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That would have been a good argument in the sixties when pitching and defense ruled like never before or after, and Yaz won the batting title @ .301. Today, outfielders need to produce runs in addition to saving them.

Which outfielder on their roster is going to produce runs and save them in Granderson's place?

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That would have been a good argument in the sixties when pitching and defense ruled like never before or after, and Yaz won the batting title @ .301. Today, outfielders need to produce runs in addition to saving them.

Sixties? Really? We just got done with the most explosive era in baseball history. The 80s were pretty defense oriented, too, and I think we're on the way right back there. Defense is fashionable once again and baseball is becoming a lot more fun to watch because of it.

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to point 1) STILL why is grandy batting 7th then? If you don't "platoon" him...move him to 9th where he gets as FEW ABs as possible...I think it was his 1st game batting 7th he still had 5 LOB in 2 ABs. Clutch situations always find him...& he is a rally killer.

OK, so bat him 9th against LHP. I'd probably do that too but I don't see a big difference between 7th and 9th.

.194 for the month of September against (lefties & righties) when we are clinging on to a division lead w/no chance of a wild card...WHY have him in the leadoff spot? Oh yeah & his OBP is .275 so he is getting on base once every other game....not ideal for a leadoff hitter. I'd have him in 7th against righties & 9th against lefties until he can prove himself again.

I wouldn't have a problem moving him down versus RHP either but who are the batters on the team who hit better versus RHP? Certainly not Inge. You like split stats. Look at all of Inge's splits and tell me you want him batting ahead of Granderson versus a RHP. Laird? Everett? You could make a case for Granderson batting sixth but I don't really see many hitters on the team that are much better versus RHP so I doubt it would make a difference. Again, Granderson has been a disappointment but I don't see any alternative line-ups versus RHP which are going make them score more runs.

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Small sample size alert.

Call it how you wish...it's still a perfect pitch situation w/21 swings he fails

So should he not swing and try for a walk or should he swing because those are fastballs right down the middle? Can't have it both ways.

I would prefer he learn how to hit a fastball down the middle but this season just pray for a walk...because if he goes to a 3-2 count & swings he strikes out 40% of the time (wait that would assume he doesn't strike out looking:cheeky:)...and has a .186 average w/a 3-2 count. Yes I know he's walked 27 times but doesn't change the fact he still can't get a base hit...

Putting that aside - isn't it possible Granderson has smoked at least a few balls on a 3-0 or 3-1 count that didn't fall for a hit because they went right at a fielder? With a 1 for 21 batting line, it doesn't seem like he's getting any 'fluke' hits.

Also, supposing Granderson were 7 for 21 instead of 1 for 21 in those AB. We wouldn't be complaining about how he does in those situations, yet it would have neglible impact on the team's success. So it just isn't that significant, IMHO.

A few yeah...but all 20 of them....highly doubtful....

I was just shocked by the 1 for 21....considering it's a hitters count...in comparison Miggy is 7 for 15 w/2 HRs & 6 RBIs thats 6.5% of his RBIs...w/our offense we can use every run...

The more alarming stat is the .171 after 3 pitches in 292 ABs for Grandy:shocked:

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OK, so bat him 9th against LHP. I'd probably do that too but I don't see a big difference between 7th and 9th.

I wouldn't have a problem moving him down versus RHP either but who are the batters on the team who hit better versus RHP? Certainly not Inge. You like split stats. Look at all of Inge's splits and tell me you want him batting ahead of Granderson versus a RHP. Laird? Everett? You could make a case for Granderson batting sixth but I don't really see many hitters on the team that are much better versus RHP so I doubt it would make a difference. Again, Granderson has been a disappointment but I don't see any alternative line-ups versus RHP which are going make them score more runs.

I'm talking temporary gainst RHP...till he starts hitting again....he has been terrible for 3 weeks....& he's not helping the cause...

against RHP it would be Avila & Santiago...& I'd be fine with either of them hitting in front of him at this point.

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Call it how you wish...it's still a perfect pitch situation w/21 swings he fails

If it is such a perfect pitch situation, how come he walks over 65% of the time in it? Doesn't sound like the pitches are all that perfect to me.

Also, it is hard for me to get worked up about 21 AB. I'd be willing to bet that I could find a 21 AB sample size for any player that is unimpressive.

And again, while the BA is horrible in that situation, the OBP is great. Maybe he is largely attempting to draw walks, being a lead-off man an all.

I would prefer he learn how to hit a fastball down the middle but this season just pray for a walk...because if he goes to a 3-2 count & swings he strikes out 40% of the time (wait that would assume he doesn't strike out looking:cheeky:)...and has a .186 average w/a 3-2 count.

I'd like him to hit more effectively as well. I wish EVERY Tigers hitter hit more effectively. I wish Cabrera would have an OBP of 0.700 and a SLG of 1.300. I'd suggest the question oughtn't be whether or not I or you want someone to perform better, rather, it ought to be who ought to be used in his place.

Granderson is really the only OF that can play CF effectively on a regular basis on this team at this time. So really the only question is where to bat him, because he pretty much is going to play, as someone has to play CF. Against RHP, he is not a bad option to lead-off. Who would you have lead-off?

Yes I know he's walked 27 times but doesn't change the fact he still can't get a base hit...

Actually, he HASN'T gotten a base hit, not that he CAN'T get a base hit. I don't think Granderson somehow lacks the ability to get a hit in a 3-1 count.

Semantics aside, it is only 21 AB that we are talking aboout. 21. Are you advocating changing strategy based on these 21 AB? If so, what ought the Tigers do?

A few yeah...but all 20 of them....highly doubtful...

Please find the quote where I claimed that all 20 of his outs on 3-1 counts were on well hit balls. You won't find it, because I never claimed it. I claimed that it was likely that there were some well hit balls that were hit at a fielder, which seems pretty close to what you conceeded.

If Granderson was robbed of 3 or 4 hits, that would have a huge impact on his batting average in a 21 AB sample size.

I was just shocked by the 1 for 21....considering it's a hitters count...in comparison Miggy is 7 for 15 w/2 HRs & 6 RBIs thats 6.5% of his RBIs...w/our offense we can use every run...:

1 for 21 is crappy. No arguments. I would expect most hitters to do well to extremely well in such a hitter's count. But it represents an extremely small sample of AB, I can't plan on when Curtis will go to a 3-1 count, and I don't think the Tigers have a markedly better option in CF or against RHP to lead-off. So while it is interesting to note and comment on, I personally wouldn't use that information to influence strategy.

The more alarming stat is the .171 after 3 pitches in 292 ABs for Grandy:shocked:

I conceed this is troubling. What should the Tigers do?

Edited by Mr. Bigglesworth

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The fact that he's batting .171 after 3 pitches is interesting. Maybe it means he should should be more aggressive earlier in the count. In 2007 when he had his best year, he swung at more pitches outside the zone and drew fewer walks than he did in 2008-2009. Maybe he's not meant to be a patient leadoff guy. Maybe the Tigers know that and told him to swing for more homers this year to see how he might work out as a middle of the order hitter. Just a thought.

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Also, it is hard for me to get worked up about 21 AB. I'd be willing to bet that I could find a 21 AB sample size for any player that is unimpressive.

It's not just the 21 ABs....while those are shocking his 500 plus ABs have yielded a .248 AVG 130Ks (2nd only to Inge, 32 more than Miggy, & 91 more than Polanco LOL)

Against RHP, he is not a bad option to lead-off. Who would you have lead-off?

Until Grandy can come out of his slump...Raburn or Polanco...

Actually, he HASN'T gotten a base hit, not that he CAN'T get a base hit. I don't think Granderson somehow lacks the ability to get a hit in a 3-1 count.
we're both wrong he has 1 hit, but he isn't consistent...:wink:
Semantics aside, it is only 21 AB that we are talking aboout. 21. Are you advocating changing strategy based on these 21 AB? If so, what ought the Tigers do?

1 for 21 is crappy. No arguments. I would expect most hitters to do well to extremely well in such a hitter's count. But it represents an extremely small sample of AB, I can't plan on when Curtis will go to a 3-1 count, and I don't think the Tigers have a markedly better option in CF or against RHP to lead-off. So while it is interesting to note and comment on, I personally wouldn't use that information to influence strategy.

I conceed this is troubling. What should the Tigers do?

I'm not just talking about the 21 ABs...its ALL of them....but there are certain situations he struggles in more than others....he is trying to do too much or something. The sad thing is I'm not sure there is much the Tigers can do....Something is going to have to change...I'm not sure sending Curtis out there on a daily basis & hoping for the best is our best option....Last time he was in a slump Jim gave him 2 days off....Maybe that's what he needs?

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wow...what a weapon we have with Grandy as our lead-off hitter....now batting .174 in Sept....15 for 86

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wow...what a weapon we have with Grandy as our lead-off hitter....now batting .174 in Sept....15 for 86

Are you Ryan Raburn or something? You've got 50 some posts, and I'd bet that half of them have to do with Granderson's batting average.

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Are you Ryan Raburn or something? You've got 50 some posts, and I'd bet that half of them have to do with Granderson's batting average.

with a name like "Cobra" i'm pretty sure he's actually Dave Parker...

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Are you Ryan Raburn or something? You've got 50 some posts, and I'd bet that half of them have to do with Granderson's batting average.

Nah...I just want to win & he's not helping the cause! give him a day off or 2

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Are you Ryan Raburn or something? You've got 50 some posts, and I'd bet that half of them have to do with Granderson's batting average.

Better be careful. He could be Casper Wells.

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