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I think he's going to shock everyone. As the title suggests, maybe he gets Jose Reyes! And maybe he even gets Hanly or felix, who knows! This off season will be jist as esiteing as 08, that's for sure.

Guess what other team actively pursued Brandon Morrow..

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Do we really want to mortage the farm for a career .769 OPS hitter (and on the decline)? On top of that what happens after his club option is up? What kind of contract will he command? Sounds like a lot of money and a lot of prospects for a guy of this caliber...bascially you are buying a name, that is it.

No thanks...

And BTW, while he is better defensively at SS than Hanley Ramirez...he is no wizard out there

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I think we should sign Arnie Kander to a deal, let him be the Tigers strength and conditioning coach as well as hit 9th in the lineup as our DH (hes a little old to play the field). After all the moves that have been made based on this thread we have:

Jackson

Reyes

Crawford

Cabrera

Ordonez

Uggla

Buck

Inge

Kander

I like it.

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instead of lee/crawford

why not...

podsednik/pavano

shorter, cheaper contracts...less risky, less dangerous...more room to spend elsewhere: catcher, third base, short stop, corner outfield, starting pitching, second base?

this definitely isn't a 'two-player' turn around

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Why are we signing up leadoff hitters? Do folks want to move Jackson down in the lineup, I take it?

This team needs a #3 hitter to replace Magglio, and a #5 hitter to boot. My "dream" lineup:

Jackson

Rhymes/Sizemore

Crawford or Werth

Cabrera

A. Dunn

Boesch/Raburn

B. Inge

Avila/Torrealba

SS (Santiago/Werth/Etc)

This would be a decent defensive squad, and would also have serious offensive punch 1-6.

Edited by DaYooperASBDT

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Why are we signing up leadoff hitters? Do folks want to move Jackson down in the lineup, I take it?

This team needs a #3 hitter to replace Magglio, and a #5 hitter to boot. My "dream" lineup:

Jackson

Rhymes/Sizemore

Crawford or Werth

Cabrera

A. Dunn

Boesch/Raburn

B. Inge

Avila/Torrealba

SS (Santiago/Werth/Etc)

This would be a decent defensive squad, and would also have serious offensive punch 1-6.

Jackson is a nice hitter but in no way is he a prototypical leadoff hitter. He has a solid .360 OBP but a staggering 100 more strikeouts than walks (137/37) and when you strike out 137 times and are slugging .410, there's problems. I love the kid but he should be batting at the bottom of the order.

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Why are we signing up leadoff hitters? Do folks want to move Jackson down in the lineup, I take it?

...

I'm fine with A-Jax at leadoff. But we get Reyes, and I think he's the better option. Switch-hitter to start off with. Jackson batting second. Sign Crawford and bat him 3rd. That's tremendous speed at the top of the order and I think really could stress out opposing team's pitcher's... Oh, and then they'd have to face Miggy.

I agree, we have to settle our #3 and #5 hitters primarily. Would love Dunn, Maggs would be a decent fallback option.

Reyes - SS

Jackson - CF

Crawford - LF

Miggy - 1B

Dunn - DH

Inge - 3B

Boesch - RF

Rhymes or Sizemore - 2B

Avila - C

If Maggs is re-signed instead of Dunn, then Maggs bats at #5, and then Boesch/Inge and 2B/ Avila are both flipped.

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I actually prefer hitters with high OBP and high strikeouts batting leadoff. At least the first time through the order, a strikeout doesn't hurt you as much, because he didn't have any runners to advance anyway.

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I actually prefer hitters with high OBP and high strikeouts batting leadoff. At least the first time through the order, a strikeout doesn't hurt you as much, because he didn't have any runners to advance anyway.

I think that's kind of silly. Leadoff is not somewhere you put a hitter to "protect" them so they don't strike out in high leverage situations. His speed is nice but he still needs to improve his instincts and needs to take more walks. I want someone who OBP's around .380-.400 and takes lots of pitches and makes lots of contact...really, Johnny Damon. Jackson is a sink or swim guy.

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I think that's kind of silly. Leadoff is not somewhere you put a hitter to "protect" them so they don't strike out in high leverage situations. His speed is nice but he still needs to improve his instincts and needs to take more walks. I want someone who OBP's around .380-.400 and takes lots of pitches and makes lots of contact...really, Johnny Damon. Jackson is a sink or swim guy.

Johnny Damon has a career obp of .355. He has only been over .380 twice. I think Jackson's .360 obp is more than fine as a leadoff hitter and the strikeouts are likely to go down as he gains more experience. Even if they don't, they are not really hindering him as a leadoff hitter as long as he is getting on base.

I would bat Jackson second or third in the lineup just because I think he is going to improve as a hitter and has more value in the those positions.

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I think that's kind of silly. Leadoff is not somewhere you put a hitter to "protect" them so they don't strike out in high leverage situations. His speed is nice but he still needs to improve his instincts and needs to take more walks. I want someone who OBP's around .380-.400 and takes lots of pitches and makes lots of contact...really, Johnny Damon. Jackson is a sink or swim guy.
You were right the first time, .360 is perfectly acceptable for a leadoff type. Guys with a .380 are extremely rare, IIRC.

EDIT: I meant among leadoff-type batters, not elite hitters like Miggy, Hamilton, Pujols, etc

Edited by DaYooperASBDT

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Looked it up, Jackson's .360 is second among leadoff hitters in the A.L. this year, but it was a distant second to Gardner's .387

(League average is .329)

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Looked it up, Jackson's .360 is second among leadoff hitters in the A.L. this year, but it was a distant second to Gardner's .387

(League average is .329)

Except Gardner's been hitting in the 8 or 9 hole most of this season. Jackson will be fine as a leadoff hitter. .360 OBP is not unrealistic for him projecting forward and I believe the K% will improve. He's only 23.

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Except Gardner's been hitting in the 8 or 9 hole most of this season. Jackson will be fine as a leadoff hitter. .360 OBP is not unrealistic for him projecting forward and I believe the K% will improve. He's only 23.

Yeah, I could live with .360 out of the leadoff spot. Especially if you put a bat behind him with some pop in the #2 spot.

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