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One more thing about the draft, before we annoint Petersen and Amukamara to be the next Charles Woodson and Champ Bailey, let's see them go through the combine and get picked over by scouts. There are always guys you've never heard of who will jump up the draft board into the middle of the first round who could end up being just as good as those two, or one of those two.

There's plenty of talent out there. The Lions can get great value throughout the draft and be fine, even if they don't pick in the top 10.

One of these two can be annoited.

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One more thing about the draft, before we annoint Petersen and Amukamara to be the next Charles Woodson and Champ Bailey, let's see them go through the combine and get picked over by scouts. There are always guys you've never heard of who will jump up the draft board into the middle of the first round who could end up being just as good as those two, or one of those two.

There's plenty of talent out there. The Lions can get great value throughout the draft and be fine, even if they don't pick in the top 10.

Rashean Mathis & Namdi Asomughua (sp?), two of my favorites.

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you can get great value throughout the draft

you probably won't

most teams don't

but its possible

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One more thing about the draft, before we annoint Petersen and Amukamara to be the next Charles Woodson and Champ Bailey, let's see them go through the combine and get picked over by scouts. There are always guys you've never heard of who will jump up the draft board into the middle of the first round who could end up being just as good as those two, or one of those two.

There's plenty of talent out there. The Lions can get great value throughout the draft and be fine, even if they don't pick in the top 10.

A two round jump during the offseason process isn't unheard of. There's never been a situation where an "unknown" becomes a first rounder. :grin: Sure you can pinpoint scenarios like Tyson Jackson and DHB jumping into the Top 10, but it's not like they were lousy prospects to begin with.

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Last year the biggest jump I can think of was Rodger Saffold, who went #33 to St. Louis, was a 3rd-4th round prospect when the season ended. And he was definitely known by the Shrine Bowl, which is mid-January.

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Last year the biggest jump I can think of was Rodger Saffold, who went #33 to St. Louis, was a 3rd-4th round prospect when the season ended. And he was definitely known by the Shrine Bowl, which is mid-January.

Which is not now.

Kareem Jackson jumped pretty far last year as the draft got closer, especially after the Combine.

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Last year the biggest jump I can think of was Rodger Saffold, who went #33 to St. Louis, was a 3rd-4th round prospect when the season ended. And he was definitely known by the Shrine Bowl, which is mid-January.

Mostly because he played left tackle, and performed well. To me, the biggest jump was Alualu, which blew me away. He's a good player, but not 10th best in the draft good. On the other hand, I thought Kareem Jackson went right about where I expected him to.

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Mostly because he played left tackle, and performed well. To me, the biggest jump was Alualu, which blew me away. He's a good player, but not 10th best in the draft good. On the other hand, I thought Kareem Jackson went right about where I expected him to.

In December of last year you were confident he would be available in the 2nd round. Pre-combine you had him ranked 66th then post-combine at 32nd.

Schottey had him at 47th pre-combine, didn't see a ranking post-combine.

Jackson went at 20 and was the 2nd corner drafted. I'm not sure that would have been where anyone expected in December of 2009. This is all I was trying to point out, a second rounder that isn't getting as much hype in December moving up to the middle of the first.

I sure it happens several times every year, but it was the one example I could come up with off the top of my head.

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In December of last year you were confident he would be available in the 2nd round. Pre-combine you had him ranked 66th then post-combine at 32nd.

Schottey had him at 47th pre-combine, didn't see a ranking post-combine.

Jackson went at 20 and was the 2nd corner drafted. I'm not sure that would have been where anyone expected in December of 2009. This is all I was trying to point out, a second rounder that isn't getting as much hype in December moving up to the middle of the first.

I sure it happens several times every year, but it was the one example I could come up with off the top of my head.

One big part of that scenario was after Haden it was kind of a logjam for the #2 CB and it was able to play itself out in the offseason. Jackson, Wilson, McCourty and Robinson were all similarly graded as late 1st/early 2nd and the Texans obviously liked Jackson the most so he won that battle. Personally, I had Kyle Wilson #2. Those type of battles are what the offseason is really good for because we can see those players in practice at the Senior Bowl and compare and then get official measurements at the Combine.

(Re: Cruzer) I'm not so sure I'd consider Alualu in these type of situations. He helped himself out in the Senior Bowl, but it was still a surprise pick, not well known like Jackson to KC or DHB to Oakland was. For what it's worth, Alualu finished #76 in my Top 100 and #10 ranked DT. So, yeah, he was a major reach. I'm sure I'll hear how he's turned out to be a nice pick at that slot and he's been producing, but it doesn't change the fact he could have been drafted maybe an entire round later.

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One big part of that scenario was after Haden it was kind of a logjam for the #2 CB and it was able to play itself out in the offseason. Jackson, Wilson, McCourty and Robinson were all similarly graded as late 1st/early 2nd and the Texans obviously liked Jackson the most so he won that battle. Personally, I had Kyle Wilson #2. Those type of battles are what the offseason is really good for because we can see those players in practice at the Senior Bowl and compare and then get official measurements at the Combine.

(Re: Cruzer) I'm not so sure I'd consider Alualu in these type of situations. He helped himself out in the Senior Bowl, but it was still a surprise pick, not well known like Jackson to KC or DHB to Oakland was. For what it's worth, Alualu finished #76 in my Top 100 and #10 ranked DT. So, yeah, he was a major reach. I'm sure I'll hear how he's turned out to be a nice pick at that slot and he's been producing, but it doesn't change the fact he could have been drafted maybe an entire round later.

The funny thing about the Alualu pick is that I heard other teams applaud it, and even a team saying he was going to be their pick if available. He's got a great motor, but I wouldn't put him in the middle of the defense. He has a nice pairing in Jax with Knighton.

By the way, a certain person might have called Jackson to KC, and DHB to Oak, but would have never gotten Alualu in a million years.

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The funny thing about the Alualu pick is that I heard other teams applaud it, and even a team saying he was going to be their pick if available. He's got a great motor, but I wouldn't put him in the middle of the defense. He has a nice pairing in Jax with Knighton.

By the way, a certain person might have called Jackson to KC, and DHB to Oak, but would have never gotten Alualu in a million years.

A certain person was pipped to the Jackson pick by both stormin norman and yours truly...:happy:

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Found this on another board:

Detroit drafts 14th with a win and wins by all the following teams: NY Giants (Washington), Indy (Tennessee), St. Louis (Seattle) and Pittsburgh (Cleveland).

Detroit drafts 13th with a win, a win by St. Louis (Seattle), 2 wins by the following teams: NY Giants (Washington), Indy (Tennessee) or Pittsburgh (Cleveland) OR a win, a loss by St. Louis (Seattle), wins by Tampa Bay (New Orleans) and San Francisco (Arizona) and wins by all the following teams: NY Giants (Washington), Indy (Tennessee) or Pittsburgh (Cleveland).

Detroit drafts 12th with a win, a win by St. Louis (Seattle) and only one win by the following teams: NY Giants (Washington), Indy (Tennessee) or Pittsburgh (Cleveland) OR a win, a loss by St. Louis (Seattle), wins by Tampa Bay (New Orleans) and San Francisco (Arizona) and two wins by the following teams: NY Giants (Washington), Indy (Tennessee) or Pittsburgh (Cleveland) OR a win, a loss by St. Louis (Seattle), a loss by either Tampa Bay (New Orleans) or San Francisco (Arizona) and wins by all the following teams: NY Giants (Washington), Indy (Tennessee) and Pittsburgh (Cleveland).

Detroit drafts 11th with a win, a win by St. Louis (Seattle) and losses by all the following teams: NY Giants (Washington), Indy (Tennessee) and Pittsburgh (Cleveland) OR a win, a loss by St. Louis (Seattle), wins by Tampa Bay (New Orleans) and San Francisco (Arizona) and only one win by the following teams: NY Giants (Washington), Indy (Tennessee) or Pittsburgh (Cleveland) OR a win, a loss by St. Louis (Seattle), a loss by either Tampa Bay (New Orleans) or San Francisco (Arizona) and two wins by the following teams: NY Giants (Washington), Indy (Tennessee) or Pittsburgh (Cleveland).

Detroit drafts 10th with a win, wins by Tampa Bay (New Orleans) and San Francisco (Arizona) and losses by all the following teams: NY Giants (Washington), Indy (Tennessee), St. Louis (Seattle) and Pittsburgh (Cleveland) OR a win, a loss by either Tampa Bay (New Orleans) or San Francisco (Arizona) and one win by the following teams: NY Giants (Washington), Indy (Tennessee) or Pittsburgh (Cleveland).

Detroit drafts 9th with a win, a loss by either Tampa Bay (New Orleans) or San Francisco (Arizona) and losses by all the following teams: NY Giants (Washington), Indy (Tennessee), St. Louis (Seattle) and Pittsburgh (Cleveland)

Detroit drafts 8th with a loss and losses by all the following teams: Cincinnati (Baltimore), Buffalo (NY Jets), Dallas (Philadelphia) and Houston (Jacksonville).

Detroit drafts 7th with a loss and one win of the following: Cincinnati (Baltimore), Buffalo (NY Jets), Dallas (Philadelphia) or Houston (Jacksonville).

Detroit drafts 6th with a loss and 2 wins by the following: Cincinnati (Baltimore), Buffalo (NY Jets), Dallas (Philadelphia) or Houston (Jacksonville).

Detroit drafts 5th with a loss and three wins by the following: Cincinnati (Baltimore), Buffalo (NY Jets), Dallas (Philadelphia) or Houston (Jacksonville).

Detroit drafts 4th with a loss and wins by Cincinnati (Baltimore), Buffalo (NY Jets), Dallas (Philadelphia) and Houston (Jacksonville).

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I think the Lions will end up drafting 14th.

That's the way it looks to me as well.

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I think the Lions will end up drafting 14th.

As much as I would have liked them to get another big daddy pick (Suh, and Johnson), it will be nice to not have to pay someone $40+ million right out of college again.

My dream scenario is that Detroit trades back a few spots, gets an extra 2nd or 3rd round pick. We never seemed to be able to do that with all the high picks we have had the past several years, and need more average players to fill the holes IMO.

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I think I put it a bit clearer.

I think if they win they will draft 14th, one behind the Vikings. The Lions have to second highest SOS of all possible 6-10 teams after the Browns, who are going to lose today and wind up at 5-11. The only way they can move up is for the Titans, Redskins, and/or Seahawks to win today to get to 7 wins.
With a loss the Lions would pick no later than 8th since one of the Cardnials or 49ers is going to win today. The Eagles are resting everyone, so there's a chance the Cowboys can win that one and move them up one. If Cincinnati or Buffalo can somehow find a way to come back and win they would move up. Houston plays Jacksonville with no MJD that that's another possible spot.

With a Lions loss they could realistically pick 6th overall.

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Detroit drafts 10th with a win, wins by Tampa Bay (New Orleans) and San Francisco (Arizona) and losses by all the following teams: NY Giants (Washington), Indy (Tennessee), St. Louis (Seattle) and Pittsburgh (Cleveland) OR a win, a loss by either Tampa Bay (New Orleans) or San Francisco (Arizona) and one win by the following teams: NY Giants (Washington), Indy (Tennessee) or Pittsburgh (Cleveland).

I don't think this one is correct, as it says the Lions can pick 10th if Arizona beats San Francisco, since Pittsburgh already beat Cleveland.

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I don't think this one is correct, as it says the Lions can pick 10th if Arizona beats San Francisco, since Pittsburgh already beat Cleveland.

Their response:

It's not, it was supposed to read a loss by Both (not either) Tampa Bay and San Francisco and one win by the following teams. If Tampa and San Fran had loss, the Vikings would have had a stronger SOS than us and therefore drafted after us.

And actually, every other place that I had Tampa Bay listed, it was supposed to be New Orleans winning.

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Washington and Tennessee are hanging tough in the 4th quarter. If just one of them win, I will be happy.

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If Seattle beats St Louis we'll pick 13th. Otherwise, 14th.

That's about as simple as it gets.

A loss by the Lions today and they would've picked 7th. Ugh, I'm always pumped by a Lions win...but next April I'll probably wish they dropped this game. So the win today costs 6 or 7 draft slots...but the tradeoff is great optimism for next year, probably an extra free agent or two looks this way, and possibly a good pick at 14 anyway (Brandon Harris?).

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I guess in tonights game I root for Seattle.

There are other reasons to root for Seattle.

Such as:

Rooting for a 7-9 team to make it into the playoffs.

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A loss by the Lions today and they would've picked 7th. Ugh, I'm always pumped by a Lions win...but next April I'll probably wish they dropped this game. So the win today costs 6 or 7 draft slots...but the tradeoff is great optimism for next year, probably an extra free agent or two looks this way, and possibly a good pick at 14 anyway (Brandon Harris?).

The difference between picking 7th and 14th is negligible.

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The difference between picking 7th and 14th is negligible.

I agree. I'd entertain trading the pick for a 20-22 and pick up additional picks. I think it's valuable because teams in that area maybe looking to jump teams in the 15-19 area. Mayhew has shown he's not bashful about making trades.

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