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We've talked about this over and over, but I'm curious to see who's left and if the Tigers will make a trade or do something else before the season starts. What teams are willing to make a move? Who's still left in the free agent market? What will the Tigers do before the season starts? What are your thoughts? What have you been hearing?

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Looks like Carmona may be available.

Carmona just turned 27 last week and he's under contract for the next 4 years - that's a really nice combination. It's an interesting contract: 2011 is guaranteed but the next 3 years are all club options.

If the Tigers aren't going to add a solid #3-type starter, I wish they'd at least do some shopping in the low cost rehab aisle. The A's have now signed McCarthy and Harden for a combined $2.5 million base. Neither may pan out, but that's a pretty moderate investment if even just one of them does.

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Wow, I wonder how the Tigers could make some kind of swap for Carmona and Choo?

I'd be ok with trading away one of our prize pitching chips like Oliver and say, Sizemore.

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.....sick of the cat references, talk about a waste of time and bandwidth, sheesh.:ponder:

>:(

I wouldn't say no to Carmona/Choo. Wonder who it would cost, though.

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Let's say we sign Maggs. Who are your top 5 most desired targets for one last move?

I have no idea who is available in trades, but a starting pitcher would be nice...

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Let's say we sign Maggs. Who are your top 5 most desired targets for one last move?

I've really warmed to the idea of Blanton, especially since this might be a case were DD can get creative and swing some kind of 3 way where we spend only money (which in the end is what Philly wants - salary relief - and which we have) instead of prospects - which have to few of for me to be happy about giving up.

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I still want Choo and another SP.

but I really wish we had any inkling that the Tigers were gonna get aggressive with trades now, but we've got nothing. No rumors, no obvious picks...

once again. this sucks.

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I still want Choo and another SP.

but I really wish we had any inkling that the Tigers were gonna get aggressive with trades now, but we've got nothing. No rumors, no obvious picks...

once again. this sucks.

let's hope it's just the calm before the storm.

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It would be great if Cleveland could be persuaded to part with Choo - but I think the price would be pretty high. Certainly they would want Turner, and maybe we could offer Raburn who I don't think will ever get a chance to play full time with Detroit. I like Raburn, but with an outfield of Choo, Jackson, and Ordonez (when he's not DH'ing) would be pretty great.

And I think that Cleveland would be hesitant to bring on another Curse Of Colavito type deal, even though it could benefit both sides. I wonder if Boras 'owes' the Tigers in some way to help bring about a deal?

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It would be great if Cleveland could be persuaded to part with Choo - but I think the price would be pretty high. Certainly they would want Turner, and maybe we could offer Raburn who I don't think will ever get a chance to play full time with Detroit. I like Raburn, but with an outfield of Choo, Jackson, and Ordonez (when he's not DH'ing) would be pretty great.

And I think that Cleveland would be hesitant to bring on another Curse Of Colavito type deal, even though it could benefit both sides. I wonder if Boras 'owes' the Tigers in some way to help bring about a deal?

Why would Raburn have any value? He's older and closer to free agency!

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Let's say we sign Maggs. Who are your top 5 most desired targets for one last move?
Off the top of my head: Brandon Webb, James Shields, Matt Garza, Carl Pavano,

Adrian Beltre (which won't happen). In my dreams, Mr. Choo

Edited by DaYooperASBDT

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I'd like to see Carmona in the rotation. He's got problems, but he's also durable and probably won't get killed.

I think the rotation needs an upgrade somewhere to generate some depth in case of injury. Blanton or Carmona would fulfill that: 200 innings of league average ball. Carmona has more upside, but Blanton is steadier. Either would be fine by me.

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Beltre on a 1 yr + option yr deal, doesn't cost any players in trade and if he walks after the first or even second year, Tigers likely get a couple of draft picks.

Edited by downinthezone

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We've talked about this over and over, but I'm curious to see who's left and if the Tigers will make a trade or do something else before the season starts.

Well, we've still got the Ordonez signing to look forward to. I think that's a matter of "when", not "if".

Sure, things could still be done before the season starts. Looking at the '10 Tigers, Valverde wasn't signed until January 19th. Damon wasn't signed until February 22nd. (2010 Detroit Tigers Trades and Transactions - Baseball-Reference.com)

Important pieces of the puzzle could also be added during Spring Training orn near the end of ST. I'm thinking of the March '84 deal that landed Hernandez and Bergman, but can't off the top of my head think of a good recent example.

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Wow, I wonder how the Tigers could make some kind of swap for Carmona and Choo?

I'd be ok with trading away one of our prize pitching chips like Oliver and say, Sizemore.

The fact that you think we could get the two for Oliver and sizemore ( Unless you were sarcastic ), Is amusing. It would be more along the lines of Turner,Sizemore,Boesch, and another decent prospect. If you were trading with any other team, you'd have to go a bit higher. But you cant forget, Cleavlands front office is stupid.

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1. Tigers have limited prospects to offer in a trade scenario this off-season. If you're talking a front-line player (position or pitcher), Tigers can probably scrape together enough for one decent trade. (But even then, do they want to give up Turner or Oliver in addition to players who could be about to establish themselves at the MLB level and be low-cost roster members for a few/several more years.)

2. While the Tigers need to re-stock their farm system, losing their 1st round pick this off-season means it's going to be difficult to do it in the upcoming draft. Signing another Type A free agent this off-season would cost them their 2nd round pick; but at this point that is only the difference between making their first selection 72nd and 102nd overall. [Tigers really should've lost that last game].

Tigers need, ideally, 2 more bats and 2 more arms.

1. Re-sign Maggs. No players lost in trade.

2. Offer Boras to sign Beltre to a 1 yr + option yr deal like the Red Sox gave him last off-season. How much that year and the option year would cost would likely depend on what kind of option the 2nd yr would be (player only? team only? mutual? performance based?). Beltre gets $13-$15 mil for 2011 with a chance to bat in the lineup with his former teammate V-mart as well as Cabrera and Maggs and then Beltre hits the mkt again next off-season when Cubs/Braves/Jays/A's/Angels/White Sox et al are (still?) in the mkt for a 3B.

Again, no players lost in trade and it's highly likely the Tigers get 2 draft picks if/when Beltre moves on.

3. swoop in an grab a potential project SP / possible middle reliever like Justin Duchscherer Rumors: MLB Rumors - MLBTradeRumors.com --again, no players traded, no prospects lost.

4. Leverage whatever expendable players/prospects the Tigers have to trade for another solid starting pitcher (Maybe talk to the Cubs or Phillies or whomever).

AJAX

MAGGS

CABRERA

V-MART

BELTRE

RABURN

PERALTA

SIZEMORE

AVILA

Or move Raburn or Sizemore into the 2 hole. Beltre did most of his damage batting 6th or even 7th in Boston's lineup last season:

AJAX

RABURN/SIZEMORE

MAGGS

CABRERA

V-MART

BELTRE

[RABURN (if SIZEMORE bats 2nd)]

PERALTA

[sizeMORE (if RABURN bats 2nd)]

AVILA

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Some of the trades the Tigers have made were total surprises and came out of thin air.

I know there was a rumor Granderson would be shopped, but many of us were still surprised when the trade went down. As for what we received? I think it was a total surprise and nobody had a clue until it was announced.

Same with the Cabrera trade. It came lightning fast and included what many of us thought were untouchable prospects in Maybin and Miller.

I'm not sure what's going to happen, IF anything does. But I did hear DD in an interview last year explaining why the Tigers draft so many pitchers. He basically said a good pitching prospect can fill many holes because good pitching is at a premium.

Oliver probably has the most value as of right now out of our prospects. It would be sweet if we could land a GOOD LF and maybe a ML relief pitcher for him. Or a solid LF and 2nd baseman. With maybe a RP thrown in.

With that being said, I think any trade that comes down is going to be a surprise to many of us. We really need a LF, RF, SP, RP and a 2nd baseman. Sign Maggs and RF is taken care of, IF he's healthy. We could probably get by without adding to the BP, so I would say a LF, SP and 2nd baseman are the priorities. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see. IF the Tigers make any trades, I think it will be a surprise move that none of us saw coming.

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I'd like to see Carmona in the rotation. He's got problems, but he's also durable and probably won't get killed.

I think the rotation needs an upgrade somewhere to generate some depth in case of injury. Blanton or Carmona would fulfill that: 200 innings of league average ball. Carmona has more upside, but Blanton is steadier. Either would be fine by me.

I'm more of a Blanton guy given the stability that he provides, as you stated. Carmona has a very erratic W-L record and ERA. His high's are greater but his low's are as well. I don't value Carmona statistically much more than Galaraga. I'd pass on him given his erratic stat chart.

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