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I heard somewhere that the Phillies might want to trim salary a bit because of the Lee signing. Raul Ibanez would be a nice pickup if the price wasn't too high.

The Phils have Domonic Brown waiting in the wings, so they may be willing to part with Ibanez. He's up there in age, but I'd rather have him than Magglio. Or maybe the Phils would give up Shane Victorino. He's not a superstar, but he's not yet 30 and is more than decent.

Plus it would reunite the epic "Bran-Torino" pair, who could wind up supplanting Trammell and Whitaker as the Tigers' all-time Glimmer Twins.

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Some of the trades the Tigers have made were total surprises and came out of thin air.

I know there was a rumor Granderson would be shopped, but many of us were still surprised when the trade went down. As for what we received? I think it was a total surprise and nobody had a clue until it was announced.

Same with the Cabrera trade. It came lightning fast and included what many of us thought were untouchable prospects in Maybin and Miller.

I'm not sure what's going to happen, IF anything does. But I did hear DD in an interview last year explaining why the Tigers draft so many pitchers. He basically said a good pitching prospect can fill many holes because good pitching is at a premium.

Oliver probably has the most value as of right now out of our prospects. It would be sweet if we could land a GOOD LF and maybe a ML relief pitcher for him. Or a solid LF and 2nd baseman. With maybe a RP thrown in.

With that being said, I think any trade that comes down is going to be a surprise to many of us. We really need a LF, RF, SP, RP and a 2nd baseman. Sign Maggs and RF is taken care of, IF he's healthy. We could probably get by without adding to the BP, so I would say a LF, SP and 2nd baseman are the priorities. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see. IF the Tigers make any trades, I think it will be a surprise move that none of us saw coming.

I think you're right on all counts.

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Beltre on a 1 yr + option yr deal, doesn't cost any players in trade and if he walks after the first or even second year, Tigers likely get a couple of draft picks.
He'll demand at least five years, and get it I would think.

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I heard somewhere that the Phillies might want to trim salary a bit because of the Lee signing. Raul Ibanez would be a nice pickup if the price wasn't too high.

The Phils have Domonic Brown waiting in the wings, so they may be willing to part with Ibanez. He's up there in age, but I'd rather have him than Magglio. Or maybe the Phils would give up Shane Victorino. He's not a superstar, but he's not yet 30 and is more than decent.

Plus it would reunite the epic "Bran-Torino" pair, who could wind up supplanting Trammell and Whitaker as the Tigers' all-time Glimmer Twins.

I would think Brown would take Jayson Werth's spot though?

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I heard somewhere that the Phillies might want to trim salary a bit because of the Lee signing. Raul Ibanez would be a nice pickup if the price wasn't too high.

The Phils have Domonic Brown waiting in the wings, so they may be willing to part with Ibanez. He's up there in age, but I'd rather have him than Magglio. Or maybe the Phils would give up Shane Victorino. He's not a superstar, but he's not yet 30 and is more than decent.

Plus it would reunite the epic "Bran-Torino" pair, who could wind up supplanting Trammell and Whitaker as the Tigers' all-time Glimmer Twins.

Ibanez over Maggs? No F'in way! Not as good a hitter and a MUCH worse fielder. Probably cost Philly their playoff series with 3-5 plays.

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I'd be surprised if we made a move in the rotation. I think Verlander/Scherzer/Porcello/Coke/Galarraga looks like a set rotation to them. If Porcello moves forward as they expect and Coke pitches league average out of the 4 slot, that's a pretty good front four. Galarraga could be beaten out of the 5 job in spring, but settling him there will be the worst case scenario, I think, and he shouldn't be the worst #5 in the league I think the pen is really pretty strong and pretty deep, with only some last minute tinkering on the fringes left.

As for the lineup: I'm not sure they're going to do much more. The starting infield is set, and it looks like a break-even WAR offense there in Guillen/Peralta/Inge. Cabrera and Martinez will obviously mash out of their slots. I think they are banking on age-appropriate progress from Avila and Jackson. The only practical moves left are in the corner outfield slots, and I think the one move is signing Maggs, plunking him into right, and keeping our fingers crossed for something better than the bottom third in defense out of that position while he clocks the ball at a 120 or better OPS+ clip. I think LF goes to Raburn unless he plays himself out of it in spring. As for bench, we have known quantities in two out of Rhymes/Sizemore/Santiago/Worth inside and one or two out of Boesch/Kelly/Wells outside. If anyone gets hurts, they simply make a call down I-75 for replacements.

It looks like they're banking on above average pitching and hoping for some career years at the plate in order to contend this year.

Folks, once Ordonez is inked, I think we have our 2011 Detroit Tigers pretty much set. Please pass the egg nog, and make it a double.

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Folks, once Ordonez is inked, I think we have our 2011 Detroit Tigers pretty much set. Please pass the egg nog, and make it a double.

I disagree. Not that I think there will be big moves (after hopefully Maggs signs) but I can't see DD letting lack of depth take this team out of contention again this year. As opposed to your opinion, I'd be surprised if Armando was in the starting roation to begin the season. Also, they need to make their bench deeper by signing a Fred Lewis type player.

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I still want Choo and another SP.

but I really wish we had any inkling that the Tigers were gonna get aggressive with trades now, but we've got nothing. No rumors, no obvious picks...

once again. this sucks.

What sucks? The Tigers signed two top flight free agents. what sucks about that?

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Chas: In other words, a 3rd place team.

Exactly-- and I can't see the organization accepting to have basically, an etched in pen 3rd place finish team, before the season starts. It's looking like January will be a busy month for many MLB teams and players.

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Looks like Willingham is about to get crossed off the possibility list. Oakland is having a nice offseason so far.

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According to Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com, the Athletics are in "serious discussions" with the Nationals about a trade for Josh Willingham.

Willingham, who turns 32 in February, would play left field and join David DeJesus and Hideki Matsui as new additions to Oakland's lineup. He batted .268/.389/.459 with 16 home runs, 56 RBI and an 848 OPS this past season before undergoing left knee surgery in August. Willingham is arbitration-eligible for the final time this winter and will see a raise from the $4.6 million salary he made in 2010. According to Rosenthal, the Nationals would receive two prospects in return.

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What sucks? The Tigers signed two top flight free agents. what sucks about that?

the lack of current rumors/news/excitement sucks - that's pretty obvious.

I never offered my opinion on what I thought of the Tigers' first two signings, but thank you for assuming that I did.

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Well, Willingham would have been a ncie backup option, but with MAggs in town, that was out the door. Good for Oakland though, they may be competitive this year.

I think we will still make another move, but hard to say. Hopefully they at least kick the tires on Shields and Blanton, maybe even Garza. If not that, then at least a Francis/WAshburn/Chen/Webb/Duscherer type gamble for depth.

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the lack of current rumors/news/excitement sucks - that's pretty obvious.

I never offered my opinion on what I thought of the Tigers' first two signings, but thank you for assuming that I did.

I didn't assume you offered your opinion, I was asking what sucks about the Tigers offseason so far. They have signed two top players, a lot has been happening for the Tigers so far.

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I disagree. Not that I think there will be big moves (after hopefully Maggs signs) but I can't see DD letting lack of depth take this team out of contention again this year. As opposed to your opinion, I'd be surprised if Armando was in the starting roation to begin the season. Also, they need to make their bench deeper by signing a Fred Lewis type player.

They may not see this as being lack of depth. They might honestly believe Will Rhymes, Scott Sozemore, Ryan Raburn and Brennan Boesch will make fine major leagues. Maybe they're right.

Third place? Maybe, but if everything breaks the right way, they could contend. But I think everything would have to break the right way.

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At some point you have to give the homegrown guys a shot. It's the only way you'll fill out a roster and make the budget balance. Sizemore and Raburn(and Coke should probalby be listed too) have done as much as they can to show that they deserve a shot. We have no idea whether they'll make legit ML regulars, but it's time to find out.

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I do think Sizemore will get the job done, if/when Guillen gets injured. And Raburn has done more than enough to earn a shot at the LF job full-time. I'd feel a lot better about this team if DD could add one more decent starting pitcher, though.

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I do think Sizemore will get the job done, if/when Guillen gets injured. And Raburn has done more than enough to earn a shot at the LF job full-time. I'd feel a lot better about this team if DD could add one more decent starting pitcher, though.

I agree Yoop. While I'm hoping DD still has something up his sleeve for the starting pitching, the postion player half of this team just seems to fit together so much better than last year's did going into spring training. Less in the way of 'black holes', more flexibility, more potential depth in case the Plan 'A's don't pan out - especially if Clete Thomas can stay healthy and Rhymes was not a complete fluke.

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How about trading for Wandy Rodriguez? Astros GM Ed Wade isn't really the smartest guy so it's not like we'll have to drain the farm.

Boesch, Kelly, and Galarraga for him? Possibly Sizemore or Worth?

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I agree Yoop. While I'm hoping DD still has something up his sleeve for the starting pitching, the postion player half of this team just seems to fit together so much better than last year's did going into spring training. Less in the way of 'black holes', more flexibility, more potential depth in case the Plan 'A's don't pan out - especially if Clete Thomas can stay healthy and Rhymes was not a complete fluke.
Despite my pining for Adam Dunn, I really do like the Martinez pickup. He'll be an upgrade at DH over what we've had to use there (since Dmitri?) and he saves us a bench spot to boot.

C: Avila, Martinez

INF: Cabrera, Guillen, Peralta, Inge, Santiago, Sizemore?

OF: Ordonez, Jackson, Raburn, Wells?, Kelly?

Doubt Rhymes makes the 25-man, and Boesch could use more AAA time.

Clete Thomas would be a dark horse, coming off the knee issues.

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How about trading for Wandy Rodriguez? Astros GM Ed Wade isn't really the smartest guy so it's not like we'll have to drain the farm.

Boesch, Kelly, and Galarraga for him? Possibly Sizemore or Worth?

sooo a guy who hit like .126 in the second half, a career minor leaguer, and one of the 5 worst starters in baseball for their best pitcher. yeah, sounds great!

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sooo a guy who hit like .126 in the second half, a career minor leaguer, and one of the 5 worst starters in baseball for their best pitcher. yeah, sounds great!

Boesch showed what he can do and I think the Astros would be willing to bite hoping they can get that. The Astros are rebuilding and Kelly had a pretty good 2010. Galarraga is just a dump really. Then throw in our best second base prospect and/or a shortstop that has shown he's pretty good.

You also have to remember that this is the last year on Wandy's contract and he's due a raise from the $5MM he made last year and he'll want a bigger contract and I doubt the Astros are going to want to pay much on a 32 year old pitcher

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How about trading for Wandy Rodriguez? Astros GM Ed Wade isn't really the smartest guy so it's not like we'll have to drain the farm.

Boesch, Kelly, and Galarraga for him? Possibly Sizemore or Worth?

At some point you have to ask yourself: "Can other teams match this offer?" When the answer is probably yes for 29 other teams, then it might not work.

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Boesch showed what he can do and I think the Astros would be willing to bite hoping they can get that. The Astros are rebuilding and Kelly had a pretty good 2010. Galarraga is just a dump really. Then throw in our best second base prospect and/or a shortstop that has shown he's pretty good.

You also have to remember that this is the last year on Wandy's contract and he's due a raise from the $5MM he made last year and he'll want a bigger contract and I doubt the Astros are going to want to pay much on a 32 year old pitcher

Trades usually have more to do with outbidding every other team (and let's face it, everyone needs starting pitching), rather than simply justifying to yourself why Houston would want a bunch of garbage players. You have to outbid everyone else. That's the key.

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How about trading for Wandy Rodriguez? Astros GM Ed Wade isn't really the smartest guy so it's not like we'll have to drain the farm.

Boesch, Kelly, and Galarraga for him? Possibly Sizemore or Worth?

The league office would veto that trade for being so ridiculously one-sided.

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