would be lead back because of consistency, improved blocking. Fitz also impressing

* [Hoke] taking stand with new goatee. Because facial hair definitely wins football games.

* Brady Hoke worked closely with the punters early in today's practice.

From Nick Baumbardner's Twitter feed:

* Hoke on expectations: 'we have high expectations, I don't worry about what anyone else thinks.'

* Hoke says team has to 'become finishing team.' Sat scrimmage saw letdown after about 65 plays.

* FWIW, Fitz Toussaint took first snap with No. 1 offense before media was brusquely ushered away from practice.

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Fall Camp 2011: Presser Notes 8-23

Taken from mgoblog.com...

Captains will be voted on Sunday.

Practice #20 done. 11 days out from the first game. Starting scout team work for Western tomorrow. "I thought we moved the dial in every area." Need to improve consistency in competitive drills. Defense good one day, the next day it's the offense. You're neutral as head coach, but you want to see the consistency.

On the scrimmage: "Saturday, I thought we were physical. You could hear football being played." Great competition still going on. Saturday standouts: "I thought Troy played pretty well... Brandon Herron showed some signs that were real positive. Offensively, I thought Fitz [Toussaint] carried the ball well, Vince Smith carried the ball well, Michael Shaw has carried the ball well." It was a 120ish-play scrimmage.

Team needs to work on finishing, but goal line and 2-minutes drill had pretty good tempo and intensity.

On the two deep: Players will become aware of the 2-deep soon, but spots aren't locked in. "You can lose that spot] pretty easily, because we're playing guys who can represent Michigan... They have to meet the expectations for that position every day."

On expectations: "We have high expectations. I really don't care what anybody else thinks." They want to help the kids succeed, both on and off the field. He doesn't worry about managing expectations. Gauging toughness starts during winter conditioning. Build mental toughness by making sure the locker room is disciplined "mentally being tough enough to take care of that locker room."

"I think the jury's still out" no whether the team will be able to run the ball and stop the run to his satisfaction. They have some physical practices upcoming, but will taper that back as the season approaches.

Offense

Are they going to play a second QB in early games? "We haven't really talked about that yet." They may get Devin into early games, to get him experience. It also builds morale to get more guys in earlier.

On running back: Right now, Mike Shaw would be the starter. Toussaint has done good things, Hopkins was better today. "Vincent is a guy on third downs who can do an awful lot. He is a tough, tough guy." Shaw: "He's been more consistent on a daily basis. That's what he really shows the most."

Impressive position groups: The first five on the OL have good chemistry, and they play with good tempo. "Our wide receivers, I think they keep... Jeremy Gallon's a guy we think has done a pretty good job."

On OL depth: "Darrell's got six guys right now that can roll through, I think we're building the seventh." You want five top guys, then develop the young guys behind them as fast as you can. "I think Friday we'll get after it pretty good scrimmage-wise," putting together a couple different lineups.

Defense

On Brink: "If we play tomorrow, he'd be the starting 5-technique defensive end." He has great technique, and has to be because he's a little small. "You feel him a lot out on the field."

On the rest of the DL: "Will [Campbell] can play both the three and the 1, Heininger can play all three, and has." You want guys to settle into a comfortable position, but you also want versatility in their positions, so you have flexibility. "Will [Heininger] has the intelligence to do that, because of those different things."

On linebackers: "I think Desmond Morgan's a guy who we think is gonna play football for us. Mike Jones has played a little bit at MIKE and a little bit at WILL. I would say Kenny right now has a pretty solid lock on the Mike linebacker. Cam is doing a good job. Jake Ryan and Brennen Beyer... All three of those guys are getting snaps." Desmond Morgan was limited today, but will be good. Brandin Hawthorne will be a good player.

On the secondary: "I can tell you that between Troy, JT Floyd, and Courtney Avery, there's tremendous competition." JT and Avery competing at one corner. "TI think Thomas Gordan has had a really good camp... I think Kovacs has done a really nice job." He's smart, understands the concepts, helps be a QB of the D. Carvin Johnson also good. "Three safeties and three corners right now that we have good competition with." Those guys are all on the field in the dime package.

Special Teams

On Matt Wile: "I think right now we're looking really at between him and Seth punting, and him doing the kickoffs, and between him and Brendan handling the field goals." They'll kick in the stadium Friday, Saturday, and know what they want by Sunday. Brendan Gibbons is kicking the best overall from distance.

On attrition: "It was the right thing for them and what they felt... Sometimes, kids move on for different reasons. Homesick, or whatever it might be." Too early to think if it will affect 2012 recruiting class.

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O-Line wise, I think Lewan is an all american caliber player going forward, Omameh an all big 10 type, and Schofield and Barnum will probably be at the least solid starters. That might not be the case, but O-Line is one of the only positions (besides QB of course) that I have a lot confidence in this year.

I hope Stokes or Posada or someone claims they had to leave due to the disappearance of the Michigan family atmosphere under Hoke

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Posada is said to have been homesick, so maybe Hoke just wasn't giving off a strong family vibe?

All jokes aside, I have heard nothing but great things about Hoke's family values, from players/recruits.

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I hope Stokes or Posada or someone claims they had to leave due to the disappearance of the Michigan family atmosphere under Hoke

That would be funny, but probably more about the depth chart than anything else. Playing time normally cures the "homesick" problem.

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Posada is said to have been homesick, so maybe Hoke just wasn't giving off a strong family vibe?

At least he didn't let it affect his appetite...Sorry, I forgot it was all jokes aside.

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Homesickness becoming contagious...now of the 4 star variety

Chris Barnett - Yahoo! Sports

Wow, this one is shocking ... oh well, he wasn't going to play much this year.

EDIT: they really need to get Ricardo Miller ready for next year, to take over for Koger.

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Well, keep the decommits coming. More scholarships for Hoke to work with.

I'm okay with losing 3* guys that weren't going to play much in order to add more top guys in the '12 class.

Jarrod Wilson said a few times that he wanted to enroll early, so we'll need a couple more to do so.

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Gotta believe the combination of Barnett being a RR guy and the recruitment of two TE's by Hoke this season led to Barnett bolting.

hate to lose a guy like that, but such is life in college athletics amidst coaching changes.

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