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I'm not completely on the Rodney bandwagon quite yet for being a bonifide closer; however, I do like having a pitcher with a SO pitch in his arsenal. Lyon is good at providing solid pitching to contact, which can be dangerous against pesky teams like the Angels or Twins come playoff time for scattering and playing smallball in the 9th.

So, how deep into the season does Rodney need to be an effective closer before you jump on his bandwagon?

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I don't know why you guys hate Jimmy so bad. Is it because he smokes? Because he doesn't live based on how your religious beliefs lay? Because last time I checked, he's managed a horrible team to first place.

Sit and think about that for a second.

A HORRIBLE team ... you've all said it ... you've all bitched about it.

And yet, we still sit in first place. And **** you if you bring up that the central is a waste land of a division. Still in first.

KC isn't.

Indians aren't.

Twins? Nope.

Sux, uh uh.

The Detroit ****ing Tigers are in first place. And Its BECAUSE of Jimmy Leyland.

Eat that up.

I dislike him because he's old and has never heard of statistics when making lineups or pitching changes. Leyland has always been a product of how well his "hunches" pay off, when things go great (Hello Craig Monroe 06) he's a great manager, when they go bad, his teams flat out stink, and maybe every manager is like that, but his handling of his pitching staff is downright puzzling sometimes. He does a lot of puzzling stuff, like the other night when he brought Brandon in as a defensive replacement in the 7th inning, he's your starter with a bum knee? why in the world would you bring him in as a defensive replacement in a blow out? Jimmy has a history of either having a really good team or a really bad one, and when things start to go bad, they go south fast. The Tigers are in first place because of two things PITCHING and A WEAK DIVISION, doesn't have much to do with Jim Leyland in my opinion

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He said he brought Inge into the game that night because Raburn had a few misplays in the field but but was hitting the ball ok and didn't want him to lose his confidence. Wasn't so much about upgrading the defense as it was to settle Raburn down.

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I dislike him because he's old and has never heard of statistics when making lineups or pitching changes. Leyland has always been a product of how well his "hunches" pay off, when things go great (Hello Craig Monroe 06) he's a great manager, when they go bad, his teams flat out stink, and maybe every manager is like that, but his handling of his pitching staff is downright puzzling sometimes. He does a lot of puzzling stuff, like the other night when he brought Brandon in as a defensive replacement in the 7th inning, he's your starter with a bum knee? why in the world would you bring him in as a defensive replacement in a blow out? Jimmy has a history of either having a really good team or a really bad one, and when things start to go bad, they go south fast. The Tigers are in first place because of two things PITCHING and A WEAK DIVISION, doesn't have much to do with Jim Leyland in my opinion

This couldn't be further from the truth. Leyland actually makes out the lineup daily based upon the stats and matchups. He has the broken down by batter/pitcher performance. It's been discussed ad naseaum. Does he play hunches, you bet, every single major league manager does every day.

all match up data is contained in the dugout.

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He said he brought Inge into the game that night because Raburn had a few misplays in the field but but was hitting the ball ok and didn't want him to lose his confidence. Wasn't so much about upgrading the defense as it was to settle Raburn down.

There's just no reason to bring Inge in with a bum knee was my point

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This couldn't be further from the truth. Leyland actually makes out the lineup daily based upon the stats and matchups. He has the broken down by batter/pitcher performance. It's been discussed ad naseaum. Does he play hunches, you bet, every single major league manager does every day.

all match up data is contained in the dugout.

That still doesn't explain throwing rookies into the 3 hole every night all summer. Or his Bobby Seay hook as soon as a righty got anywhere near the plate.

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I dislike him because he's old and has never heard of statistics

This is a myth and a stereotype. Just b/c he is old and does not know how to turn on a computer does not mean that Leyland doesn't use some stats to help guide his decisions. Against the Cubs, during a potential righty versus lefty matchup for us, Leyland pinch hit Raburn for Josh Anderson b/c the Cubs pitcher actually fared worse against right handed hitters. The result: a game winning HR for Raburn.

Leyland is not a statistical genius but he does have a core set of stats that he will follow to help him make decisions.

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I dislike him because he's old and has never heard of statistics when making lineups or pitching changes. Leyland has always been a product of how well his "hunches" pay off, when things go great (Hello Craig Monroe 06) he's a great manager, when they go bad, his teams flat out stink, and maybe every manager is like that, but his handling of his pitching staff is downright puzzling sometimes. He does a lot of puzzling stuff, like the other night when he brought Brandon in as a defensive replacement in the 7th inning, he's your starter with a bum knee? why in the world would you bring him in as a defensive replacement in a blow out? Jimmy has a history of either having a really good team or a really bad one, and when things start to go bad, they go south fast. The Tigers are in first place because of two things PITCHING and A WEAK DIVISION, doesn't have much to do with Jim Leyland in my opinion

I think Leyland uses stats a lot more than you give him credit for. I know a lot of times when he spot plays guys, if you look at their career stats against certain pitchers (or hitters if they are a pitcher) they have done pretty well against them. He does go with his hunches quite a bit as well, but he mixes stats in more than most know. Is he going to be right every time? Of course not, but he is right more often than he isn't.

Edit: I see others beat me to this.

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still not buying it, anyone who looks at matchups would NEVER lead of Curtis against lefties with his .211/.275/.359 career numbers

He would if he's working under the theory that if he never gets a chance to hit off of them, he's never going to get any better.

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He would if he's working under the theory that if he never gets a chance to hit off of them, he's never going to get any better.

Doesn't he still get to hit off them if he bats 7th or 8th?

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still not buying it, anyone who looks at matchups would NEVER lead of Curtis against lefties with his .211/.275/.359 career numbers

This is why Curtis is hitting. 255 this year. He hits .290 against righties and .175 against lefties. He has been pretty close to that his entire career so far with the exception of last year when he hit lefties quite well.

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He would if he's working under the theory that if he never gets a chance to hit off of them, he's never going to get any better.

Sure, but that's a dumb theory. And it's not like he won't get at bats if he's hitting 9th. One less per game...the difference between a future .650 OPS vs lefties and a .680 OPS!!!

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I don't know why you guys hate Jimmy so bad. Is it because he smokes? Because he doesn't live based on how your religious beliefs lay? Because last time I checked, he's managed a horrible team to first place.

Sit and think about that for a second.

A HORRIBLE team ... you've all said it ... you've all bitched about it.

And yet, we still sit in first place. And **** you if you bring up that the central is a waste land of a division. Still in first.

KC isn't.

Indians aren't.

Twins? Nope.

Sux, uh uh.

The Detroit ****ing Tigers are in first place. And Its BECAUSE of Jimmy Leyland.

Eat that up.

No doubt the team is performing.

With pitching stellar, and fielding adroit, there will be a pennant in Detroit.

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