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I admittedly haven't taken the time to read every bit of this thread, though I have popped in and perused from time to time. That said, I've adopted what I consider a pretty positive policy in dealing with those asking for money on the street.

Throughout Boston and Cambridge, as I'm sure is the case in many other areas, its common for people to sit outside convenience stores, CVS, Rite Aid, Walgreens, and other places of this ilk, and ask for change. Instead of simply giving them change, I'll ask them what they want....soda, water, gatorade, iced tea, whatever....and run inside and get them something real quick.

In all of the cases where I've done this over the past 3-4 years, I've gotten very appreciative and positive responses. It takes a few minutes of my time, and I don't do it every time I walk by someone, but I do it frequently, perhaps once every couple of weeks (or about as often as I head into Boston/Cambridge).

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That's not true. You were asked by the site administrator via a private message to not post inappropriate language and 30 minutes later you did it again anyway.

I was talking about the swear word I called it.

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I was talking about the swear word I called it.

Once again with feeling: You weren't given a temporary ban because you used a derogatory word for "Detroit". You were given a temporary ban because within 30 minutes of being warned via a private message from the site administrator, you chose to ignore that warning and post another obscenity.

As far as I know no one has been banned for using the term "Detoilet".

If you want to continue to run that flag up the pole, I would suggest that you PM MotownWebGuy and discuss it with him.

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I admittedly haven't taken the time to read every bit of this thread, though I have popped in and perused from time to time. That said, I've adopted what I consider a pretty positive policy in dealing with those asking for money on the street.

Throughout Boston and Cambridge, as I'm sure is the case in many other areas, its common for people to sit outside convenience stores, CVS, Rite Aid, Walgreens, and other places of this ilk, and ask for change. Instead of simply giving them change, I'll ask them what they want....soda, water, gatorade, iced tea, whatever....and run inside and get them something real quick.

In all of the cases where I've done this over the past 3-4 years, I've gotten very appreciative and positive responses. It takes a few minutes of my time, and I don't do it every time I walk by someone, but I do it frequently, perhaps once every couple of weeks (or about as often as I head into Boston/Cambridge).

I tried something similar once, and never will again.

I was in Anchorage, Alaska (of all places) about five years ago on business. I worked late one night, although you'd never know it because it was hella bright outside. I was tired, so I thought I'd just hit Taco Bell on my way back to my room at the Marriott. As it happens, I love Taco Bell, not sure why. Anyway, as I enter the door I get accosted by some crazy guy begging for money. I kindly declined and he continued to pester me all the way up to the counter where I was trying to order. He was even trying to 'trade' me some bus tokens for money. At that point, I was in the middle of ordering and I was like, fine, if you want some food order it and I'll pay for it. So the guys just stands there for like 45 seconds mumbling and trying to figure out what he wanted. I was like, WTF, if you are hungry order something or don't I want to complete this. So he still can't figure out what he wants. After about another 10-15 seconds I tell him, you're getting the #3 combo or nothing. So I ordered him the #3... then he starts complaining that he doesn't like what I ordered him and all sorts of crap. And I had to listen to him complain about it for several minutes until the food was ready. It really pissed me off, but is pretty much par for the course in my experience with beggars.

I had a pretty bad experience at the Waltham soup kitchen as well. Lee/Mark, have you guys ever been there? I don't recommend it, but just curious.

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a lot of you people need to WAKE THE **** UP!!!

#1) Pan-handling should be ILLEGAL. Begging for money should be ILLEGAL. If you are truly in need of food, clothing, shelter, etc...there are more than enough government facilities around that will provide you with all the basic necessities. It's pretty clear to me that MOST of you talking crap to me about not being more understanding of the homeless haven't spent much time around them, if any. Like the poster who worked with the homeless in Kalamazoo, I too have spent a lot of time in that city.

Here is how the typical day of a homeless person in Kalamazoo goes:

about 1 or 2 pm, wake up at one of the downtown homeless shelters, the most popular is actually a pretty nice converted old hotel. eat first meal of the day there. head over to the really, really nice public library. goof around on the internet, read magazines or whatever for 6 or so hours. then its off to wherever their 'spot' is, usually outside of a liquor store, gas station, mcdonalds, whatever. for the next few hours they try and trick rich college kids into giving them money until the spot closes, or they get enough change to buy a pint, a rock, cigarettes, whatever the shelters won't give them. then, if lucky, they go get ****ed up and hangout at the downtown mcdonalds, which seems to be the most popular homeless hangout, right across the street from the shelter.

#2) Look, a lot homeless guys are mentally ill. That's sad. But me, or you, giving them money for cigarettes, drugs, alcohol isn't going to help them get back on their feet. It's only going to bury them down further. The shelters give them everything they really NEED. If you really care about the homeless, STOP giving them change. You're nothing but an enabler, all you're really doing is making their lives worse...but...at least you get to feel charitable, right?

#3) Transitional homeless guys, down on their luck for whatever reason, don't usually beg. They live at the shelters. Use the job service programs. Use the public libraries. Look for work there. Eat the free meals. Use the showers. Sleep in the free beds. And then they get back out there with the rest of us. These guys are on and off the streets. The services are there for people who really want to not be homeless.

#4) The rest of the guys are absolute SCUM BAGS. And it's everyone you run into at CoPa (with the exceptions of the mentally ill guys). They have everything they need at the shelters. They could turn their lives around if they wanted to. BUT THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO WORK 40 HRS A WEEK FOR MINUMUM WAGE. They'd rather be homeless. Make about the same on assistance and not work at all. Trick you into forking over your hard earned money. And spend it getting ****ed up. It should be illegal for these guys to stand around public places and harrass tourists. It makes the city look like ****. I don't care if it's the same in every city. It shouldn't be. It should be illegal.

p.s. - i got banned for calling detroit what i did, and what i still think it is.

You should stick to making lineups, it made more sense. You keep getting all upset that nobody will agree with you, but you do not bother to make any points. You say that begging should be illegal, but don't support this. You give examples of alternatives of what homeless people do, or could do, and while this is very interesting, it doesn't give a reason for it to be illegal. Just because you find something distasteful, bothersome or inconvenient, it doesn't mean that it should be illegal.

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Blue, I would suggest that we attack the problem right at the root, in this case.

Make it illegal to be poor, crazy, or a scumbag. Problem solved, bill is in the mail sir!

(PS I do agree that giving money at the wrong time can reinforce bad behaviors)

OK time to turn the brain back off now.

Edited by DaYooperASBDT

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I was talking about the swear word I called it.
Choose your fights wisely grasshopper. The battle you can not win is not worth fighting. You have made your point and we have enjoyed this thread at your expense. Online egos gain nothing except frustrations. Kick back, chill and plan your next list.

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Walk by them and ignore them. Just like they do in every other stadium located in a major city.

You know what would make Detroit worse? Taking the cops off the streets to patrol the Copa parking lot on game nights.

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Choose your fights wisely grasshopper. The battle you can not win is not worth fighting. You have made your point and we have enjoyed this thread at your expense. Online egos gain nothing except frustrations. Kick back, chill and plan your next list.

/thread

This is the wisest comment yet.

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The last thing a panhandler wants is a scene and a cop. Sure I've been hustled in Miami by a big well dressed professional. Still, his desires are the same, pick up a buck or two and move on. Just use your conscience. Much like tipping. You don't have to, it is your option. I rarely give cash though I have. One old vet who I know sleeps in the woods near the RR tracks, I brought a 12 x 20 tarp with 100' of rope. Cost me less than $20. Now he only spreaks and never asks.

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Roger, I need your sage advice here, do people ever pose as veterans, or can you easily vouch for their service just by talking to them and asking the right questions? Obviously I try to be generous with guys who are missing a limb or limbs - I assume that he caught a bullet or a bomb, so that I didn't have to.

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Choose your fights wisely grasshopper. The battle you can not win is not worth fighting. You have made your point and we have enjoyed this thread at your expense. Online egos gain nothing except frustrations. Kick back, chill and plan your next list.

Nicely said.

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Roger, I need your sage advice here, do people ever pose as veterans, or can you easily vouch for their service just by talking to them and asking the right questions? Obviously I try to be generous with guys who are missing a limb or limbs - I assume that he caught a bullet or a bomb, so that I didn't have to.

I had a guy take off his shirt to show me his marine corps tattoo in San Diego. I gave him a couple of bucks and told him to put his clothes back on.

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Roger, I need your sage advice here, do people ever pose as veterans, or can you easily vouch for their service just by talking to them and asking the right questions? Obviously I try to be generous with guys who are missing a limb or limbs - I assume that he caught a bullet or a bomb, so that I didn't have to.
We have a few intersections where bewhiskered vets hang out with their cardboard signs. Not sure if they really were vets. But a few that hang around our convenience stores are easily recognized. The man I deal with most often has a couple wrinkled, faded Navy tats on his arms. One afternoon I handed him a replica National Defense Service Ribbon in the presentation box. He turned and walked away...I'm sure he was crying. I was. We never talked about it again. He has some mental problems, but he survives without bothering people.

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I think it would be tough to find as serious debate about homeless people anywhere else on the internet.

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Roger, I need your sage advice here, do people ever pose as veterans, or can you easily vouch for their service just by talking to them and asking the right questions? Obviously I try to be generous with guys who are missing a limb or limbs - I assume that he caught a bullet or a bomb, so that I didn't have to.
One afternoon, I picked up my troops from school and pulled into KFC for them to get a snack. While I was waiting and listening to talk radio, a homeless guy came to my window asking for some help 'cause he couldn't find work. Irritated, I rudely told him to leave me alone. As he turned down the sidewalk, I saw he was missing one arm below the elbow and the other at the wrist. Yeah, I felt real proud of myself that day. I try to be a nice person and days like that remind me to try harder.

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about 1 or 2 pm, wake up at one of the downtown homeless shelters, the most popular is actually a pretty nice converted old hotel. eat first meal of the day there. head over to the really, really nice public library. goof around on the internet, read magazines or whatever for 6 or so hours. then its off to wherever their 'spot' is, usually outside of a liquor store, gas station, mcdonalds, whatever. for the next few hours they try and trick rich college kids into giving them money until the spot closes, or they get enough change to buy a pint, a rock, cigarettes, whatever the shelters won't give them. then, if lucky, they go get ****ed up and hangout at the downtown mcdonalds, which seems to be the most popular homeless hangout, right across the street from the shelter.

You sure know a hell of a lot about how people you know nothing about behave.

You're also really super judgmental about people whom you know nothing about other than that they've asked you for a dime.

For me, I think that posting derogatory, vaguely political comments kicking dirt on people who are down should be a ban-able offense. I also think that while you were once just a harmless little nothing posting harmless little nothing after harmless little nothing, now you're more of one of those aggressively stupid types. You know, the ones who are 17 years old and have everything figured out except grammar and want to tell the whole world about what they know through their ample personal experiences.

Remember: Odysseus went home to Ithaka dressed as a beggar and found a bunch of suburban white kids trashing his place. And then they, who knew nothing about the man before them, hurled insults and a cow's foot at him. And then he butchered them all, one by one, because in their insolence they didn't quite know who they were dicking around with. For all you know, the guy on the street is Jesus returned. Jesus begged too, didn't he? And every ascetic in every branch of religion ever? Now go read a history book and grow a compassion bone before you start dogging on people whom you haven't got the first clue about.

Edited by Eric Cioe

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It should be illegal for these guys to stand around public places and harrass tourists. It makes the city look like ****. I don't care if it's the same in every city. It shouldn't be. It should be illegal.

Not only is it the same in every city, it's been the same in every city for five thousand years. That's ten times as long as Europeans have been on North America.

Now, you might be able to deduce this sort of thing if you could shut your mouth long enough to learn from someone, but obviously that's not the case. For you, your vast, inestimable personal experience trumps all. Why spend time learning facts and gaining perspective when you can deal in baseless conjecture and idiocy for free?

Your posts in this thread are frankly embarrassing, and it makes me ashamed to know we come from the same part of the world. And again, I'm not some bleeding heart who gives money to every homeless person I see. I'm just someone that can look at someone, yes even those degenerates with mental diseases that they can't help and addictions they can't fight their own way out of anymore and realize that underneath it all is a human who has done nothing wrong but inconvenienced you for the two seconds it takes you to say "get lost, mister."

Take a look around at some of the opinions here. No one agrees with you. Even the few people who share your sentiments do so without spouting any of the diarrhea you've got going for you, because they recognize the basic worth of a human being, even when he hasn't got any money. Then you've got guys like Micro and especially Huey telling stories that we can all learn something from, not anything extravagant but basic human decency in most cases, and you're saying that they're idiots for consenting to this because you know for a fact from your vast personal experiences stalking the homeless in Kalamazoo that no "real homeless people" beg.

Is this the sort of stuff that they teach in public schools today? Or did you learn this firsthand from your hard-knock white upper middle class suburban struggle?

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One afternoon, I picked up my troops from school and pulled into KFC for them to get a snack. While I was waiting and listening to talk radio, a homeless guy came to my window asking for some help 'cause he couldn't find work. Irritated, I rudely told him to leave me alone. As he turned down the sidewalk, I saw he was missing one arm below the elbow and the other at the wrist. Yeah, I felt real proud of myself that day. I try to be a nice person and days like that remind me to try harder.

This is a great story.

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Plenty of people agree with me. It's just only acceptable to disagree with me.

Because you're the hero of the light, standing up for the interests of the so obviously oppressed white upper middle class suburbanite who can't be bothered with the misfortune of others if it wastes a the breath it takes you to say "sorry sir"?

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