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We've had a couple strong draft classes in row. It's only natural to have a year with a weaker talent pool and it looks like 2011 could be that year.

Am I way off base here or no?

Early indications are that is false. Looks like another very good year.

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It really depends on CBA negotiations. If things are going poorly and it looks like there might be a lockout, more underclassman will stay. If Peterson (CB), Luck and Mallett (QB), Ingram (RB) and AJ Green and the rest of the WRs stay in, it would be a BAD year.

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Early indications are that is false. Looks like another very good year.

I agree. Lots of talent. Tons of players I really like in the Top 100. Of course, it depends on the underclassmen. That site includes juniors.

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Way too early for this type of stuff....but

National, the draft scouting source used by many nfl teams came out with its top 25 prospect list Tuesday

Prince Amukamara, Adrian Clayborn are top 2011 NFL Draft prospects - NFL - SI.com

1. Prince Amukamara - CB - Nebraska

2. Adrian Clayborn - DE - Iowa

3. Mark Herzlich - OLB - Boston College

4. Allen Bailey - DL - Miami

5. Von Miller - OLB - Texas AM

6. Greg Romeus - DE - Pitt

7. Marvin Austin - DT - North Carolina

8. Christian Ponder - QB - FSU

9. Jake Locker - QB - Washington

10. Stephen Paea - DT - Oregon St

11. Anthony Castonzo - T - Boston College

12. Pernell McPhee - DE - Miss St

13. Stefen Wisnieski - C - Penn St

14. Jeremy Beal - DE - Oklahoma

15. Ross Homan - LB - Ohio St

16. DeMarcus Love - T - Arkansas

17. DeMarco Murray - RB - Oklahoma

18. Niles Paul - WR - Nebraska

19. Jimmy Smith - CB - Colorado

20. Ras-I Dowling - CB - Virginia

21. Jabaal Sheard - DE - Pitt

22. Jerrell Powe - DT - Ole Miss

23. Bruce Carter - OLB - UNC

24. Derek Sherrod - DT - Miss St

25. Rodney Hudson - G - FSU

Those ratings are a joke, No Obi Ezeh in the top 25? Please :ponder:

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I don't mean to bump this thread after one game, but there's all the talk about the need for an OT, and while I think it's a little extreme since we were going against Peppers, the fact is we'll be facing Peppers, Jared Allen, and the Packers 3-4 six times every season, and it's certainly a possibility to be addressed.

The problem is there are no Top 10 Left Tackles in next years draft. Anthony Castonzo is the best fit, but better off in a zone blocking scheme - Reynolds and Carimi are both suited for the right side, and after that you're into the second round, where Solder and Potter are both projects... get further down, and you're into the group that might be better fit at Guard.

Sideline Scouting - Offensive Tackles

I still think Patrick Peterson should be the pick if he's available. It's a draft day match made in heaven.

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I'm on the Prince Amukamara bandwagon now (over Peterson). Prince is elite in run support, has a lot of Antonie Winfield similarities. I'd actually be on board for a LB or safety (depending on Spievey) over CB, but no McClain's or Berry's in this class. No OT worth drafting in Round 1, either.

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I like Prince, too. The thing about Peterson is that he needs work on technique. He's a run with kind of corner, doesn't use his hands enough for me. Even in press coverage, and teams use that to their advantage when they run to his side. Physically, he's elite. I'd always err in the side of talent, but they are both talented. It's a good, close race.

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Another name making the rounds is LB Dontay Moch of Nevada, who is about 6 foot two, 238 lbs, and has been clocked at 4.25 by scouts. It will be interesting to see him run at the combine.

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Is there even a discussion anymore who the best QB prospect is in this class? I'm seeing a certain sophomore from Stanford's name a lot in the #1 overall spot in mocks.

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Is there even a discussion anymore who the best QB prospect is in this class? I'm seeing a certain sophomore from Stanford's name a lot in the #1 overall spot in mocks.

I don't think so. Luck is far and away the #1 QB to me.

That said, it wouldn't surprise me if a team fell in love with Locker, even though he's playing crappy.

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I like Prince, too. The thing about Peterson is that he needs work on technique. He's a run with kind of corner, doesn't use his hands enough for me. Even in press coverage, and teams use that to their advantage when they run to his side. Physically, he's elite. I'd always err in the side of talent, but they are both talented. It's a good, close race.

I think Peterson is definitely more talented than Prince but I would take Prince ahead of him because I think he is more polished and there is something about Peterson that screams Antonio Cromartie. Prince is one of my favorite players in this draft.

As far as the Lion's go, a few other guys I really like in this draft besides those two corners are Ryan Kerrigan and Akeem Ayers. The draft is loaded with defensive line talent and if there isn't a clear choice of a player at a position of need, then I would be open to some of that defensive line talent.

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can Akeem Ayers play LB? The guy is amazing on that very crappy Bruin team.

I think Ayers is ticketed for the strongside linebacker role.

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He'd be an amazing MLB prospect if he was smarter and more disciplined.

Instead, he Ernie Sims.

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Is there even a discussion anymore who the best QB prospect is in this class? I'm seeing a certain sophomore from Stanford's name a lot in the #1 overall spot in mocks.

Nope, only one of the 3 in question at the beginning of the season that is living up to the hype.

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I like Prince, too. The thing about Peterson is that he needs work on technique. He's a run with kind of corner, doesn't use his hands enough for me. Even in press coverage, and teams use that to their advantage when they run to his side. Physically, he's elite. I'd always err in the side of talent, but they are both talented. It's a good, close race.

I think they'll be 1A/1B similar to the way Suh/McCoy were. I bet Peterson's return ability will make him #1 in a lot of rankings. If we're drafting a corner first round, I don't want him returning punts, though, so it makes no difference to me. Peterson seems to have some conditioning problems. He's cramped up a lot this season.

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Early 1st

*WR AJ Green, Georgia

**QB Andrw Luck, Stanford

Early/mid 1st

CB Prince Amukamara, Nebraska

*DE DaQuan Bowers, Clemson - rising

DE Adrian Clayborn, Iowa

*DT/DE Marcel Dareus, Alabama

*RB Mark Ingram, Alabama

*CB Patrick Peterson, LSU

*DE Robert Quinn, North Carolina

*CB Aaron Williams, Texas - rising

Mid 1st

*OLB Akeem Ayers, UCLA - rising

*WR Michael Floyd, Notre Dame

*CB Brandon Harris, Miami - rising

DE/DT Cameron Heyward, Ohio State - dropping

*WR Julio Jones, Alabama

Mid/late 1st

OLB Bruce Carter, North Carolina

*QB Nick Foles, Arizona - rising

DE Cameron Jordan, California - rising

QB Jake Locker, Washington

DT Jerrell Powe, Mississippi

OT Derek Sherrod, Mississippi State - rising

**DE Aldon Smith, Missouri

Late 1st

DE Alan Bailey, Miami - dropping

DE/OLB Jeremy Beal, Oklahoma

OT Gabe Carimi, Wisconsin

*DT Jurrell Casey, USC

OT Anthony Castonzo, Boston College

*OLB Travis Lewis, Oklahoma

DT Stephen Paea, Oregon State

Early 2nd

*WR Jon Baldwin, Pittsburgh - dropping

*WR Ryan Broyles, Oklahoma

*DT/DE Jared Crick, Nebraska

CB Ras-I Dowling, Virginia

*DT/DE Nick Fairley, Auburn - rising

*CB Janoris Jenkins, Florida - rising

OLB/ILB Greg Jones, Michigan State

DE Ryan Kerrigan, Purdue - rising

OLB Von Miller, Texas A&M - dropping

ILB/OLB Kelvin Sheppard, LSU - rising

CB Jimmy Smith, Colorado

*OT Tyron Smith, USC

Early/mid 2nd

DE/DT Christian Ballard, Iowa - rising

*TE Kyle Rudolph, Notre Dame

OG/OC Stefen Wisniewski, Penn. State

Mid 2nd

DT Marvin Austin, North Carolina

DT Jarvis Jenkins, Clemson

*QB Ryan Mallett, Arkansas - dropping

SS DeAndre McDaniel, Clemson

QB Christian Ponder, Florida State - dropping

*OT Matt Reynolds, BYU

*DE/DT JJ Watt, Wisconsin - rising

**RB Ryan Williams, Virginia Tech.

Mid/late 2nd

CB Curtis Brown, Texas

*QB Blaine Gabbert, Missouri

*FS Rahim Moore, UCLA - dropping

RB DeMarco Murray, Oklahoma

DT Drake Nevis, LSU

OG/OT Jason Pinkston, Pittsburgh

*RB Shane Vereen, California

Late 2nd

CB Davon House, New Mexico State

OG/OC Rodney Hudson, Florida State

*RB Mikel Leshoure, Illinois - rising

*WR DeVier Posey, Ohio State

*OT Nate Potter, Boise State

OG Michael Pouncey, Florida

*RB Jacquizz Rodgers, Oregon State

DE Greg Romeus, Pittsburgh

DE Jabaal Sheard, Pittsburgh - rising

*WR Torrey Smith, Maryland

OT Nate Solder, Colorado

RB Daniel Thomas, Kansas State

S Deunta Williams, North Carolina - dropping

Early 3rd

RB Noel Devine, West Virginia

WR Leonard Hankerson, Miami - rising

OLB Mark Herzlich, Boston College - dropping

S Jaiquawn Jarrett, temple

WR Jerrel Jernigan, Troy

OG/OT DeMarcus Love, Arkansas

OG John Moffitt, Wisconsin - rising

TE DJ Williams, Arkansas

Mid 3rd

DB Chykie Brown, Texas

OG/OT Marcus Cannon, TCU

OLB/ILB Mason Foster, Washington - rising

FB Stan Havili, USC

RB Kendall Hunter, Oklahoma State

OG Benjamin Ijalana, Villinova

TE Lance Kendricks, Wisconsin

DE Pernell McPhee, Mississippi State - dropping

OLB/ILB Quan Sturdivant, North Carolina

DT Adrian Taylor, Oklahoma

WR Titus Young, Boise State

Late 3rd

DE Sam Acho, Texas

OG Justin Boren, Ohio State

CB Rashad Carmichael, Virginia Tech.

CB Chimdi Chekwa, Ohio State

DB Chris Culliver, South Carolina

DT Kendrick Ellis, Hampton

WR Ron Johnson, USC

WR Greg Little, North Carolina

RB Derrick Locke, Kentucky

FB/ILB Owen Marecic, Stanford

OLB Dontay Moch, Nevada

WR Niles Paul, Nebraska

WR Austin Pettis, Boise State

TE Luke Stocker, Tennessee

WR Terrence Toliver, LSU - rising

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Early 1st

*WR AJ Green, Georgia

**QB Andrw Luck, Stanford

Early/mid 1st

CB Prince Amukamara, Nebraska

*DE DaQuan Bowers, Clemson - rising

DE Adrian Clayborn, Iowa

*DT/DE Marcel Dareus, Alabama

*RB Mark Ingram, Alabama

*CB Patrick Peterson, LSU

*DE Robert Quinn, North Carolina

*CB Aaron Williams, Texas - rising

Mid 1st

*OLB Akeem Ayers, UCLA - rising

*WR Michael Floyd, Notre Dame

*CB Brandon Harris, Miami - rising

DE/DT Cameron Heyward, Ohio State - dropping

*WR Julio Jones, Alabama

Mid/late 1st

OLB Bruce Carter, North Carolina

*QB Nick Foles, Arizona - rising

DE Cameron Jordan, California - rising

QB Jake Locker, Washington

DT Jerrell Powe, Mississippi

OT Derek Sherrod, Mississippi State - rising

**DE Aldon Smith, Missouri

Late 1st

DE Alan Bailey, Miami - dropping

DE/OLB Jeremy Beal, Oklahoma

OT Gabe Carimi, Wisconsin

*DT Jurrell Casey, USC

OT Anthony Castonzo, Boston College

*OLB Travis Lewis, Oklahoma

DT Stephen Paea, Oregon State

Early 2nd

*WR Jon Baldwin, Pittsburgh - dropping

*WR Ryan Broyles, Oklahoma

*DT/DE Jared Crick, Nebraska

CB Ras-I Dowling, Virginia

*DT/DE Nick Fairley, Auburn - rising

*CB Janoris Jenkins, Florida - rising

OLB/ILB Greg Jones, Michigan State

DE Ryan Kerrigan, Purdue - rising

OLB Von Miller, Texas A&M - dropping

ILB/OLB Kelvin Sheppard, LSU - rising

CB Jimmy Smith, Colorado

*OT Tyron Smith, USC

Early/mid 2nd

DE/DT Christian Ballard, Iowa - rising

*TE Kyle Rudolph, Notre Dame

OG/OC Stefen Wisniewski, Penn. State

Mid 2nd

DT Marvin Austin, North Carolina

DT Jarvis Jenkins, Clemson

*QB Ryan Mallett, Arkansas - dropping

SS DeAndre McDaniel, Clemson

QB Christian Ponder, Florida State - dropping

*OT Matt Reynolds, BYU

*DE/DT JJ Watt, Wisconsin - rising

**RB Ryan Williams, Virginia Tech.

Mid/late 2nd

CB Curtis Brown, Texas

*QB Blaine Gabbert, Missouri

*FS Rahim Moore, UCLA - dropping

RB DeMarco Murray, Oklahoma

DT Drake Nevis, LSU

OG/OT Jason Pinkston, Pittsburgh

*RB Shane Vereen, California

Late 2nd

CB Davon House, New Mexico State

OG/OC Rodney Hudson, Florida State

*RB Mikel Leshoure, Illinois - rising

*WR DeVier Posey, Ohio State

*OT Nate Potter, Boise State

OG Michael Pouncey, Florida

*RB Jacquizz Rodgers, Oregon State

DE Greg Romeus, Pittsburgh

DE Jabaal Sheard, Pittsburgh - rising

*WR Torrey Smith, Maryland

OT Nate Solder, Colorado

RB Daniel Thomas, Kansas State

S Deunta Williams, North Carolina - dropping

Early 3rd

RB Noel Devine, West Virginia

WR Leonard Hankerson, Miami - rising

OLB Mark Herzlich, Boston College - dropping

S Jaiquawn Jarrett, temple

WR Jerrel Jernigan, Troy

OG/OT DeMarcus Love, Arkansas

OG John Moffitt, Wisconsin - rising

TE DJ Williams, Arkansas

Mid 3rd

DB Chykie Brown, Texas

OG/OT Marcus Cannon, TCU

OLB/ILB Mason Foster, Washington - rising

FB Stan Havili, USC

RB Kendall Hunter, Oklahoma State

OG Benjamin Ijalana, Villinova

TE Lance Kendricks, Wisconsin

DE Pernell McPhee, Mississippi State - dropping

OLB/ILB Quan Sturdivant, North Carolina

DT Adrian Taylor, Oklahoma

WR Titus Young, Boise State

Late 3rd

DE Sam Acho, Texas

OG Justin Boren, Ohio State

CB Rashad Carmichael, Virginia Tech.

CB Chimdi Chekwa, Ohio State

DB Chris Culliver, South Carolina

DT Kendrick Ellis, Hampton

WR Ron Johnson, USC

WR Greg Little, North Carolina

RB Derrick Locke, Kentucky

FB/ILB Owen Marecic, Stanford

OLB Dontay Moch, Nevada

WR Niles Paul, Nebraska

WR Austin Pettis, Boise State

TE Luke Stocker, Tennessee

WR Terrence Toliver, LSU - rising

Given the need for quality corners in the NFL, I see Peterson and Amukamara both going in the top five.

Kerrigan is not a second round pick. He compares favorably with Brandon Graham this year and will be a mid first round pick.

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Given the need for quality corners in the NFL, I see Peterson and Amukamara both going in the top five.

Kerrigan is not a second round pick. He compares favorably with Brandon Graham this year and will be a mid first round pick.

I see Peterson and Amukamara both going Top 10 and Mallett and Locker both going Top 15. What I posted was where I grade them, not taking into account positional demand.

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Given the need for quality corners in the NFL, I see Peterson and Amukamara both going in the top five.

Kerrigan is not a second round pick. He compares favorably with Brandon Graham this year and will be a mid first round pick.

Kerrigan isn't the prospect Graham was, and Graham was a reach at #13. He should have gone in the 20s. And, if all the underclassmen declare, that's Quinn, Bowers, Clayborn, Heyward, Jordan, Smith, Bailey and Beal I've got in front of him.

I do like Kerrigan, but I can't call him a sure-fire first rounder. In fact, only the first four I listed would I say that about -- though Aldon Smith might not declare, then, if he doesn't have a first round grade.

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Randolph?

He's the type of multi dimensional TE that will grade out very high. I think he's better than Jeremy Shockey ever was.

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