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Just a thought or question crossed my mind as I was on my 1 hour commute....

Does having Prince and Hamilton give Dumars flexibility to do a sign and trade for next year? In relation to the big FA's out there?

Example: Toronto signs Bosh to a max contract, which I believe other teams can't, and then trade some combination of Prince, Hamilton and draft picks?

I was just trying to understand my Dumars painted himself into a corner with big contracts particularly with Hamilton, when he knew he was going to disassemble the team.

Thoughts?

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I don't think he did know that he was going to disassemble the team. I think he thought he'd trade Billups for AI. Stuckey would take over at the point and all would be well. AI would come off the books the following year and he would be able to hit FA again.

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I was thinking the same, if Toronto would lose Bosh to free agency why wouldn't they prefer a sign and trade. I know it would have to be a situation where the player would actually want to go. They were hinting at it in an article today, I think it was the Detroit news.

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Even if Toronto were to do a sign and trade for Bosh, there are other teams who have much more desirable assets for them to acquire than Prince and Hamilton.

Dallas and Miami to name two. The Lakers. The Bulls. All of those teams have better assets.

The Pistons may be able to trade Prince, but they would have to take back a bad contract in order to deal Hamilton. Like Biedrins, Brand, or Baron Davis. Nobody wants Hamilton for that money, especially in this market.

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If it comes down to Ed Davis or Greg Monroe at the 7th pick, I take Monroe every day.

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If it comes down to Ed Davis or Greg Monroe at the 7th pick, I take Monroe every day.

The more I read about and watch Monroe, the less and less I like him. Slow footed, not athletic at all, no second or third jump, cant go right at all, poor jump shooter, came into the season out of shape, low release point, high turnover rate, cant create separation on his post moves.

Davis isn't without problems, I just think they are far less than Monroe. Plus I feel Davis has more upside.

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Expert predicts Pistons will draft North Carolina center | detnews.com | The Detroit News

Expert predicts Pistons will draft North Carolina center

Detroit News staff

In his mock draft, ESPN.com's Chad Ford predicts that the Pistons will use the No. 7 pick to select North Carolina center Ed Davis.

The 6-10 Davis declared for the draft after his sophomore season.

Ford wrote: "The Pistons are high on Al-Farouq Aminu (a small forward from Wake Forest), but the last thing they need is another tweener after adding Austin Daye and Charlie Villanueva last summer. Davis didn't dominate as a sophomore, but he's an athletic big man who's active on the boards. The Pistons desperately need a player like that."

The Pistons currently have the No. 7 pick, but could move up or down depending on the May 18 draft lottery.

Ford believes the Nets will pick Kentucky guard John Wall with the first pick. His other top picks: Ohio State's Evan Turner (Minnesota), Georgia Tech's Derrick Favors (Sacramento), Kentucky's DeMarcus Cousins (Golden State), Syracuse's Wesley Johnson (Washington) and Kansas' Cole Aldrich (Philadelphia).

That clinches it for me. If Ford says they should pick him, then they shouldn't.

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Even if Toronto were to do a sign and trade for Bosh, there are other teams who have much more desirable assets for them to acquire than Prince and Hamilton.

Dallas and Miami to name two. The Lakers. The Bulls. All of those teams have better assets.

The Pistons may be able to trade Prince, but they would have to take back a bad contract in order to deal Hamilton. Like Biedrins, Brand, or Baron Davis. Nobody wants Hamilton for that money, especially in this market.

Personally in a sign/trade scenario,I think the Lakers land him with Bynum being the biggest chip (even though his injuries could turn Toronto off)

But I disagree that Miami or the Bulls have better assets. The Bulls have Noah, bad deals (Deng 4yr/50 mil, Heinrich) and a non-lottery first to dangle, Miami has Beasley and that is about it. Personally I think the duration of Rips deal would be thought of higher than Deng.

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Bosh to LA makes sense for both teams, but I am not sure about Bosh himself. He has hinted more than a few times he wants to be the man wherever he ends up. That certainly can't happen in LA.

From Detroit's perspective, it matters little who has the better assets. Bosh isn't coming here. I'm not sure thats a bad thing either. He is going to get a max contract and I don't really think he is a franchise player.

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Bosh to LA makes sense for both teams, but I am not sure about Bosh himself. He has hinted more than a few times he wants to be the man wherever he ends up. That certainly can't happen in LA.

From Detroit's perspective, it matters little who has the better assets. Bosh isn't coming here. I'm not sure thats a bad thing either. He is going to get a max contract and I don't really think he is a franchise player.

This is the truth, he is not coming to Detroit.

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Some of the first reports about private workouts are starting to trickle in.

Rockets to Work Out Six Players

Rockets to Work Out Six Players

Houston - The Rockets will work out six players Friday as part of their NBA due diligence.

The club will get up and close and personal with a lot of players prior to the draft.

The six players who are in town for the session Friday include: center Brian Davis from Texas A&M, guard Demetri McCamey from Illinois, guard Manny Harris from Michigan, forward Latavious Williams from Tulsa of the NBA Development League, forward Jajuan Johnson from Purdue and guard Kelvin Lewis from the University of Houston.

The NBA Draft is next month.

ksl.com - Jimmer's in a New York State of Mind

Jimmer's in a New York State of Mind

May 6th, 2010 @ 12:16pm

Jimmer Fredette's father Al told me today that Jimmer worked out this morning for the New Jersey Nets, and will work out for the crosstown New York Knicks tomorrow.

That will complete Fredette's four-team NBA workout tour; Jimmer will be back in Provo Friday night and is expected to formally announce his decision to stay in or withdraw from the NBA Draft on Saturday--deadline day.

*******

The four teams to request workouts with Fredette occupy the following slots in the upcoming NBA Draft:

Oklahoma City: 21st and 26th (1st round), 32nd and 51st (2nd round)

Boston: 19th (1st round) and 52nd (2nd round)

New Jersey: 1st* and 27th (1st round), 31st (2nd round)

New York: 38th and 39th (2nd round; no 1st round picks)

*Lottery team with the worst record; best chance at #1 selection

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Personally in a sign/trade scenario,I think the Lakers land him with Bynum being the biggest chip (even though his injuries could turn Toronto off)

But I disagree that Miami or the Bulls have better assets. The Bulls have Noah, bad deals (Deng 4yr/50 mil, Heinrich) and a non-lottery first to dangle, Miami has Beasley and that is about it. Personally I think the duration of Rips deal would be thought of higher than Deng.

Noah is better than anyone the Pistons would trade. Hinrich's deal makes him a more valuable player than Hamilton.

The only piece the Pistons have that Toronto would want is the first round pick this year and maybe Stuckey.

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I think Rip might have value to a championship caliber team. Tay is an expiring contract for next year's FA season...his value will increase as the year wears on. I can't see Toronto wanting either guy when there are teams with younger, more talented players that will give them something to build on rather than being the placeholders Rip and Tay would be.

So far as our draft prospects go...I like Epke Udoh if the balls don't fall our way and the top talent is out of reach. I'd take him every day over Cole Aldrich.

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If the Knicks don't get two superstars this year, any chance they'd trade for Tayshaun's deal in order to keep some money open for next year's free agent market?

i.e.: Carmelo Anthony.

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If the Knicks don't get two superstars this year, any chance they'd trade for Tayshaun's deal in order to keep some money open for next year's free agent market?

i.e.: Carmelo Anthony.

They have stripped their roster down so much they have nobody left to trade. They only have 6 guys on the roster next year, so those are the only ones they can trade. The only guy who matches salary with Prince is Eddy Curry. He also expires next year, assuming he picks up his player option this summer. The next highest paid guy is Gallinari at $3 million a year roughly.

So basically they could swap Curry for Prince, but it doesn't get them anything since he expires the same time as Prince.

One possibility is a sign and trade for Lee involving Prince. But the Knicks would of had to have struck out and Lee still be available late in the free agency period, then on top of that you have to convince Lee to sign here. I think the Knicks have a great chance at striking out. The other two things probably wont happen.

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I think Rip might have value to a championship caliber team. Tay is an expiring contract for next year's FA season...his value will increase as the year wears on. I can't see Toronto wanting either guy when there are teams with younger, more talented players that will give them something to build on rather than being the placeholders Rip and Tay would be.

So far as our draft prospects go...I like Epke Udoh if the balls don't fall our way and the top talent is out of reach. I'd take him every day over Cole Aldrich.

I agree with you about Rip. I actually learned to appreciate Rip a lot this year, despite the fact he was injured a lot and had a down year shooting. It is just really nice having a guard who doesn't demand or dominate the ball to be effective. His ability to finish in transition was also highlighted this year as Gordon was just awful at this. I realize he is overpaid but I on a contending team, I think he is worth it. For the Pistons, he is just a bad contract because we are not even close to contending. But even at his age, I would still rather have him than Gordon or Stuckey as my two guard.

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At one point I believed Rip didn't dominate the ball. But its simply not true. When they run those curls for him and the entire team on the floor is setting picks and waiting to pass him the ball, that's dominating the ball.

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Something else to consider.

Ben Gordon's career usage% is 26.9%

Rip Hamilton's career usage% is 26.9%

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Something else to consider.

Ben Gordon's career usage% is 26.9%

Rip Hamilton's career usage% is 26.9%

Usage rate (the way I understand it) just determines how involved you are in the offense. It does not really determine how you are used though when you are involved.

I do think there have been many times the Pistons stand around and watch Rip move while they remain stagnant. This became especially true near the end of the Pistons run as the premier team in the Eastern Conference. So what is the problem in this situation? Rip, the other players, the coaching, or the offense?

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Usage rate (the way I understand it) just determines how involved you are in the offense. It does not really determine how you are used though when you are involved.

I do think there have been many times the Pistons stand around and watch Rip move while they remain stagnant. This became especially true near the end of the Pistons run as the premier team in the Eastern Conference. So what is the problem in this situation? Rip, the other players, the coaching, or the offense?

For two players such as Gordon and Rip who basically just score, usage is a good way to determine if they dominate the ball or not.

It's Rip's fault. He is the one that needs the PG to deliver the ball at a certain spot on the floor at a certain time. He is the one who needs the other 3 guys to set picks to break him open.

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For two players such as Gordon and Rip who basically just score, usage is a good way to determine if they dominate the ball or not.

It's Rip's fault. He is the one that needs the PG to deliver the ball at a certain spot on the floor at a certain time. He is the one who needs the other 3 guys to set picks to break him open.

IMO, you can have a high usage rate and not dominate the ball. Tim Duncan has had a usage rate around 25% most of his career but if you watch the Spurs play, he does not dominate the ball.

I like Rip moving. An offense does not become stagnant by running off the ball screens. The problem with the Pistons at times has been what has been happening with the other parts of the offense while the screen is being run.

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So you agree using the theory Rip doesn't dominate the ball is a silly argument when comparing him to BG? I'm glad we agree then.

As a big fan of Duncan, he does dominate the ball. In a half court set he will get a touch almost every time down the court. For a big man that is a lot. He is/was a fantastic player so he should get that.

I also like Rip moving. Right to another team.

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