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I am so shocked that this was a mistrial.

I thought he'd get off scott free.

Maybe in the next trial.

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It's a shame that one idiot can ruin all that work put in by the prosecution. Not to mention the sacrifice by the other jurors. Such a waste of energy.

They better check her bank accounts.

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They better check her bank accounts.

My thoughts exactly. I'm just glad that the prosecution will go forward with it again.

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Wondering what the jury foreperson and the bailiff were doing while the juror in question was acting up. Seems to me that this should have been addressed. :confused:

As for her being from Auburn Hills, that community has a vast racial diversity living with the boundaries. :wink:

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Wondering what the jury foreperson and the bailiff were doing while the juror in question was acting up. Seems to me that this should have been addressed. :confused:

As for her being from Auburn Hills, that community has a vast racial diversity living with the boundaries. :wink:

One of the jurors allegedly called 97.1 this afternoon. Said the holdout was a nuisance but not a pain until just before they started deliberating. She was late a couple of days (very late last Wednesday in the snow). It wasn't until just before they picked a foreperson (before deliberating) that she started being very obstinate.

He said she wanted to be the center of attention. From my limited experience on a jury, by then the alternate is out of the pool and there is not much you can do.

I agree on checking the bank accounts, there seems to be something fishy going on.

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riddle's tweet from yesterday afternoon:

Musings: Lawyers that won't represent should be cast aside. When is a deal not a deal? You'll know when your lawyers say "be realistic".

samriddle (samriddle) on Twitter

video from courthouse, includes clips of jurors (including "angela" the holdout):

Team Coverage Of Riddle Mistrial - Video - WDIV Detroit

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there is a gag order in this case. i haven't read it, and i'm not involved in the case. but fwiw, i have it on very good information that there was more than one juror who was holding out. i hope the press will do its job and get this story right.

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The irony? The woman who was the holdout juror is from Auburn Hills, not Detroit.

Not true, the article said she was black.

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"What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun. Is there anything of which one can say, 'Look! This is something new'? It was here already, long ago; it was here before our time."

That's a quote from Ecclesiastes, and it's one of my favorite quotes. Whenever discussing Detroit issues, especially race, I always answer, "Oh, there's nothing new under the sun in Detroit."

So it goes.

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there is a gag order in this case. i haven't read it, and i'm not involved in the case. but fwiw, i have it on very good information that there was more than one juror who was holding out. i hope the press will do its job and get this story right.

If so, then none of the jurors have said so. Why would everyone who has talked to the media say it was just one lady?

From just the News and Free Press websites, I've counted six different jurors who were quoted. Did they all get together and conspire to hide the fact that there were more jurors holding out? I saw them interviewed on the courthouse steps, and they all seemed pretty upset.

Also, I know you work in the legal community, but how could you know what happened inside that jury room? What "very good information," other than what the jurors said, could you possibly have?

From what I can see the press has done its job. They talked to the jurors willing to talk and asked them what happened. The jurors told them what happened. The press printed those quotes.

Then the media sought out the holdout to get her side of the story. Her answer was "I don't owe an explanation to anyone."

Sounds to me like they got the story right.

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If so, then none of the jurors have said so. Why would everyone who has talked to the media say it was just one lady?

From just the News and Free Press websites, I've counted six different jurors who were quoted. Did they all get together and conspire to hide the fact that there were more jurors holding out? I saw them interviewed on the courthouse steps, and they all seemed pretty upset.

actually, duane - the first interview i saw (link below) was the jury foreman who said that "at least one" juror refused to deliberate. watching that and other video clips of interviews, i counted 6 or 7 jurors who spoke to the media about deliberations. the others, including ms. woods, the alleged lone holdout, heeded judge cohn's sage advice to keep their mouths shut.

link to videos of juror reactions to riddle mistrial:

Local || WXYZ.com | WXYZ-TV / Detroit | Detroit News, Weather, Sports and More

Also, I know you work in the legal community, but how could you know what happened inside that jury room? What "very good information," other than what the jurors said, could you possibly have?

as i said, "for what it's worth" - there is a gag order, and i'm not going to elaborate until that's lifted. i can appreciate your skepticism, and if you think you've already gotten the whole story, i can live with that. however, i expect that more will come out.

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actually, duane - the first interview i saw (link below) was the jury foreman who said that "at least one" juror refused to deliberate. watching that and other video clips of interviews, i counted 6 or 7 jurors who spoke to the media about deliberations. the others, including ms. woods, the alleged lone holdout, heeded judge cohn's sage advice to keep their mouths shut.

link to videos of juror reactions to riddle mistrial:

Local || WXYZ.com | WXYZ-TV / Detroit | Detroit News, Weather, Sports and More

as i said, "for what it's worth" - there is a gag order, and i'm not going to elaborate until that's lifted. i can appreciate your skepticism, and if you think you've already gotten the whole story, i can live with that. however, i expect that more will come out.

This isn't directed necessarily at subrosa, anybody who knows could answer.

If there is a gag order, do the jurors that are talking and disobeying the judge have a negative effect on the case if it's retried (or appealed- I'm not sure of the proper terminology)?

What's the point of a gag order if people don't obey it? Are there consequences involved for those that do disobey the judge's orders?

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I think the gag order applies to the lawyers, prosecutors, witness, defendant, etc. Not the jurors, who did their duty. I don't think you can tell a juror that they can or cannot talk about the case once their service is over. I believe they are no longer beholden to the judge's request at that point. But I could be wrong.

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"What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun. Is there anything of which one can say, 'Look! This is something new'? It was here already, long ago; it was here before our time."

That's a quote from Ecclesiastes, and it's one of my favorite quotes. Whenever discussing Detroit issues, especially race, I always answer, "Oh, there's nothing new under the sun in Detroit."

So it goes.

I always tended to think of the Greek myth of Sisyphus being sentenced to have the boulder roll down the hill every time he crests the hill. But, then again, Detroit pretty much has never even started to roll the boulder up the hill to begin with

So, I'm thinking Ecclesiastes might be a better comparison.

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I do have a concern that hasn't been mentioned anywhere that I know of.

The trial was in Detroit. Riddle is an African American man. The jury had only ONE African American on it? Is that really a trial by peers? What is the percent of African American population in Detroit? Yet, they could only come up with one black juror? I just find that a little disconcerting. I do understand that the lawyers question and pick the jurors. But still! It doesn't seem right to me.

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The physical location was in Detroit but the jurisidction covered a broader area, that's why this one juror was from Auburn Hills.

Depends on how far you want the meaning of the word peers. Is it just race? What about sex? Income level? Education level? What city you live in? Frankly I think it should just mean a group of people from that jurisidction.

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I think you also need to take into consideration sample size. If I see one group of 12 people and notice that only 1 is AA, that isn't that far out of the realm of statistical possibilities.

Now, it we're regularly seeing a ratio of 1 minority for 11 Caucasians in nearly every trial, then I'd be worried that something a little odd was going on.

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I think the gag order applies to the lawyers, prosecutors, witness, defendant, etc. Not the jurors, who did their duty. I don't think you can tell a juror that they can or cannot talk about the case once their service is over. I believe they are no longer beholden to the judge's request at that point. But I could be wrong.

Thanks, I didn't know that.

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I do have a concern that hasn't been mentioned anywhere that I know of.

The trial was in Detroit. Riddle is an African American man. The jury had only ONE African American on it? Is that really a trial by peers? What is the percent of African American population in Detroit? Yet, they could only come up with one black juror? I just find that a little disconcerting. I do understand that the lawyers question and pick the jurors. But still! It doesn't seem right to me.

It was a federal trial and so the pool would have been all of Michigan east of around I-69.

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what if it were all other races but they consisted of recently retired people who were musicians that liked baseball?

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