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I personally hope the contracts are front loaded. This year is not a contending year. Leave as much open space for 2010 in the hopes of landing Bosh or Wade.

Can they even do that in the NBA? I always thought the contracts started out at a certain number and then gave an x% raise each year.

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I personally hope the contracts are front loaded. This year is not a contending year. Leave as much open space for 2010 in the hopes of landing Bosh or Wade.

That's not going to happen. The money is gone...it went to Gordon and Villanueva. There doesn't appear to be any way for the Pistons to free up enough money to sign Bosh or Wade next season.

EDIT: Check that...it could happen if the Pistons move Rip for an expiring contract, like Boozer.

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It can be done...just not as liberally as the NFL.

IIRC the formula is a simple AxB where A is the base 1st year compensation and B is a positive or negative percentage. So you can pay a guy a little more or less than the year before but there are limits. In the NFL you can do some pretty crazy crap with contract front and back loading.

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Can they even do that in the NBA? I always thought the contracts started out at a certain number and then gave an x% raise each year.

I'm not sure the exact rules, but it can be done. Ben did it when he signed with Chicago. His first 2 years were at $16 million and his last 2 at $14 million for a total of $60 million.

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I have no idea whether it's good or bad, but I'm willing to give Dumars the benefit of the doubt. He's had 4 coaches, he's hit on two (Carlisle, Brown) and missed on two (Saunders, Curry).

IMHO, Saunders wasn't a miss. Going to the Conference Finals is pretty good and I would consider him better than Carlisle.

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IMHO, Saunders wasn't a miss. Going to the Conference Finals is pretty good and I would consider him better than Carlisle.

Exactly...

64-18

53-29

59-23

And three ECF is NOT a miss. We just couldn't get over the "hump". For our fan base, the only success is a title, not merely being in contention.

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IMHO, Saunders wasn't a miss. Going to the Conference Finals is pretty good and I would consider him better than Carlisle.

Given the team that they had and the opposition they faced in the ECF, I categorize Saunders as a miss. That team should have been in the finals at least two of the three years Saunders was in charge (if not all 3). He failed to take the team to its potential, in my opinion.

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Cleveland could have beaten any other team in the playoffs (possibly including LA) but Orlando had a matchup situation that Cleveland couldn't stop. No one on Cleveland's front line could step out and guard Hedo or Lewis at the three point line forcing Iglauskas to play less minutes thus forcing them out of their offensive comfort zones.

I don't see how anyone could blame Kuester for that series.

He's not solely to blame for the loss but he absolutely has share a portion of it.

Despite dedicating an entire season to diversifying the offense, they reverted back to Lebron and Bronettes in that series. He averaged 10 points more a game against the Magic than he did in regular season. Kuester had no answer. SVG and staff found weakness and were able to attack it without any adjustments from the Cavs offense. I'm not buying that Z was the lynch pin of his entire offense and removing him destroyed everything they had done last year prior to that series.

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Given the team that they had and the opposition they faced in the ECF, I categorize Saunders as a miss. That team should have been in the finals at least two of the three years Saunders was in charge (if not all 3). He failed to take the team to its potential, in my opinion.

Exactly. He's a miss because they performed below their potential under him. But I think we can probably just type "Flip" into the search feature and find page after page on this topic of this discussion, so I'll shut up now :cheeky:

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I think Flip was a miss in Detroit, but he's not going to be a miss in Washington. There are just different expectations. In Detroit the margin for error on the coaching hire was insanely miniscule. Either he was a coach that won you a championship or he wasn't. There wasn't much of a middle ground. Now, the Curry hiring was completely different. He was supposed to be a new coach that would change the culture of the team and all he needed to be was competent. We all saw how that worked out.

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Exactly. He's a miss because they performed below their potential under him. But I think we can probably just type "Flip" into the search feature and find page after page on this topic of this discussion, so I'll shut up now :cheeky:
I still take a little exception to this. My biggest contention, at least in Flip's first year was that the only reason this team had the potential to get to the finals was because of the changes he made that made us look like world beaters in the regular season. I think most believed that going into that season we were most likely the 3rd best team in the East. That said, he should have gotten us to the finals against San Antonio in 2007, no doubt about it.

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A. Sherrod Blakely on WGHN: Managing Pistons' Ben Gordon, Rip Hamilton will be John Kuester's 'biggest challenge' - Detroit Pistons Basketball: News, Blogs, Photos, Audio, Schedule & Stats - MLive.com

Managing Pistons' Ben Gordon, Rip Hamilton will be John Kuester's 'biggest challenge'

by James Schmehl | MLive.com

Thursday July 09, 2009, 1:09 PM

Pistons coach John Kuester wasn't responsible for handling Rip Hamilton and Allen Iverson's minutes last season, but he likely overheard the controversy it created.

If Kuester is looking to avoid last year's hullabaloo, Pistons Insider A. Sherrod Blakely said the newly-hired coach will have to find a solution that works best for Hamilton and recently-signed free-agent Ben Gordon.

"That's going to be the biggest challenge for John Kuester -- to figure out how to make those guys work well together," Blakely told Ryan Terpstra on WGHN-AM Grand Haven.

Gordon, who signed a five-year deal worth at least $50 million on Wednesday, said he is OK with coming off the bench, but is still competing against Hamilton for a starting job.

"The difference is, Ben is used to playing both as a starter and as a reserve and still being productive, whereas, Allen knows no other way to score, but as a starter," Blakely said.

Listen to the entire interview as Blakely discusses potential free-agent pickups and the possible departure of Pistons guard Arron Afflalo.

"They may have to move (Afflalo) in order to create a little bit more salary space to sign a guy like Brandon Bass, who I know they really want to sign," Blakely said. "There are going to be a couple more moves made between now and the start of training camp."

"(Bass') numbers in the playoffs are better than they are in the regular season -- and everything the Pistons do, for the most part, is geared toward, 'How deep can we get in the postseason.'"

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Honestly I had forgotten about the whole AI-Rip soap opera. Man do I hope THAT doesn't happen again. It's also the best reason I can think of why trading Rip might be our best bet. I'll miss him, though. Really like the guy.

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RealGM: Basketball Wiretap Archives: Brian Hill Going To Detroit As Assistant

Brian Hill Going To Detroit As Assistant

Nets assistant coach Brian Hill is leaving the team for a position with the Pistons, according to reports.

The Star-Ledger in New Jersey reported on Friday that Hill informed the Nets of his decision.

"The toughest part is leaving Lawrence and Rod, who have been so good to me over the years, and I love the guys - we have a great group of kids to work with," Hill told the Star-Ledger.

"So it's a tough decision, but for my own future -- and to help John (Kuester), who I know and respect - I've accepted the position. John's putting together a good staff, and hopefully we have a good enough group to be a playoff team."

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"John's putting together a good staff, and hopefully we have a good enough group to be a playoff team."

This comment is puzzling as I had assumed that Kuester was keeping the assistants from last year and they just needed one guy to replace Dave Cowens.

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