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Today my ISP stopped my service. When I noticed my internet was not working I gave my cable company a call to find out what was wrong. They told me it was suspended due to a file being downloaded through my router (uhh umm ehh it was a torrent :pirate:). They told me the exact file it was, and that it was copyright infringement. I kinda played dumb and told them that I was unsure what they were speaking of. They issued me a warning and turned my service back on. They also said if it happens again they will shut off my cable/ internet for good.

Has anyone had this issue before? I guess I am confused as how they know this. And what does my router have anything to do with it? So I cant stream movies anymore? Any insight would be helpful. Thanks.

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I expect it to get worse with the headlines I'm reading about Comcast/NBC/Universal. Not sure of all the details but what it may come down to is if you use Comcast's lines to violate something Comcast either owns or has rights to, then they might just shut you off.

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We send out warnings all the time to users of our networks, it's against the terms of service to download copyrighted material. I get them sent to me on a daily basis from copyright holders, I just send out a warning letter asking the customer to respond within 7 days, it's illegal activity. Usually the parents don't know about it and it is their children downloading movies, usually it's appreciated by the customer and in some cases they discover their internet suddenly speeds up. We don't shut an account off until several violations.

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Great info guys, thanks, much appreciated.

How do I find out if the file is copyrighted before I DL it, aren't they all? I have done some research on this since making this thread and its not illegal to DL the files (torrents) depending on what it is.

In my findings using my good friend google. The bigger issue is what ISP's are doing to "throttle" bandwidth and not providing speeds that they are advertising. Seems that fun governors are doing everything in their power to gain control over what you do on the internet. Probably because they don't have enough control as it is, or not making as much money as they feel they should be. Also a popular site was partially shut down yesterday. Here is a snip from the blog post at that site.

-Unfortunately the court ruling leaves us no other option than to take our platform offline, except for the Content Distribution service. According to the verdict we have to prevent uploads of torrents to ******** that refer to certain titles or to similar-looking titles. We’ve been testing some filtering systems the last couple of months, but we found that it’s neither technically nor operationally possible to implement a 100% working filter system. Therefore, we decided that the only option is to limit ******** to Content Distribution torrents from now on. We are still considering an appeal at this moment.-

Now I do understand that copyright laws are needed and necessary. But what I don't get is why are ISP's (for example) so into spying on what little things people do. I feel there is so much more that efforts could be concentrated on, in general.

Whats next, you wont be able to shares dvd's or cd's with your friends anymore....

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It was porn, wasn't it?

The answer is simple, really. Bandwidth = money. There is a finite amount of bandwidth that any ISP can dish out, so if you limit how much each customer downloads, then you can add more customers to that network without degrading download speeds (or purchasing more servers, etc). It's all about profit margin for the ISP.

Edited by DaYooperASBDT

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We don't spy, they send us the IP and the time, we look up who had the IP at the time and forward the message on. We as the ISP don't want to be taken to court and sued over misuse of our IP space, and as a business we need to respect other businesses wishes with their legally copyrighted materials.

If you don't like it you are free to get your own IP space and buy your own bandwidth or find a provider which allows you to break the law. Every terms of service that I know of in the business states it is illegal to download copyrighted materials that the copyright holder doesn't allow to be downloaded and we aren't in the business of protecting our customers rights to download files illegally. If you have a problem with this take it up with your representative in government or the copyright holders themselves.

We have 10's of thousands of customers we don't keep track of their every move at this time, although at some point the government may require it.

The torrents themselves aren't illegal, some projects/companies distribute their software this way to avoid large bandwidth fees when they release new revisions of software, however the torrents for the latest release movie certainly have the intent of downloading the latest movies/music illegally. This is what 99% of the people using torrent search engines use them for.

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Appreciate all this info, fascinating stuff. But surely some ISP's track usage patterns and can tell if a customer is sucking up a lot of bandwidth, which would suggest he/she is downloading a lot of video, no? In that case wouldn't it be in their best interest to investigate, even if nobody notifies the ISP about possible copyright issues?

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It was porn, wasn't it?

The answer is simple, really. Bandwidth = money. There is a finite amount of bandwidth that any ISP can dish out, so if you limit how much each customer downloads, then you can add more customers to that network without degrading download speeds (or purchasing more servers, etc). It's all about profit margin for the ISP.

Specifically it's an oversubscription model, we currently aren't metering service to our customers although it is becoming a standard representation in the industry. Video companies are popping up and using infrastructure they don't pay for to deliver their content, at some point I fear video may cause us to reassess our current unlimited monthly transfer policy, or bandwidth/infrastructure raw cost may go down. Though the cost of bandwidth seems to have leveled off the past few years, after years of dropping prices.

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We don't spy, they send us the IP and the time, we look up who had the IP at the time and forward the message on. We as the ISP don't want to be taken to court and sued over misuse of our IP space, and as a business we need to respect other businesses wishes with their legally copyrighted materials.

If you don't like it you are free to get your own IP space and buy your own bandwidth or find a provider which allows you to break the law. Every terms of service that I know of in the business states it is illegal to download copyrighted materials that the copyright holder doesn't allow to be downloaded and we aren't in the business of protecting our customers rights to download files illegally. If you have a problem with this take it up with your representative in government or the copyright holders themselves.

We have 10's of thousands of customers we don't keep track of their every move at this time, although at some point the government may require it.

The torrents themselves aren't illegal, some projects/companies distribute their software this way to avoid large bandwidth fees when they release new revisions of software, however the torrents for the latest release movie certainly have the intent of downloading the latest movies/music illegally. This is what 99% of the people using torrent search engines use them for.

Thanks for the info. I guess I am a little frustrated. Kinda feel like I got peeped on.

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Appreciate all this info, fascinating stuff. But surely some ISP's track usage patterns and can tell if a customer is sucking up a lot of bandwidth, which would suggest he/she is downloading a lot of video, no? In that case wouldn't it be in their best interest to investigate, even if nobody notifies the ISP about possible copyright issues?

We track the bandwidth transferred sure, we don't spy on the users traffic. Deep packet inspection systems require a lot of resources for little benefit at this time, since we on the ISP side aren't required to keep it what is the point of us wasting our time/resources worrying about what grandma is doing on her machine. Really we've got enough to worry about, without dedicating resources to tracking users.

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Specifically it's an oversubscription model, we currently aren't metering service to our customers although it is becoming a standard representation in the industry. Video companies are popping up and using infrastructure they don't pay for to deliver their content, at some point I fear video may cause us to reassess our current unlimited monthly transfer policy, or bandwidth/infrastructure may go down. Though the cost of bandwidth seems to have leveled off the past few years.
I would think that YouTube alone must be a huge bandwidth hog. And now you have all these "youporn" sites on top of that.

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I would think that YouTube alone must be a huge bandwidth hog. And now you have all these "youporn" sites on top of that.

I'm talking more about the Netflix service to the XBOX/ROKU type of devices where people watch HD movies for hours in a day, I have a ROKU it's very good and getting to the point of competing with cable, as it adds channel after channel of content. As soon as I can get live channels and HBO on it, I personally will dump comcast.

Video delivery right now over the internet is in it's infancy, in a couple of years I believe we may see some large cable over IP providers which are truly competitive offering networks/viacom and other channel packages.

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I think it's cute that the cable providers take the "if you don't like it then get your service elsewhere" stance. Well open up the lines to allow competition and I'd be more than willing to switch. And I'm tired of hearing the "we invested all this money into dropping the lines" BS. They quickly get reimbursed for the cost.

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Comcast isn't throttling P2P downloads;

"Last year's FCC order required that the carrier stop the more heavy handed traffic management system they were using by the end of 2008. Comcast obliged, and has since implemented a "protocol agnostic" system that only throttles users if they're on a congested node, and if the targeted user is a major reason why."

Comcast Fighting FCC Throttling Ruling - Still claims agency lacked the authority to act... - dslreports.com

Comcast can really only monitor your web browsing IF you install their spyware, which they claim you have to, to make your modem work. That's a lie, I've had Comcast for years and NEVER installed their spyware.

A good alternative to P2P is a NSP (news service provider) which has SSL decryption. That way, Comcast can see your connected to the NSP, but not what you're downloading.

Comcast also announced several months ago that they were going to limit each account to 250GB per month, which is the upload and download added up. They're now coming out with their own meter to let customers know how much bandwidth they're using per month.

Any customer going over the 250GB limit will be getting a warning and will not be shut down until their 2nd offense. Another words, go ahead and download 500GB, get the warning letter and THEN stay within the 250GB limit.

I have my own meter and I've reached close to 100GB in a month. Not every month, I usually average about 60 to 70 GB per month. I haven't heard a peep from Comcast. I've never used P2P but from what I've read, it's just asking to get caught. It's much better to pay a NSP $10.00 per month for access to any content you want, IMO.

There a ton of reading for anyone who's really concerned about this. Check out;

DSL · Cable · VOIP · Security · Satellite · Fiber · News · Tips · Reviews · Community · Tools - dslreports.com

For many real life facts and not rumors....

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I'm talking more about the Netflix service to the XBOX/ROKU type of devices where people watch HD movies for hours in a day, I have a ROKU it's very good and getting to the point of competing with cable, as it adds channel after channel of content. As soon as I can get live channels and HBO on it, I personally will dump comcast.

Video delivery right now over the internet is in it's infancy, in a couple of years I believe we may see some large cable over IP providers which are truly competitive offering networks/viacom and other channel packages.

"Video delivery right now over the internet is in it's infancy" isn't really true. Every possible TV show or new movie is easily available using a NSP to access newsgroups.

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"Video delivery right now over the internet is in it's infancy" isn't really true. Every possible TV show or new movie is easily available using a NSP to access newsgroups.

You can get any illegal tv show you want via bittorrent or rss video feeds sure, they've been out there for several years but the amount of users who do that is a very low percentage. What I mean by infancy is the devices will improve, the programming choices will improve and the codecs will improve, making Video over IP a viable choice for the masses.

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I think it's cute that the cable providers take the "if you don't like it then get your service elsewhere" stance. Well open up the lines to allow competition and I'd be more than willing to switch. And I'm tired of hearing the "we invested all this money into dropping the lines" BS. They quickly get reimbursed for the cost.

Telco's are open, that's how we are entitled to use their copper and colocate in the LEC's facilities. Cable companies built their own infrastructure though, just like we are doing with fiber. They do allow wholesale access to their fiber if you wish, we use some cable co.'s for fiber paths which we haven't run ourselves.

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