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No, it replaces the 2 which is now the backup. My excuse runs like this.......16 GB on Note 2 is not enough, especially with Verizon bloatware. I've been pegged to the top of my internal storage limit for months now. Sick of deleting apps when I want to add one. And I don't think move app to my SanDisk works. Second.....4.3 messed up the 2. Too many screen freezes including one that prevented me from answering a call on Saturday. Barely got the answer swipe to work before it would have gone to voicemail. Reseting the phone might work. But that takes too much time. The 3 solves all this. I can't go smaller than the 2. Everyone I know that has one feels the same. Once you get used to the screen size there ain't no going back. Which pretty much limits me to this phone and one or two others. I would have gladly kept this for another year as it's been my favorite one except for the GB limit. That's my story and story and I'm sticking to it.

The Note 2 is a great phone that is ruined (like all samsung phones) by touchwiz. I could not for a single second use a samsung phone that wasn't rooted with CM.

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Note 3 arrived Xmas eve. It is indeed wunderbar. All this nonsense about about Touchwiz. I'm running Nova right now and there is no TW in the user interface.

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Note 3 arrived Xmas eve. It is indeed wunderbar. All this nonsense about about Touchwiz. I'm running Nova right now and there is no TW in the user interface.

It is still using resources and will eventually bog down. The N3 handles it fairly well with 3 GB of ram though.

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Note 2 never bogged down.

Btw I have nothing against those other phones. Great for women and people with small hands. And fingers. :-p

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Note 2 never bogged down.

Btw I have nothing against those other phones. Great for women and people with small hands. And fingers. :-p

Or guys overcompensating.

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Note 2 never bogged down.

Btw I have nothing against those other phones. Great for women and people with small hands. And fingers. :-p

No, it replaces the 2 which is now the backup. My excuse runs like this.......16 GB on Note 2 is not enough, especially with Verizon bloatware. I've been pegged to the top of my internal storage limit for months now. Sick of deleting apps when I want to add one. And I don't think move app to my SanDisk works. Second.....4.3 messed up the 2. Too many screen freezes including one that prevented me from answering a call on Saturday. Barely got the answer swipe to work before it would have gone to voicemail. Reseting the phone might work. But that takes too much time. The 3 solves all this. I can't go smaller than the 2. Everyone I know that has one feels the same. Once you get used to the screen size there ain't no going back. Which pretty much limits me to this phone and one or two others. I would have gladly kept this for another year as it's been my favorite one except for the GB limit. That's my story and story and I'm sticking to it.

Does not compute. :-P

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It is having wifi problems though. Widely reported...connection reported to be unstable and then it's lost for a short time. Changed to a static router channel and wiped cache. Very intermittent issue. Will need to be resolved or else. Or else I'll get the HTC One Max! Maybe.

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Does not compute. :-P

See what happens when you try to read on a small screen on a small phone with small hands and fingers. Everything was fine and dandy till 4.3. Which happened what, 2 weeks ago? Well at least on Verizon. I could have wiped it but getting a new phone is more fun. Doesn't matter that it's not a Nexus. My Nexus 7 ran great until they rolled out updates and then the thing ran like like a pig.

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It is having wifi problems though. Widely reported...connection reported to be unstable and then it's lost for a short time. Changed to a static router channel and wiped cache. Very intermittent issue. Will need to be resolved or else. Or else I'll get the HTC One Max! Maybe.

Don't do it. The one max is a turd of the highest order.

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See what happens when you try to read on a small screen on a small phone with small hands and fingers. Everything was fine and dandy till 4.3. Which happened what, 2 weeks ago? Well at least on Verizon. I could have wiped it but getting a new phone is more fun. Doesn't matter that it's not a Nexus. My Nexus 7 ran great until they rolled out updates and then the thing ran like like a pig.

The 2012 nexus 7 had issues on 4.2.x because of the poor memory management of the the tegra 2 chipset. Mine flies again on 4.3 and 4.4, not that it ever got too bad running aokp. My concern with a Samsung device (besides the horrible design language that they have committed to), is that they should have known that they were going to be crippling devices with the update, and yet they pushed it anyway. My wife wants to upgrade her S3 now, an the argument that I made to her when she expressed interest in the S4 was that it will eventually get an update, and there is a decent chance you will be in the same position in a year. Samsung either willingly crippled a generation of devices, or didn't care that they were crippling them. Getting another one of their products is rewarding bad behavior.

As far as TW goes, when a skin is bigger than the OS, the device will always have a propensity to become a lag fest. You can either treat the symptom with increasing the specs of the hardware (Samsung's approach), or optimize the software, and include your services on an application level, like Moto.

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Well, I hadn't tried wiping it. I have a friend with a Note 2, he wiped it and all is well with 4.3. He comes from the iPhone world though so he's just in love with the big screen. Doesn't care about widgets or even much in the way of apps beyond the standard ones. I might be tempted to look at the Nexus 5 with the semi large screen and killer resolution. But I don't think Verizon carries it. And Verizon is head and shoulders above the pack in radio reception. MotoX is too small. In any case we'll see if we can't debug this wifi issue and all will be well. If not, the thing goes back. Quite honestly I hadn't done much research....just looking at phones that might be competitors to the Note 2 size-wise since I liked it so much.

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Well, I hadn't tried wiping it. I have a friend with a Note 2, he wiped it and all is well with 4.3. He comes from the iPhone world though so he's just in love with the big screen. Doesn't care about widgets or even much in the way of apps beyond the standard ones. I might be tempted to look at the Nexus 5 with the semi large screen and killer resolution. But I don't think Verizon carries it. And Verizon is head and shoulders above the pack in radio reception. MotoX is too small. In any case we'll see if we can't debug this wifi issue and all will be well. If not, the thing goes back. Quite honestly I hadn't done much research....just looking at phones that might be competitors to the Note 2 size-wise since I liked it so much.

Just a factory reset helped? I might try that with my wife's S3. I might just unlock and root it, now that AOKP is on 4.4. The moto x has the same size screen as the GNex, the phone is just smaller. Moto has really come around lately, and I can see them coming releasing a larger phone in 2014.

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The specs I've read have the Nexus 5 at 5 inches screen size vs. 4.7 for the MotoX. But sometimes those numbers are not reliable. I might take a look-see at a Verizon retailer in case the wifi issues persist. I always appreciated the way Moto built their stuff and their strong radios.

Yes, the boards say a factory reset has a good chance of fixing the freezing/slowness issues. I haven't done it once since I owned the Note 2 so it was probably due for an innards cleaning anyway.

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The specs I've read have the Nexus 5 at 5 inches screen size vs. 4.7 for the MotoX. But sometimes those numbers are not reliable. I might take a look-see at a Verizon retailer in case the wifi issues persist. I always appreciated the way Moto built their stuff and their strong radios.

Yes, the boards say a factory reset has a good chance of fixing the freezing/slowness issues. I haven't done it once since I owned the Note 2 so it was probably due for an innards cleaning anyway.

The moto x is like my GNex and original droid had a baby. The design is GNex curves, with the soft touch back and a bit of a sharper edge on the back of the sides. Nexus 5 is 5 inches, GNex was 4.7 inches. I really like what moto is doing and where they are going.

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Note 3 arrived Xmas eve. It is indeed wunderbar. All this nonsense about about Touchwiz. I'm running Nova right now and there is no TW in the user interface.

settings, notification pulldown, etc

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settings, notification pulldown, etc

Meh......I haven't seen the perfect phone for me yet. Nova hides most that stuff. I agree though. The native touchwiz stays on my phone for as long as I can determine the thing is stable. I even used Apex/Nova for my Nexus 7 though I can't remember why I did that. I don't use it anymore. Which reminds me.....I need to get what I can for it in a trade somewhere.

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Is it still skinned with Blur? Of all skins, this one was the one I hated the most.

No skin. The additional tweaks that they give you are all app based now and in the okay store so that they can add features without having to wait on carrier testing too. I got the kitkat update before nexus 4 users.

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Meh......I haven't seen the perfect phone for me yet. Nova hides most that stuff. I agree though. The native touchwiz stays on my phone for as long as I can determine the thing is stable. I even used Apex/Nova for my Nexus 7 though I can't remember why I did that. I don't use it anymore. Which reminds me.....I need to get what I can for it in a trade somewhere.

The nexus 7 doesn't have a ton of value anymore.

http://swappa.com/buy/nexus-7-wifi

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I absolutely love my Nexus 7. I think next time I'll get a 10" screen though.

It's amazing how cheaply a tablet can be had for now. On slickdeals.net they have some deal on an offbrand for $55. I've seriously considered getting one just to use as a google music player.

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I absolutely love my Nexus 7. I think next time I'll get a 10" screen though.

It's amazing how cheaply a tablet can be had for now. On slickdeals.net they have some deal on an offbrand for $55. I've seriously considered getting one just to use as a google music player.

Those are mostly junk. I would say get a used nexus 7. Google music can use up a bit of resources, and doesn't seem to work really well on bogged down devices.

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Those are mostly junk. I would say get a used nexus 7. Google music can use up a bit of resources, and doesn't seem to work really well on bogged down devices.

good advise, thanks. I'm also considering just upgrading my main tablet and using my current nexus 7 as a player.

It's just incredible to me b/c I remember when devices that played streaming audio were pretty expensive (thinking Squeezebox here....) although the squeezebox has burr browns in it and that's a big deal to me

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good advise, thanks. I'm also considering just upgrading my main tablet and using my current nexus 7 as a player.

It's just incredible to me b/c I remember when devices that played streaming audio were pretty expensive (thinking Squeezebox here....) although the squeezebox has burr browns in it and that's a big deal to me

I use my nexus 7 to play music on the drive home to Michigan. The speaker is strong enough that I can hear it while the kid is watching DVDs on the main system. I even use USB OTG to play the music from a USB drive. Battery usually makes the whole trip too.

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