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Will Stephan Drew be traded to the Tigers?

Will Stephan Drew be traded to the Tigers?  

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  1. 1. Will Stephan Drew be traded to the Tigers?

    • Yes
      11
    • No
      39
    • Why, it's good the way it is now...
      2
    • No, but we will fill this position with somone else in a trade....
      5


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I don't think that Stephan Drew will go to the Tigers, but I think that Stephen Drew might. :happy:

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I don't think that Stephan Drew will go to the Tigers, but I think that Stephen Drew might. :happy:

Dam, I noticed this after I posted it.... Oh well, I'm an idiot......

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Why are there 4 options when there are only two possible ways to answer that question? Yes or No was sufficient.

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Dam, I noticed this after I posted it.... Oh well, I'm an idiot......

lol, forget about it... I posted a thread once about contracts when I had no idea what I was talking about!

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For the purposes of this poll, are we pretending that Stephen Drew is good? Over the past year and a half, he has averaged less than a win over replacement per half season. That's less than than a win over replacement. Plus, in his four full qualified seasons, he has gotten over 100 OPS+ exactly once. In fact, during the prime years of his career (ages 24-27), he is a 93 OPS+ player -- which is exactly where he is sitting this morning.

And we have proponents to raid the farm system to get this guy? Really? Has it come to this?

Edited by chasfh

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For the purposes of this poll, are we pretending that Stephen Drew is good? Over the past year and a half, he has averaged less than a win over replacement per half season. That's less than than a win over replacement. Plus, in his four full qualified seasons, he has gotten over 100 OPS+ exactly once. In fact, during the prime years of his career (ages 24-27), he is a 93 OPS+ player -- which is exactly where he is sitting this morning.

And we have proponents to raid the farm system to get this guy? Really? Has it come to this?

I certainly don't propose raiding the farm system to get this guy, but I do propose obtaining him.

I don't pretend that he's a great player, but he is good by virtue of being a decent-to-positive fielder and a decent hitter at a position where we have strictly one-dimensional gloves.

Can we identify a positional prospect in our farm system who would have the same likelihood as Drew would here of filling an important position during a playoff run? Maybe Strieby, but Strieby is only a marginally/arguably better hitter in the minors than Drew was, and not at a critical defensive position.

Let me put it this way: if we had Stephen Drew in our AA team at the age of 22, some folks would not want to trade him away in order to acquire a solid veteran.

If we were to trade Turner I'd be upset, but I could abide trading virtually anybody else for Drew.

Edited by sabretooth

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lol, forget about it... I posted a thread once about contracts when I had no idea what I was talking about!

I remember that as if it was only yesterday... ahh, memories...

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For the purposes of this poll, are we pretending that Stephen Drew is good? Over the past year and a half, he has averaged less than a win over replacement per half season. That's less than than a win over replacement. Plus, in his four full qualified seasons, he has gotten over 100 OPS+ exactly once. In fact, during the prime years of his career (ages 24-27), he is a 93 OPS+ player -- which is exactly where he is sitting this morning.

And we have proponents to raid the farm system to get this guy? Really? Has it come to this?

Stephen Drew has a career 108 OPS+ against RHP, so he at least would make a good platoon player, perhaps long term with worth against lefties. Also, this is the top ten OPS for shortstops this season in the MLB. He's having a better year than most SS this year hitting wise, which I think says a lot about the position as a whole this season. Look how far Jeter has fallen.

Hanley Ramirez .855 OPS

Alex Gonzalez .789 OPS

Juan Uribe .759 OPS

Stephen Drew .748 OPS

Cliff Pennington .738 OPS

Jose Reyes .731 OPS

Alexei Ramirez .729 OPS

Derek Jeter .719 OPS

Marco Scutaro .711 OPS

Erick Aybar .703 OPS

Edited by GartenSpartan

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Graten, you're missing Hanley Ramirez on your list, so in terms of raw OPS, Drew is fifth among shortstops.

But that doesn't adjust for ballpark, and Arizona is a better hitters park than most. In OPS+, which does adjust for park, Drew ranks eighth:

                             
Rk Player OPS+
1 Rafael Furcal 144
2 Hanley Ramirez 126
3 Alex Gonzalez 112
4 Cliff Pennington 101
5 Juan Uribe 98
6 Derek Jeter 97
7 Jose Reyes 96
8 Stephen Drew 93
9 Alexei Ramirez 92
10 Jerry Hairston 90
11 Erick Aybar 90
12 Marco Scutaro 88
13 Yuniesky Betancourt 84
14 Ian Desmond 83
15 Elvis Andrus 82
16 Yunel Escobar 77
17 Jason Bartlett 77
18 Alcides Escobar 70
19 Orlando Cabrera 69

But that's only one measure of his hitting. There's also baserunning and fielding to take into the equation, which are reflected in Wins Above Replacement. Here are the leaders in WAR among shortstops so far this year:

                                
Rk Player WAR/pos
1 Rafael Furcal 3.2
2 Cliff Pennington 2.9
3 Alex Gonzalez 2.8
4 Troy Tulowitzki 2.5
5 Hanley Ramirez 2.0
6 Alexei Ramirez 1.8
7 Ramon Santiago 1.6
8 Erick Aybar 1.3
9 Elvis Andrus 1.2
10 Marco Scutaro 1.2
11 Jimmy Rollins 1.2
12 Yunel Escobar 1.1
13 Derek Jeter 1.0
14 Josh Wilson 0.9
15 Juan Uribe 0.9
16 Ronny Cedeno 0.9
17 Wilson Valdez 0.8
[COLOR="DarkRed"][B]18 Stephen Drew 0.8[/B][/COLOR]
19 Jason Bartlett 0.8
20 Jerry Hairston 0.8
21 J.J. Hardy 0.7
22 Jose Reyes 0.6
23 Edgar Renteria 0.6
24 Starlin Castro 0.6
25 Jason Donald 0.5
26 Ian Desmond 0.5
27 Danny Worth 0.3
28 Tyler Greene 0.3
29 Paul Janish 0.3
30 Yuniesky Betancourt 0.2
31 Jack Wilson 0.2
32 Drew Sutton 0.2
33 Asdrubal Cabrera 0.1
34 Orlando Cabrera 0.1
35 Anderson Hernandez 0.0
36 Steven Tolleson 0.0
37 Everth Cabrera -0.1
38 Oswaldo Navarro -0.3
39 Angel Sanchez -0.3
40 Trevor Plouffe -0.3
41 Cesar Izturis -0.3
42 Alcides Escobar -0.5
43 Brendan Ryan -0.6
44 Adam Everett -0.9
45 Juan Castro -1.3
46 Tommy Manzella -1.5

Among all shortstops, Stephen Drew is tied for 17th. Look who's 7th.

How can this be? Here's how: Santiago is a superior fielder this year, and Drew is sub-standard. That's made all the difference. So if Drew delivers less at the position than Santiago, then why do we need Drew?

I'm all for upgrading a position significantly if we can do it efficiently. I just don't see that happening here.

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Graten, you're missing Hanley Ramirez on your list, so in terms of raw OPS, Drew is fifth among shortstops.

But that doesn't adjust for ballpark, and Arizona is a better hitters park than most. In OPS+, which does adjust for park, Drew ranks eighth:

                             
Rk Player OPS+
1 Rafael Furcal 144
2 Hanley Ramirez 126
3 Alex Gonzalez 112
4 Cliff Pennington 101
5 Juan Uribe 98
6 Derek Jeter 97
7 Jose Reyes 96
8 Stephen Drew 93
9 Alexei Ramirez 92
10 Jerry Hairston 90
11 Erick Aybar 90
12 Marco Scutaro 88
13 Yuniesky Betancourt 84
14 Ian Desmond 83
15 Elvis Andrus 82
16 Yunel Escobar 77
17 Jason Bartlett 77
18 Alcides Escobar 70
19 Orlando Cabrera 69

But that's only one measure of his hitting. There's also baserunning and fielding to take into the equation, which are reflected in Wins Above Replacement. Here are the leaders in WAR among shortstops so far this year:

                                
Rk Player WAR/pos
1 Rafael Furcal 3.2
2 Cliff Pennington 2.9
3 Alex Gonzalez 2.8
4 Troy Tulowitzki 2.5
5 Hanley Ramirez 2.0
6 Alexei Ramirez 1.8
7 Ramon Santiago 1.6
8 Erick Aybar 1.3
9 Elvis Andrus 1.2
10 Marco Scutaro 1.2
11 Jimmy Rollins 1.2
12 Yunel Escobar 1.1
13 Derek Jeter 1.0
14 Josh Wilson 0.9
15 Juan Uribe 0.9
16 Ronny Cedeno 0.9
17 Wilson Valdez 0.8
[COLOR="DarkRed"][B]18 Stephen Drew 0.8[/B][/COLOR]
19 Jason Bartlett 0.8
20 Jerry Hairston 0.8
21 J.J. Hardy 0.7
22 Jose Reyes 0.6
23 Edgar Renteria 0.6
24 Starlin Castro 0.6
25 Jason Donald 0.5
26 Ian Desmond 0.5
27 Danny Worth 0.3
28 Tyler Greene 0.3
29 Paul Janish 0.3
30 Yuniesky Betancourt 0.2
31 Jack Wilson 0.2
32 Drew Sutton 0.2
33 Asdrubal Cabrera 0.1
34 Orlando Cabrera 0.1
35 Anderson Hernandez 0.0
36 Steven Tolleson 0.0
37 Everth Cabrera -0.1
38 Oswaldo Navarro -0.3
39 Angel Sanchez -0.3
40 Trevor Plouffe -0.3
41 Cesar Izturis -0.3
42 Alcides Escobar -0.5
43 Brendan Ryan -0.6
44 Adam Everett -0.9
45 Juan Castro -1.3
46 Tommy Manzella -1.5

Among all shortstops, Stephen Drew is tied for 17th. Look who's 7th.

How can this be? Here's how: Santiago is a superior fielder this year, and Drew is sub-standard. That's made all the difference. So if Drew delivers less at the position than Santiago, then why do we need Drew?

I'm all for upgrading a position significantly if we can do it efficiently. I just don't see that happening here.

Chas,

First of all Hanley is on my list, so Drew is indeed 4th overall in OPS. Second, where are you getting your list for WAR? Fangraphs lists Drew's WAR as 1.9 this year and 5th overall, not 17th. Also, Drew's fielding metrics are all above average as well. I'm confused as to where your numbers are coming from.

http://http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=ss&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=6&season=2010&month=0

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wow! now im going crazy in blueadams fashion!

is it even possible to dream that DD could possibly acquire both a Dan Haren deal and Hanley ramirez? i really dont think so, but DAMN! could y'all just immagine how potent this team could be with those two guys if we only had to give up prospects...id happily trade away Turner and a handful of guys like Strieby, sizemore, Schlereth, Perry, furbush, Oliver and more if we could get those two difference makers on this roster. !!!!:grin::grin:

I'm feeling a case of blueadams imsomnia tonight..damn trade deadlines and hype...jeez...

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wow! now im going crazy in blueadams fashion!

is it even possible to dream that DD could possibly acquire both a Dan Haren deal and Hanley ramirez? i really dont think so, but DAMN! could y'all just immagine how potent this team could be with those two guys if we only had to give up prospects...id happily trade away Turner and a handful of guys like Strieby, sizemore, Schlereth, Perry, furbush, Oliver and more if we could get those two difference makers on this roster. !!!!:grin::grin:

I'm feeling a case of blueadams imsomnia tonight..damn trade deadlines and hype...jeez...

Never going to happen, just forget about it.

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wow! now im going crazy in blueadams fashion!

is it even possible to dream that DD could possibly acquire both a Dan Haren deal and Hanley ramirez? i really dont think so, but DAMN! could y'all just immagine how potent this team could be with those two guys if we only had to give up prospects...id happily trade away Turner and a handful of guys like Strieby, sizemore, Schlereth, Perry, furbush, Oliver and more if we could get those two difference makers on this roster. !!!!:grin::grin:

I'm feeling a case of blueadams imsomnia tonight..damn trade deadlines and hype...jeez...

So would everybody else.

You would have to offer Porcello, Turner, and Oliver (and probably more) just to get Florida to pick up the phone on a Hanley trade.

We don't have the ammo for him. Unless Florida wants to severely trim payroll again, we just don't have the ammo to land him. And even when they do decide to move him for dollar saving other teams will likely have a better package to offer than Detroit will.

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