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Ayers -- over runs the pocket at times, marginal wrap-up tackler, a bit of a gambler, lacks natural instincts, disappears for long stretches during games, takes some plays off, not especially physical

Agreed, he's very similar to JPeterson.

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Good stuff, I'll add a few notes...

BOWL GAMES

I’ve included juniors that I grade in the top three rounds, and a few special instances where I rank them later than the third, but expect them to declare.

*=JR, **=RS Soph.

I may have missed a player or two...

BYU

*OT Matt Reynolds – 2nd

S Brandon Bradley – 7th

S Andrew Rich – 7th

UTEP

RB Donald Buckram – 7th

Northern Illinois

DT Jake Coffman – 7th

Fresno State

OG Andrew Jackson – 6th

LB Ben Jacobs – 7th

LB Chris Carter – 4th- Stud

Ohio

WR Terrence McCrae – 7th

DT Marcellis Williamson – 7th

DT Ernie Hodge – 7th

Troy

WR Jerrel Jernigan – 3rd- Like him a lot

DT Eugene Kinlaw – 7th

Southern Miss.

DT Anthony Gray – 6th

CB CJ Bailey – 7th

Louisville

RB Bilal Powell – 6th

TE Cameron Graham – 6th

CB Johnny Patrick – 4th

Utah

RB Eddie Wide – 7th

OG Caleb Schlauderaff – 7th

C Zane Taylor – 7th

*CB Brandon Burton – 2nd

Boise State

WR Titus Young – 3rd

WR Austin Pettis – 4th

*OT Nate Potter – 2nd

DE Ryan Winterswyk – 7th

CB Brandyn Thompson – 6th

S Jeron Johnson – 5th

Navy

San Diego St.

WR Vincent Brown – 4th

DE BJ Williams – 7th

Hawaii

WR Greg Salas – 5th

WR Kealoha Pilares – 7th

S Mana Silva – 7th

Tulsa

FB/TE Charles Clay – 5th

WR Trae Johnson – 7th

DE Odrick Ray – 7th

Florida Int’l.

CB Anthony Gaitor – 7th

Toledo

LB Archie Donald – 7th

LB Douglas Westbrook – 7th

Air Force

Georgia Tech

LB Brad Jefferson – 7th

CB Mario Butler – 5th

West Virginia

RB Noel Devine – 4th

WR Jock Sanders – 7th

DT Chris Neild – 7th

DT Scooter Berry – 7th

LB JT Thomas – 5th

CB Brandon Hogan – 5th

*S Robert Sands – 3rd

N.C. State

QB Russell Wilson – 7th

WR Jarvis Williams – 7th

LB Nate Irving – 3rd

Missouri

*QB Blaine Gabbert – 2nd-3rd

C Tim Barnes – 5th

**DE Aldon Smith – 1st

LB Luke Lambert – 7th

CB Kevin Rutland – 7th

S Jasper Simmons – 7th

Iowa

QB Ricky Stanzi – 4th

TE Allen Reisner – 6th

DE Adrian Clayborn – 1st

DE Christian Ballard – 2nd

DT Karl Klug – 7th

LB Jeff Tarpinian – 7th

LB Jeremiha Hunter – 6th

East Carolina

RB Jonathan Williams – 7th

WR Dwayne Harris – 3rd

CB Dakota Marshall – 7th

CB East Carolina – 7th

Maryland

RB Da’rei Scott – 7th

*WR Torrey Smith – 2nd

LB Alex Wujciak – 6th

LB Adrian Moten – 6th

S Antwine Perez – 7th

Baylor

OG Danny Watkins – 4th- Probaly higher

DT Phil Taylor – 4th

S Byron Landor – 7th

Illinois

LB Martez Wilson – 2nd

Oklahoma St.

RB Kendall Hunter – 3rd

**WR Justin Blackmon – 1st

DE Ugo Chinasa – 5th

LB Orie Lemon – 7th

Arizona

*QB Nick Foles – 3rd- Maybe low first, mid 2nd depending on demand

RB Nicholas Grigsby – 7th

*WR Juron Criner - 3rd

OG Adam Grant – 7th

C Colin Baxter – 7th

DE Ricky Elmore – 4th

DE Brooks Reed – 5th

DT Lolmana Mikaele – 7th

S Joseph Perkins – 7th

Army

SMU

WR Aldrick Robinson – 6th

LB Youri Yenga – 7th

Kansas St.

RB Daniel Thomas – 2nd

Syracuse

LB Derrell Smith – 7th

LB Doug Hogue – 6th

North Carolina

FB Ryan Houston – 7th

WR Greg Little (suspended) – 3rd

TE Zack Pianalto – 5th

*DE Robert Quinn (suspended) – 1st

DT Marvin Austin (suspended) – 2nd

LB Quan Sturdivant – 3rd

LB Bruce Carter (injured) – 3rd (was 1st before injury)

*LB Zach Brown – 3rd

CB Kendrick Burney – 4th

CB Charles Brown – 6th

S Deunta Williams – 2nd

Tennessee

TE Luke Stocker – 3rd

DE Ben Martin – 7th

LB Nick Reveiz – 7th

LB Chris Walker – 7th

Nebraska

RB Roy Helu – 4th

WR Niles Paul – 3rd

TE Mike McNeill – 6th

OG Keith Williams – 7th

OG Ricky Henry – 7th

DE Pierre Allen – 5th

*DT Jared Crick – 2nd

CB Prince Amukamara – 1st

*CB Alfonzo Dennard – 3rd

S Eric Hagg – 5th

S Dejon Gomes – 6th

Washington

QB Jake Locker – 1st-2nd

WR D’Andre Goodwin – 7th

OT Cody Habben – 7th

DT Cameron Elisara – 7th

LB Mason Foster – 3rd

S Nate Williams – 4th

South Florida

WR Dontavia Bogan – 7th

C Sampson Genus – 7th

DE Craig Marshall – 7th

DT Terrell McClain – 5th

Clemson

**RB Andre Ellington – 3rd

OT Chris Hairston – 4th

DE *DaQuan Bowers – 1st

DT Jarvis Jenkins – 2nd

CB Marcus Gilchrist – 4th

CB Byron Maxwell – 6th

*S Rahim Moore – 2nd

Notre Dame

RB Armando Allen – 7th

*WR Michael Floyd – 1st

WR Duval Kamara – 7th

*TE Kyle Rudolph (injured) – 2nd- Maybe first, best TE

TE Mike Ragone – 7th

DT Ian Williams – 5th

LB Brian Smith – 7th

LB Kerry Neal – 7th

S Harrison Smith – 7th

Miami

WR Leonard Hankerson – 2nd

TE Richard Gordon – 6th

OT Orlando Franklin – 3rd

DE Allen Bailey – 1st

**DT Marcus Forston – 3rd

LB Colin McCarthy – 4th

*CB Brandon Harris – 1st

CB DeMarcus Van Dyke – 5th

Georgia

FB Shaun Chapas – 7th

*WR AJ Green – 1st

WR Kris Durham – 7th

OT Clint Boling – 3rd

*DE Justin Houston – 1st

DE Kiante Tripp – 8th

DE DeMarcus Dobbs – 7th

LB Akeem Dent – 5th

LB Darryl Gamble – 6th

UCF

OT Jah Reid – 6th

LB Bruce Miller – 6th

South Carolina

TE Weslye Saunders (off team) – 5th

OG Jarriel King – 7th

DE Cliff Matthews – 5th

DT Ladi Ajiboye – 7th

DT Travian Robertson – 7th

CB Chris Culliver – 4th

Florida St.

QB Christian Ponder – 2nd

*OT Andrew Datko - 3rd

OG Carl Johnson – 6th

C Rodney Hudson – 2nd

DE Markus White – 6th

LB Kendall Smith – 7th

*LB Nigel Bradham – 3rd

Northwestern

LB Nate Williams – 7th

LB Quentin Davie – 7th

Texas Tech

QB Taylor Potts – 7th

RB Baron Batch – 7th

WR Detron Lewis – 6th

DT Colby Whitlock – 6th

LB Brian Duncan – 6th

Florida

OT Marcus Gilbert – 3rd

OG Michael Pouncey – 3rd

DE Justin Trattou – 7th

DT Terron Sanders – 7th

DT Lawrence Marsh – 7th

LB Brandon Hicks – 7th

LB AJ Jones – 7th

*CB Janoris Jenkins – 1st

S Ahmad Black – 4th

Penn St.

RB Evan Royster – 5th

*C Stefan Wisniewski – 2nd

DT Ollie Ogbu – 6th

LB Chris Colasanti – 7th

Alabama

QB Greg McElroy – 5th

*RB Mark Ingram – 1st

*WR Julio Jones – 1st

OT James Carpenter – 4th

DE Luther Davis – 7th

*Marcell Dareus – 1st

**LB Don’t’a Hightower – 3rd

*Courtney Upshaw – 3rd

Michigan St.

WR Mark Dell – 7th

TE Charlie Gantt – 5th

OT DJ Young – 7th

**DT Jerel Worthy – 3rd

LB Greg Jones – 2nd May fall

LB Eric Gordon – 7th May rise

CB Chris Rucker – 6th Highly doubt he's draftable

Mississippi St.

OT Derek Sherrod – 1st

DE Pernell McPhee – 3rd

LB Chris White – 5th

LB KJ Wright – 4th

Michigan

OG Steve Schilling – 3rd - On the rise, maybe low first

LB Obi Ezeh – 7th

LB Jonas Mouton – 6th

Wisconsin

QB Scott Tolzien – 6th

*RB John Clay – 4th

WR David Gilreath – 7th

WR Kyle Jefferson – 7th

TE Lance Kendricks – 3rd

OT Gabe Carimi – 2nd

OG John Moffitt – 3rd

*DE JJ Watt – 1st

S Jay Valai – 7th

TCU

QB Andy Dalton – 4th

WR Jeremy Kerley – 4th May run great time, 3rd?

WR Jimmy Young – 6th

OG Marcus Cannon – 2nd

C Jake Kirkpatrick – 7th

DE Wayne Daniels – 4th

DT Corey Grant – 6th

CB Jason Teague – 7th

S Tejay Johnson – 4th

Connecticut

*RB Jordan Todman – 3rd

OG Zach Hurd – 5th

LB Greg Lloyd – 7th

LB Lawrence Wilson – 4th

LB Scott Lutrus – 6th

Oklahoma

RB DeMarco Murray – 3rd

*WR Ryan Broyles – 2nd

WR Cameron Kenney – 7th

DE Pryce Macon – 7th

DT Adrian Taylor (injured) – 5th

LB Jeremy Beal – 1st

LB Travis Lewis – 2nd

S Quinton Carter – 4th

Stanford

**QB Andrew Luck – 1st

FB/ILB Owen Marecic – 4th

*WR Chris Owusu - 3rd

WR Ryan Whalen – 7th

TE Konrad Reuland – 7th

OT Derek Hall – 7th

C Chase Beeler – 7th

DT Sione Fua – 3rd

CB Richard Sherman – 7th

Virginia Tech

QB Tyrod Taylor – 6th

**RB Ryan Williams – 2nd

TE Andre Smith – 7th

*OT Blake DeChristopher - 3rd

DE John Graves – 7th

LB Steven Friday – 4th

CB Rashad Carmichael – 3rd

Ohio State

RB Brandon Saine – 5th

*WR Devier Posey – 3rd

WR Dane Sanzenbacher – 6th

OG Justin Boren – 3rd

OG Bryant Browning – 7th

*C Michael Brewster – 2nd

DE Cameron Heyward – 1st

LB Ross Homan – 3rd

LB Brian Rolle – 6th

CB Chimdi Chekwa – 4th

CB Devon Torrence – 7th

S Jermale Hines – 7th

Arkansas

*QB Ryan Mallett – 1st

TE DJ Williams – 2nd

TE Ben Cleveland – 7th

OG DeMarcus Love – 1st- I don't like him

OT Ray Dominguez – 7th

DE Damario Ambrose – 7th

Middle Tennessee

LB Jamari Lattimore – 7th

S Jeremy Kellem – 7th

Miami (OH)

LSU

WR Terrence Toliver – 4th

OT Joseph Barksdale – 5th

DE Lazarius Levingston – 7th

DT Drake Nevis – 2nd

LB Kelvin Sheppard – 3rd

*CB Patrick Peterson – 1st - Not meant to be, but I'll take the W's

Texas A&M

QB Jerrod Johnson (benched) – 6th

*WR Jeff Fuller – 3rd

DT Lucas Patterson – 6th

LB Von Miller – 1st

Pittsburgh

*WR Jonathan Baldwin – 2nd

OG Jason Pinkston – 2nd

DE Jabaal Sheard – 3rd

DE Greg Romeus (injured) – 3rd

LB Dom DeCicco – 7th

Kentucky

RB Derrick Locke – 4th

*WR Randall Cobb – 3rd

WR Chris Matthews – 7th

DE DeQuin Evans – 6th

DT Ricky Lumpkin – 7th

Nevada

QB Colin Kaepernick – 5th- Underrated, he's pretty good

RB Vai Taua – 7th

TE Virgil Green – 5th

LB Dontay Moch – 3rd- Everybody will be awed by his speed...higher

Boston College

OT Anthony Castonzo – 1st

OG Thomas Claiborne – 7th

DT Darnik Scafe – 7th

LB Mark Herzlich – 3rd

Auburn

*QB Cam Newton – 1st

OT Lee Ziemba – 3rd- Jeremy Trueblood Jr...RT only

C Ryan Pugh – 7th

DE Michael Goggans – 7th

*DT Nick Fairley – 1st--Great player

DT Mike Blanc – 7th

DT Zach Clayton – 7th

LB Josh Bynes – 4th

LB Craig Stevens – 7th

Oregon

**RB LaMichael James – 2nd

WR Jeff Maehl – 6th

DE Brandon Bair – 6th

LB Casey Matthews – 4th

LB Kenny Rowe – 5th

LB Justin Paysinger – 6th

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There is no Carl Johnson on FSU.....I think UF has a lineman named Johnson, but I dont recall his 1st name, possibly who you meant.

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There is no Carl Johnson on FSU.....I think UF has a lineman named Johnson, but I dont recall his 1st name, possibly who you meant.

I'll move him in the original post, thanks

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Agreed, he's very similar to JPeterson.

Peterson, in his prime, was very good. If Ayers could reach that level, I would take him.

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It would be nice if the Lions could trade the pick and collect more picks in the first two rounds. They have cornerstone players in place now but need more talent to fill out the roster. I hope the first 3 or so picks are CB and LB

I actually would prefer another cornerstone player as opposed to multiple picks but I don't think we will have a chance at one. The cornerstone players I see in this draft, outside of qb, are Peterson, Fairley, and potentially Green or Quinn. Peterson will be selected in the top 3, Fairley and Green do not fill needs, and Quinn is a big risk.

Trading down is always hard to know because most teams use the draft to fill holes, not build depth, so they are reluctant to give up picks. At this point, I think Amukamara is the most likely scenario that makes sense.

Another guy who I think will be in the discussion for us after the combine is Anthony Castonzo.

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If we can get Peterson, I'd be elated. He's a game changer. The bit I've seen of him, I've been extremely impressed. I've heard he's a top 5. If by some chance we can get him, we need to. We'd be in a lot better shape.

We need depth for LB and DB. We lost Delmas and Spivey and suddenly anybody in the secondary couldn't tackle.

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Peterson, in his prime, was very good. If Ayers could reach that level, I would take him.

Peterson though was drafted #16, which sounds about right for Ayers.

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Peterson though was drafted #16, which sounds about right for Ayers.

I think you can go a little higher than that with Ayers because he is more athletic and better in pass coverage. Probably not worth a top 10 pick though.

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I actually would prefer another cornerstone player as opposed to multiple picks but I don't think we will have a chance at one. The cornerstone players I see in this draft, outside of qb, are Peterson, Fairley, and potentially Green or Quinn. Peterson will be selected in the top 3, Fairley and Green do not fill needs, and Quinn is a big risk.

Trading down is always hard to know because most teams use the draft to fill holes, not build depth, so they are reluctant to give up picks. At this point, I think Amukamara is the most likely scenario that makes sense.

Another guy who I think will be in the discussion for us after the combine is Anthony Castonzo.

Before the Lions didn't have players to build around. Now they got guys like Stafford, Suh and Johnson. Now I think they need to add players who are good like Delmas and Pettigrew. At this point the team can use 2-3 good players instead of taking a chance on getting one superstar.

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Before the Lions didn't have players to build around. Now they got guys like Stafford, Suh and Johnson. Now I think they need to add players who are good like Delmas and Pettigrew. At this point the team can use 2-3 good players instead of taking a chance on getting one superstar.

Stafford isn't a franchise player yet. But I will admit he is being counted on as one. Suh and Johnson are.

You can draft players like Pettigrew and Delmas any year. You only get to draft in the top 5 so often (insert joke here...). I would take another Suh before taking a combination of players lesser players, even if they are good players.

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The Lions aren't going to be picking in the mid-first round unless they trade down. So I wouldn't want them to reach.

But by all means, if they do, I wouldn't mind seeing them draft some fast linebackers. Lord knows they need some.

If they keep winning they could fall as low as 12th I believe, could be down as far as the 14th spot.

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McShay's latest top 5:

1. Carolina-Luck

2. Denver-Fairley

3. Cincinnati-Bowers

4. Arizona-Quinn

5. Detroit-Peterson

I think it will take a miracle for Peterson to fall to 5 but I do find McShay's latest top 5 interesting. The fact that Bowers and Quinn are both game changing pass rushers bodes well for the Lion's because I think defensive end is an option for us.

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I can see that top 5. Carolina needs a QB, Denver has solid CB and Fairley is as good of a prospect (maybe better) than Petterson. Cincy has some CB if I am not mistaken and an elite pass rusher is more valuable. It would come down to what Arizona does I guess.

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If they keep winning they could fall as low as 12th I believe, could be down as far as the 14th spot.

They are 14 teams with 6 or less wins (3 with 6 and 6 with 5 wins). St Louis (6) plays San Fran (5) and Seattle (6). San Fran (5) also plays Arizona (4). Arizona (4) plays Dallas (5). Denver (3) plays Houston (6). I mean everything would have to go screwy for us to pick 12th or 14th and we would have to lose every tiebreaker.

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I can see that top 5. Carolina needs a QB, Denver has solid CB and Fairley is as good of a prospect (maybe better) than Petterson. Cincy has some CB if I am not mistaken and an elite pass rusher is more valuable. It would come down to what Arizona does I guess.

Denver is probably taking a CB if he's there.

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I also think Denver will take Peterson if they have a chance. At this point, I think Peterson and Fairley are pretty much equal and I actually think Fairley may be a better choice for Denver just because I think it is smart to build from the lines out. But my guess is that they would take the cornerback after having so much success with Champ Bailey.

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They are 14 teams with 6 or less wins (3 with 6 and 6 with 5 wins). St Louis (6) plays San Fran (5) and Seattle (6). San Fran (5) also plays Arizona (4). Arizona (4) plays Dallas (5). Denver (3) plays Houston (6). I mean everything would have to go screwy for us to pick 12th or 14th and we would have to lose every tiebreaker.

The only tiebreakers are strength of schedule and coin toss.

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They are 14 teams with 6 or less wins (3 with 6 and 6 with 5 wins). St Louis (6) plays San Fran (5) and Seattle (6). San Fran (5) also plays Arizona (4). Arizona (4) plays Dallas (5). Denver (3) plays Houston (6). I mean everything would have to go screwy for us to pick 12th or 14th and we would have to lose every tiebreaker.

There are actually 15 teams with 6 wins or less, including Detroit. I don't know how winning a division plays into any of the tiebreakers... but 1 of the NFC West teams will have to actually win that division, regardless of the # of wins...

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The Lions move into the fourth pick with Dallas's loss to Arizona last night.

That's obviously going to change drastically since the Lions are going to win their last two games...

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That's obviously going to change drastically since the Lions are going to win their last two games...

If I had to put money on it, I bet the Lions split these last two games.

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There are actually 15 teams with 6 wins or less, including Detroit. I don't know how winning a division plays into any of the tiebreakers... but 1 of the NFC West teams will have to actually win that division, regardless of the # of wins...

Actually, it does; since everyone in the playoffs will pick at the back of the draft. Non-playoff teams pick 1-20, then playoff teams 21-32.

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