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I'd like to know this too seeing that my Dad and I disagree in grading his performance this season.

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The NFL has to have the most useless published stats of any major sport. Almost all of the stats, even the rate stats, are situationally dependent.

The only one that I think is really indicative of individual player ability is yds/att for QBs, and by extension, completion pct.

All of the rest are basically team stats superimposed incidentally on an individual player.

Now I'm sure that the teams keep some more useful stats on their own, but even then, most defensive players should be rated in the context of their player units (DL, LB, DB) and schemes rather than the individual stats.

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The NFL has to have the most useless published stats of any major sport. Almost all of the stats, even the rate stats, are situationally dependent.

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All of the rest are basically team stats superimposed incidentally on an individual player.

Unlike baseball, I don't know that you really can break down stats on an individual level well in football. Really it's just so team dependent that it's hard to figure out a single players stats.

As you mentioned, QB stat *might* be the exception, but even there having great receivers will skew that. YAC will skew it. Having a dominating running game will skew it.

I don't think any one would question that having Peyton Manning throwing to you will give you better receiving stats than having Joey Harrington. A top flight receiver with a lousy QB isn't going to look much different than a lousy WR with a top flight QB (expect maybe drops... but even there, drops are subjective and while mostly on the WR, the QB does bear some responsibility as well).

As for CBs, how do you measure them?

Tackles? But a great CB might knock away a bunch of passes and therefore have fewer tackles than the CB who can't stop the pass, but at least makes the tackle after the catch. More tackles might mean a less skilled CB. Or tackles might come from a CB who quickly reads a running play and is able to get in the mix for that, making him a better CB.

Passes Defended? Seems like a good stat, but I suspect that Revis has a relatively low passes defended number because QBs just don't throw his way that much.

I *guess* the best way to judge a CB would be to look at the number of catches he allowed and the yards he allowed after the catch. Sort of the anti-receiver. Where as a receiver wants more catches and yards, a CB will be better if he has few catches allowed and yards allowed. But again, there going to be some subjectivity here... in a zone, when does the receiver become your responsibility vs. someone else? What about a blown coverage issues, who's fault is the wide open guy? This also doesn't take into account how good a CB is against the run.

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Pro Football Focus has great metrics, they're premium now too. I have access so if you have a specific question, I can answer it.

He wants to know how Chris Houston "stacked up".

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