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You just proved my point..if you were near or at the top of org chart, they would deal with it and rehab you. In many companies you dont even ned to be near the top of the org chart.

Yeah, because of dollars, not compassion though. And I'm not necessarily disagreeing with that either. That's life in capitalism and I prefer it to the alternatives.

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This was covered earlier in the thread. Apparently it's one of those Chili's bar & grill type places, which serves alcohol but is for all ages.

It's a restaurant bar, within the hotel with a price stucture and food selection similar to the Capital Grille..just like Chilli's.. Excellent research again Mr. Reporter. The kid was a frequent patron and was eating dinner with his brother.

But the facts have been twisted all day..

You know what I think? I bet there was a fight amongst the Tigers that nobody is talking about. It's becoming clear this is a defeated, demoralized team right now and I wouldn't be surprised if there was some infighting. But that's just a guess.

Nothing like some good inuendo and made up garbage is there.

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What the hell are you talking about

now, what part of my post did you not get. Show me where I said it was funny, and like I said in the post you somehow did not get, it started because I thought your comparisons were ridiculous.

Against my better judgment, I'm going to try to explain this one more time. I'll type slowly so you can understand:

I was not comparing the incident to suicide. I was responding to Pyro's statement that it's funny that Miguel teased a fat kid because "he's heard worse in school" and "he'll need to learn to deal with this sort of thing when he grows up."

Teasing kids/teens/young people often is no laughing matter. In fact, kids/teens/young people usually take this sort of thing very seriously -- sometimes even to the point of suicide.

If you think that's "ridiculous," and that making fun of fat kids/teens/people is perfectly fine, then I put you in the same category as Pyrotigers.

And if you don't understand what I just said...well, here's a picture for you to look at to keep your mind occupied:

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Against my better judgment, I'm going to try to explain this one more time. I'll type slowly so you can understand:

I was not comparing the incident to suicide. I was responding to Pyro's statement that it's funny that Miguel teased a fat kid because "he's heard worse in school" and "he'll need to learn to deal with this sort of thing when he grows up."

Teasing kids/teens/young people often is no laughing matter. In fact, kids/teens/young people usually take this sort of thing very seriously -- sometimes even to the point of suicide.

If you think that's "ridiculous," and that making fun of fat kids/teens/people is perfectly fine, then I put you in the same category as Pyrotigers.

And if you don't understand what I just said...well, here's a picture for you to look at to keep your mind occupied:

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Wow, your logic is messed up.

So because I dont think telling a teenager that he is out of shape and needs to work out is nowhere near as bad as calling a black person the N word, or tormenting a girl on myspace non-stop with a fake made up profile of a guy that they claimed liked her to the point she kills herself (im pretty sure thats the story you are referencing) then that means I think its funny that it happened.

edit--- decided im not going there

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About the apology, sub rosa's comment that it was textbook is accurate. Apologies, especially public ones, are vastly overrated. The media seems to want the offender to publicly abase himself. There is only one thing I want to hear from Cabrera:

"I will never do anything to impair my performance on the field."

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Well, I can guarantee you that the guy who wrote The News piece isn't a reporter who makes a big deal out of nothing. He's a hell of a reporter who's been doing it for 30-plus years.

And, again -- because you don't seem to understand this concept -- it doesn't matter whether the teen was 19, 12 or 99. There is no scenerio in the world where it would be funny for a famous athlete to tease him about his weight, simply because that athlete gets taunted himself when he goes out onto the field.

I think if a 19 year old taunts a 26 year old professional athlete, he should expect some taunting in return. I'm not saying that's what happened but that's a scenario where I wouldn't feel much sympathy for the kid.

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The quote doesn't appear to be teasing to me... It appears to be a factual statement, and one that could have been beneficial to the kid if taken in the right way.

It's hard for me to form a clear opinion on this because it's possible that the whole thing was escalated by someone looking to get under a millionaire's skin.

However, in the general sense, the face of the franchise really shouldn't be hanging out at bars taking potshots at fat people, whether he meant it well (I doubt it) or in retaliation (more likely) or otherwise.

Regardless of why or how it happened, no wonder the team asked him to stay away from the Townsend.

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Wow, your logic is messed up.

So because I dont think telling a teenager that he is out of shape and needs to work out is nowhere near as bad as calling a black person the N word, or tormenting a girl on myspace non-stop with a fake made up profile of a guy that they claimed liked her to the point she kills herself (im pretty sure thats the story you are referencing) then that means I think its funny that it happened.

edit--- decided im not going there

Ask an overweight person if being told "you need to work out" by a popular athlete, to the point where you have to ask the athlete to "let me be" doesn't hurt. It's the exact same thing as calling a black kid a ******. The exact same thing.

But I was right: it was a waste of time trying to explain a simple concept to you.

So, here; stay occupied:

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Ask an overweight person if being told "you need to work out" by a popular athlete, to the point where you have to ask the athlete to "let me be" doesn't hurt. It's the exact same thing as calling a black kid a nigger. The exact same thing.

And now I know not to take your opinions seriously.

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I think if a 19 year old taunts a 26 year old professional athlete, he should expect some taunting in return. I'm not saying that's what happened but that's a scenario where I wouldn't feel much sympathy for the kid.

Yeah? And if the 19-year-old had walked up to Cabrerra and called him a dirty spik and kicked him in the nuts, then Cabrera would also be within his rights to retaliate. But there's nothing whatsoever in any of these reports to indicate that this happened -- just as there's nothing to indicate the teen was taunting Miguel Cabrera.

It seems you're bending over backwards to invent a scenerio that vindicates him. All we have is one side of the story, true. But, as others have pointed out, this "nothing incident" was apparently bad enough to warrant a talking-to by the Tigers, along with a warning to stay out of that bar.

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And now I know not to take your opinions seriously.

Golly? Really? Gee whiz, I'm not going to get any sleep tonight knowing that you don't take my opinions seriously.

What can I do to redeem myself in your eyes? Just say the word. I hope I can somehow make amends so that I can get back into your good graces.

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But you don't understand: Miguel Cabrera is a great ballplayer! So we've got to defend him, and pooh-pooh any suggestion that he may have done something wrong.

The funny thing is that I asked in Saturday's game thread, what is wrong with Cabrera? That's before I had any clue about the night before. I do think he's a great ballplayer, that's why I didn't ask what did Cabrera do wrong :)

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The funny thing is that I asked in Saturday's game thread, what is wrong with Cabrera? That's before I had any clue about the night before. I do think he's a great ballplayer, that's why I didn't ask what did Cabrera do wrong :)

Well, since he's been here, there's been a lot of discussion about how he seems to give away at-bats and not be concentrating fully.

Right or wrong, this incident will now cause people to question if "outside influences" are causing this phenomenon.

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This picture was snapped in spring training -- just before Ozzie Guillen stuck a hit of microdot mescaline on Miggy's tongue!

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I was heavily involved in this thread about....ohhh....TEN HOURS AGO and some of the same characters who were just as heavily involved as me at that time are still going at this thing pretty strong (no, not country strong).

I'm going to make a gentle, pleasant, unsolicited suggestion. That would be for some of you to slowly back away from the computer, maybe talk to a loved one, grab your favourite snack and (gasp) a beer and do something else for a while. If you're not willing to do that please take a deep breath.

Cheers and good night!

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I'm headed to bed, but before I leave, here's a final thought for the day:

If the Tigers clinch a playoff spot tomorrow, will the Tigers celebrate with Welch's Grape Juice?

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Yeah? And if the 19-year-old had walked up to Cabrerra and called him a dirty spik and kicked him in the nuts, then Cabrera would also be within his rights to retaliate. But there's nothing whatsoever in any of these reports to indicate that this happened -- just as there's nothing to indicate the teen was taunting Miguel Cabrera.

It seems you're bending over backwards to invent a scenerio that vindicates him. All we have is one side of the story, true. But, as others have pointed out, this "nothing incident" was apparently bad enough to warrant a talking-to by the Tigers, along with a warning to stay out of that bar.

I was responding to your assertion that there was no scenario where it would be OK for a professional athlete to taunt/tease a teen. I think there are realistic scenarios where it would be somewhat acceptable.

There is very little information about this incident but I find it very hard to believe that Cabrera walked up to some innocent kid and started taunting him for no reason. I strongly suspect there is a lot more to the story.

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I was heavily involved in this thread about....ohhh....TEN HOURS AGO and some of the same characters who were just as heavily involved as me at that time are still going at this thing pretty strong (no, not country strong).

I'm going to make a gentle, pleasant, unsolicited suggestion. That would be for some of you to slowly back away from the computer, maybe talk to a loved one, grab your favourite snack and (gasp) a beer and do something else for a while. If you're not willing to do that please take a deep breath.

Cheers and good night!

Im out as well, time to get back to studying for my two tests tomorrow

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I've lost all respect for Cabrera.

Sorry, being drunk doesn't excuse you from anything.

The fact is, he got piss-drunk the night/morning before the biggest game of the season at that time (with the opponents), then went home and ended up beating his wife.

I'd be fine if this guy never plays baseball again in his life. I don't want him on my team anymore. I don't care if you're going to try and excuse it by saying "oh he was drunk it's ok," because that's just utter ********. That doesn't excuse anyone from anything.

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I've lost all respect for Cabrera.

Sorry, being drunk doesn't excuse you from anything.

The fact is, he got piss-drunk the night/morning before the biggest game of the season at that time (with the opponents), then went home and ended up beating his wife.

I'd be fine if this guy never plays baseball again in his life. I don't want him on my team anymore. I don't care if you're going to try and excuse it by saying "oh he was drunk it's ok," because that's just utter ********. That doesn't excuse anyone from anything.

omg, did you not read anything in this thread

you know what, nevermind, think whatever you want, its not worth another argument.

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