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The league office would veto that trade for being so ridiculously one-sided.

They never vetoed what Randy Smith did so this one should be fine by league standards. If you can trade half of your team for Juan Gonzalez, then this is an acceptable proposition too.

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You guys do remember that the Braves got Uggla for next to nothing right? It's really about who wants him.

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You guys do remember that the Braves got Uggla for next to nothing right? It's really about who wants him.

That wasn't next to nothing, and it was one year of Uggla.

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How about trading for Wandy Rodriguez? Astros GM Ed Wade isn't really the smartest guy so it's not like we'll have to drain the farm.

Boesch, Kelly, and Galarraga for him? Possibly Sizemore or Worth?

if i ever suggest that someone would care enough about don kelly to trade for him (let alone a player of some value), please send my home address to casper well's dad.

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That wasn't next to nothing, and it was one year of Uggla.

Wandy and Uggla are both on the last year of arbitration and will be FA in 2012. So, it could very easily be for one year of Wandy also. That being said, I still don't think we could ever get him for that price.

I could see something more along the lines of Oliver and Raburn with someone else thrown in.

Houston seems to need a 1B desperately...Raburn could be a 4th OF/1B.

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How about trading for Wandy Rodriguez? Astros GM Ed Wade isn't really the smartest guy so it's not like we'll have to drain the farm.

Boesch, Kelly, and Galarraga for him? Possibly Sizemore or Worth?

Lol,Kelly and AG are basically zero value. Boesch,Oliver,Furbush might get it done.

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I'd offer Galarraga straight up for Edwin Jackson.

Ozzie could get a Venezuelan compadre to call all his own.

I'm sure Kenny would do that for us... give us the better pitcher (and draft picks when he leaves as a FA...), save money, and give Ozzie someone to scream at...

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With the everyday line up set for opening day 2010, what trading chips do we have left and who could we legitimately go after as a 3/4 type starter?

I agree we need an upgrade, but, now have time to sit back, be patient and see what transpires

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That wasn't next to nothing, and it was one year of Uggla.

It was for Omar Infante, and it'd only be one year of Wandy as well.

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How about trading for Wandy Rodriguez? Astros GM Ed Wade isn't really the smartest guy so it's not like we'll have to drain the farm.

Boesch, Kelly, and Galarraga for him? Possibly Sizemore or Worth?

I think we should pitch it to Wade just like this. "So I hear you're not too smart, how about this deal?"

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Would everyone be opposed to bringing Bonderman back?

I would be. I wish him the best of luck but he doesn't fit on the staff.

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Would everyone be opposed to bringing Bonderman back?

don't see much point unless there is some reason to believe he can throw better now than last yr. It's always possible, how many off yrs did Pavanno have before putting it back together? But he's got to be pretty low on the list.

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Nolasco's on the market. If I'm DD, I'm blowing up my phone over him or Fausto.

The question is, is could we possibly get a Nolasco type without giving up Turner or Porcello? If we could get him for a package with Oliver or Perry as the cornerstone I would be all for it.

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I was asking what sucks about the Tigers offseason so far. They have signed two top players, a lot has been happening for the Tigers so far.

* - They gave the richest non-closer relief contract in four years to a pitcher coming off of a career year who began to openly admit that his shoulder wasn't right in a season that followed shoulder surgery. Said relief pitcher also has had a career besieged with injuries, is in his mid-30s, and has never had a season remotely similar to the aforementioned career year in his entire career. An utterly ridiculous contract that was written in such a way as to make me believe that Dave Dombrowski watched all the contracts come off of the books at the end of 2010 and realized "Oh man, Carlos Guillen is my only bad contract left, I can't just have one!"

* - They brought back a 34 year old 3B who has had knee trouble and whose value is primarily wrapped in his defense --- Which has declined in three of the last four seasons to the point of barely being above average --- To be their starting third baseman. Meanwhile, awash with cash, they didn't even get in on the 20th best position player in the MLB over the last five years --- Who also happens to be younger and a better defender and a free agent and plays the same position. Mark Reynolds also was available for low trade cost and is also a younger player who is at least an equal player if he repeats his awful 2010 and potentially a better player if he bounces back. Potential more likely to be realized based on his age.

* - They brought back a decent third baseman to be their shortstop statue while Tampa made Jason Bartlett available (to be fair, Detroit couldn't have matched San Diego's offer) and Minnesota gave Hardy away (again to give Detroit benefit of doubt, who knows if MIN would've traded within the division) for slightly more than the price that we paid to get Aubrey Huff.

* - They have yet to address their rotation (though there are still months to go and they have been attached to Brad Penny in rumors, which would be a good move), which only has two players penciled in that I can feel confident will be "good" or better and a third (Porcello) that I'm confident will be "alright". I'm okay with the Coke experiment (and actually advocated it last year), but it is by no means an experiment destined to success. Phil Coke should be the biggest question mark in the rotation, not the second biggest as the case currently stands.

* - They are still one bat short. They needed two entering the off-season, three if Ordonez left. Martinez was one. One is not enough. Again, this could've been fixed by upgrading at 3B, which would've been the most painless fix, where the potential options were decent to great fits, and where there isn't a already player on the 40-man roster that carries an reasonable "dream" factor (i.e. Sizemore, Avila, Raburn, Porcello --- All players that theoretically can put it together and make VERY strong contributions. Will they? We dream. Reasonably.).

As far as I'm concerned, the best thing that has happened for the Tigers this off-season is that Bill Smith has apparently lost his mind. I don't think the Tigers look much better next year on paper, and the only way I can see them looking much better on the field is if young players who have performed in the minors or have strong pedigrees or Raburn in extended playing time can perform at the Major League level in 2011 (Basically all the players I've noted with the dream factor, plus Casper Wells). That said, the Twins look MARKEDLY worse and don't seem to be poised to get any better. That's been the best part of the Tigers off-season to me, that the Twins off-season has been atrocious. It's certainly possible that all of those players do simultaneously take a step forward, but as an observer/fan in the off-season who patiently and optimistically allowed the Tigers to sell me that "Player X stepping up or recovering from injury is what will propel us to the top" the last two years while they've put up seasons of 86 and 81 wins, my temperament is no longer well suited to playing this game again.

On the flip side, the last time I felt this negatively about a Tigers off-season was the only time in my adult life they made the playoffs, so perhaps being on the wrong side of my attitude is what it takes to make the post-season.

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On the flip side, the last time I felt this negatively about a Tigers off-season was the only time in my adult life they made the playoffs, so perhaps being on the wrong side of my attitude is what it takes to make the post-season.

Of course, that team also received MAJOR contributions from two players who'd performed in the minors but never in the majors and went virtually injury free. The first is a caveat I mentioned in the previous post as a way I could see the Tigers being very strong, and the second pretty much goes without saying as being impactful.

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I am normally very optimistic about the Tigers but I can't be so far this offseason. I think the addition of Martinez will give the offense a good boost but the pitching is very suspect. We're counting on the same players playing better than they did last season.

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IMHO, the Tigs should try to get a low risk/ 'potential' high reward type of SP. Someone like B.Webb, B.Penny, etc. (not sure about Bondo - but maybe). Now that Zach is off the market this would make sense (although Caromna would be interesting as well).

I feel they need to add one more potential SP. Depth is also of some concern

as 'every' team loses several P's at one point for some period of time during a season. Hopefully DD is looking into this.

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if i ever suggest that someone would care enough about don kelly to trade for him (let alone a player of some value), please send my home address to casper well's dad.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

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