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1B/3B Ron Bourquin (AA Erie)

Bourquin was released a while back and would have had absolutely zero trade value in the first place.

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Bourquin was released a while back and would have had absolutely zero trade value in the first place.

Well I have put out 4 different off season threads... lol.

I was just looking for a scrub young guy... Like Jay Voss was when we got him from Florida.

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THE TIGERS ARE NOT TRADING FOR HANLEY, OR REYES, OR SIGNING CLIFF LEE

GET OVER IT

Maggio Ordonez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Cabrera, Ivan Rodriguez ..... I dunno V, I would think if Illitch wants another superstar, he would be willing to get one and hasn't been shy about doing so in the past.

However, I don't think this team is all that far from getting back into contention, there are some quality young players in place. If the Tigers can add the right pieces in the right places (including two big bats and one more SP, plus a decent catcher to time share with Avila), then the Tigers set up well for either 2011 or 2012, IMHO. In addition, I think Sizemore and/or Rhymes will cover second base just fine next year. What to do with Guillen? I say eat the contract.

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The big phrase I keep seeing here, regarding Reyes, is "when/if he's healthy".

I don't know about the rest of you blokes, but I am sick and ****ing tired of

running a hospital ward instead of a baseball team. Maybe we should pass.

EDIT: Actually Reyes had four straight seasons of perfect health, before his thyroid issue in 2009.

He has had issues with an oblique this season, but that seems like a "fixable" deal to me.

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The big phrase I keep seeing here, regarding Reyes, is "when/if he's healthy".

I don't know about the rest of you blokes, but I am sick and ****ing tired of

running a hospital ward instead of a baseball team. Maybe we should pass.

EDIT: Actually Reyes had four straight seasons of perfect health, before his thyroid issue in 2009.

He has had issues with an oblique this season, but that seems like a "fixable" deal to me.

I think I would pass. It's hard to argue against him given our need for a shortstop but I personally don't think Reyes is the type of player you win with and is a little bit of a prima donna.

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there have been several threads about hanley.

reyes would cost us much less.

i fail to see how it's unrealistic.

i wouldn't even be that surprised to find out that he was the 'mystery' player we almost landed at the deadline.

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there have been several threads about hanley.

reyes would cost us much less.

i fail to see how it's unrealistic.

i wouldn't even be that surprised to find out that he was the 'mystery' player we almost landed at the deadline.[/QUOTE]

I suppose it does make sense, the mets were then out of contention and he would have been able to help us for the rest of the season and next season.

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THE TIGERS ARE NOT TRADING FOR HANLEY, OR REYES, OR SIGNING CLIFF LEE

GET OVER IT

Seriously, if you disagree .. that is fine, but don't do the ALL CAPS, I KNOW MORE THAN YOU DO STUFF!

I think we'll sign Cliff Lee .. deal with it.

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Its a discount because for a guy signed to a multi year deal it would cost way more.

Ok but you included 3 top ten prospects, including the team's number 1 prospect. I don't think the Tigers could actually give up any more talent than that.

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Maggio Ordonez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Cabrera, Ivan Rodriguez ..... I dunno V, I would think if Illitch wants another superstar, he would be willing to get one and hasn't been shy about doing so in the past.

However, I don't think this team is all that far from getting back into contention, there are some quality young players in place. If the Tigers can add the right pieces in the right places (including two big bats and one more SP, plus a decent catcher to time share with Avila), then the Tigers set up well for either 2011 or 2012, IMHO. In addition, I think Sizemore and/or Rhymes will cover second base just fine next year. What to do with Guillen? I say eat the contract.

Mags and Pudge signed here because they really had no other options and the Tigers still overpaid. Sheffield and Cabrera were by trade, and honestly you get maybe one of those Cabrera trades every 50 years. I just don't honestly see the Tigers beating someone else for Hanley (if he even is available...he's ****ing signed just like Josh Johnson. These Hanley rumors are dumb and go back to earlier in the year when he dogged it on one play. That's over.) or signing the most coveted SP on the market. When was the last time the Tigers signed the best player available? This isn't hockey or basketball or football with a cap and not everyone can bid..but the Yankees are always a better option than the Tigers. Unless the Tigers offer him a ridiculous contract, or for no reason he doesn't get offers from big teams, he's not coming here. Hell, he could re-sign in Texas.

Just because the Tigers have a bunch of money doesn't exactly mean they're going to spend it all on 2 players. I don't think that would be smart and I think this is Dombrowski's opportunity to build a good team without splurging on 2 players. Cliff Lee and Hanley, or Crawford, do not fix this team.

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There's no disputing that top FA's do spurn Detroit, regardless of money offered, but the Tigers do manage to sign quality players to extensions, as well. I don't see the Tigers signing three of the best players in baseball in one winter, but I think could could land at least one "star" plus a couple of quality veterans, with some luck.

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I definitely think they'll be improved, but people are predicting that the Tigers will sign both Crawford AND Lee. Depending on what they get that could be around 40 million combined for them. So the Tigers would have Crawford, Lee, Verlander and Cabrera all signed for a combined 80ish million. They're not the Yankees. This kind of thinking is narrow and team based. Other teams have money, too. Other teams have prospects. Other teams have needs.

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I definitely think they'll be improved, but people are predicting that the Tigers will sign both Crawford AND Lee. Depending on what they get that could be around 40 million combined for them. So the Tigers would have Crawford, Lee, Verlander and Cabrera all signed for a combined 80ish million. They're not the Yankees. This kind of thinking is narrow and team based. Other teams have money, too. Other teams have prospects. Other teams have needs.

Nobody over 14 years old, who isn't in need of rehab believes that..

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If the Mets were willing to trade Reyes, and not for some crazy unacceptable ransom, I could go for that.

And I would be OK with the Tigers overpaying for Crawford with an offer he couldn't refuse.

Just think of the top of the order if DD could pull these two rabbits out of his hat:

Reyes-Austin Jax-Crawford, and then Miggy. Wouldn't that be crazy?! THe only other issue would be to get a #5 hitter to put behind Cabrera... and if not Dunn, I'd be OK with that being Magglio re-signed for 1 year, $7-8 mill. DFA Guillen. Hope Maggs can DH/ OPS .850+ behind Miggy...

I don't know if we match up prospect-wise very well with the Mets needs though...

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If the Mets were willing to trade Reyes, and not for some crazy unacceptable ransom, I could go for that.

And I would be OK with the Tigers overpaying for Crawford with an offer he couldn't refuse.

Just think of the top of the order if DD could pull these two rabbits out of his hat:

Reyes-Austin Jax-Crawford, and then Miggy. Wouldn't that be crazy?! THe only other issue would be to get a #5 hitter to put behind Cabrera... and if not Dunn, I'd be OK with that being Magglio re-signed for 1 year, $7-8 mill. DFA Guillen. Hope Maggs can DH/ OPS .850+ behind Miggy...

I don't know if we match up prospect-wise very well with the Mets needs though...

We have good pitching prospects, and that's the best kind of prospect. Im sure we could make a blockbuster happen with the prospects we have. Not sure there's much left after that, though.

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I haven't read one person say we can sign both Crawford AND Lee, sorry.

One or the other ... yes, and it's very possible.

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I agree that were in decent shape regarding prospects...not so much in position players, but the pitching is looking good fo sure. However, Andy Oliver is no Jeremy Hellickson, Martin Perez, Neftali Feliz or Jake McGee, and Turner is still at least another year away from MLB imo..teams like Tampa Bay and Texas are in far better shape to make these deals happen, right under Dds nose. One thing about this offseason is that I hope DD doesn't blow his wad on aging, declining and injury riddled players. I hope he targets players who are just now peaking the height of their potential and a few good, but not nessesarily superstar veterans to help the team. The chemistry has to be near perfect...If we do trade the farm this offseason I hope it's for more elite Cabrera Verlander level talents, but weld be lucky to land two of them at most through trades. The free agent market is pretty thin, and the Tigers aren't likely to land any of the top 3 imo...i do think we could realistically acquire Javier Vazques and Victor Martinez. I believe we could make a deal for Matt Garza and Jason Bartlett, Brandon League, maybe Jacoby Ellsbury, or even Carlos Beltran...but I'm aiming a bit high here, and it still doesn't stay true to keeping the team young, cheap and athletic, which should be dds goal regardless of the temptation to splurge. There's my two cents.

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So we can't trade for guys cause other teams might have something better to offer?

That's not to say that they'll offer, but we shouldn't try ..... cause some teams can offer better?

Wow.

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So we can't trade for guys cause other teams might have something better to offer?

That's not to say that they'll offer, but we shouldn't try ..... cause some teams can offer better?

Wow.

Yea

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I never said we shouldn't try...what I was trying to state is that Oliver isn't as elite of a prospect as some like to think..especially in comparison to Hellickson. The pitching prospects are encouraging but I'm sure it would cost us dearly for an elite player. Again, not saying dd shouldn't look into anything and everything he can, he needs to upgrade the team as much as possible. I gotta feeling hell do well, probably alot of unexpected suprises..over the course of a wait and see approach..i don't believe the obvious blockbusters everyone is pining for will happen.When was the last time DD made a predictable deal..hes always works behind the curtain, and I'm sure hell do the same this yeae. Anythings possible, I just don't buy the obvious hype.

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I never said we shouldn't try...what I was trying to state is that Oliver isn't as elite of a prospect as some like to think..especially in comparison to Hellickson. The pitching prospects are encouraging but I'm sure it would cost us dearly for an elite player. Again, not saying dd shouldn't look into anything and everything he can, he needs to upgrade the team as much as possible. I gotta feeling hell do well, probably alot of unexpected suprises..over the course of a wait and see approach..i don't believe the obvious blockbusters everyone is pining for will happen.When was the last time DD made a predictable deal..hes always works behind the curtain, and I'm sure hell do the same this yeae. Anythings possible, I just don't buy the obvious hype.

Nobodys finds blockbusters the way DD does. It seems like he's can see into the future, how did he know Jackson would be this good? Or coke? How did he know Sherzer is better than Jackson? And get Daniel Shlereth to boot. How did he snag Cabrera before anyone else? Because he's the best GM at pulling off blockbuster type trades. You just watch.

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exactly..kinda how toronto gm Anthopoulus acquired Brandon Morrow from Seattle for #randon League. Both are good relievers, but Morrow has flourished as a starter. IIRC, Dd was looking into acquiring Morrow last year, but Toronto swooped in. I'm sure Dd sensed a potential gem in Morrow despite the deal not working out. He more than redeemed himself by getting Scherzer and AJax. Although the Peralta isn't as popular with everyone here..its making Dd look good thus far. Just an example, but I can easily foresee DD acquiring an underrated guy like Tom Gorzellany, Wandy Rodriguez,Chris Volstad, or someone who hasn't had as much success as expected, and turn out to be golden next year for ala Scherzer, and Ejax before him. Meanwhile Cliff Lee or Zack Greinke wind up rich, cliche teams only getting richer...this seems to be the usual trend at least, regarded the obvios hype, and than less initially exciting, but dividend redeeming qualities of Dave Dombrowskis general managerial style. I'm definitely looking forward to finding out what he has up his sleeve.

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exactly..kinda how toronto gm Anthopoulus acquired Brandon Morrow from Seattle for #randon League. Both are good relievers, but Morrow has flourished as a starter. IIRC, Dd was looking into acquiring Morrow last year, but Toronto swooped in. I'm sure Dd sensed a potential gem in Morrow despite the deal not working out. He more than redeemed himself by getting Scherzer and AJax. Although the Peralta isn't as popular with everyone here..its making Dd look good thus far. Just an example, but I can easily foresee DD acquiring an underrated guy like Tom Gorzellany, Wandy Rodriguez,Chris Volstad, or someone who hasn't had as much success as expected, and turn out to be golden next year for ala Scherzer, and Ejax before him. Meanwhile Cliff Lee or Zack Greinke wind up rich, cliche teams only getting richer...this seems to be the usual trend at least, regarded the obvios hype, and than less initially exciting, but dividend redeeming qualities of Dave Dombrowskis general managerial style. I'm definitely looking forward to finding out what he has up his sleeve.

I think he's going to shock everyone. As the title suggests, maybe he gets Jose Reyes! And maybe he even gets Hanly or felix, who knows! This off season will be jist as esiteing as 08, that's for sure.

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