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How on Earth is Adam Dunn a bad fit for a team that has three players with an OPS greater than .700?

I never said he was a bad fit; I said he wasn't the best fit. If we're going to trade prospects to get a player, he wouldn't be my first choice.

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I never said he was a bad fit; I said he wasn't the best fit. If we're going to trade prospects to get a player, he wouldn't be my first choice.

Of potentially available players, who would be your first choice?

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But in Comerica Park, we really should be hoarding good, speedy fielders who are gap-type hitters, not one-dimensional sluggers.

ok, who are these guys and how do we get them on the Tigers?

You can't really say that one specific guy is not preferable because other options would be better without mentioning those other options.

While we are at it can we get a good defensive catcher who handles pitchers well but also hits 20 homers and draws a lot of walks? And we need 2 consistent starting pitchers to chew up innings and not give up a lot of runs.

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ok, who are these guys and how do we get them on the Tigers?

You can't really say that one specific guy is not preferable because other options would be better without mentioning those other options.

While we are at it can we get a good defensive catcher who handles pitchers well but also hits 20 homers and draws a lot of walks? And we need 2 consistent starting pitchers to chew up innings and not give up a lot of runs.

Maybe we should save time and acquire a catcher who is outstanding defensively, and does everything Granderson does..

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I say we quit going after average pitchers. I want a 5-man rotation of Justin Verlanders. Guys like Porcello just aren't that great of a fit. We need aces. Get it done, Dave!

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ok, who are these guys and how do we get them on the Tigers?

You can't really say that one specific guy is not preferable because other options would be better without mentioning those other options.

While we are at it can we get a good defensive catcher who handles pitchers well but also hits 20 homers and draws a lot of walks? And we need 2 consistent starting pitchers to chew up innings and not give up a lot of runs.

Yeah I don't know what good, gap-hitter type defensive outfielders are available and would help. Sounds like he's describing Matt Kemp; he isn't available. Carl Crawford? Probably not.

I think we need to try to pull off the deal where we trade all of our crappy players for someone's good players. Get it done, DD.

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I think we can trade Terry Mills and Lindsay Hunter for what we need.

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Yeah I don't know what good, gap-hitter type defensive outfielders are available and would help. Sounds like he's describing Matt Kemp; he isn't available. Carl Crawford? Probably not.

I think we need to try to pull off the deal where we trade all of our crappy players for someone's good players. Get it done, DD.

I'll throw out David DeJesus' name as that type of player. He's having a below average season right now but he's improved his numbers each month so far. He's a good lead off hitter and great defensively. Stark mentions him as a guy who may be available.

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In order to get Holliday we will probably have to give them Crosby, Ramirez and Strieby. Is it worth it? Of course, if we make the deal and then offer Holliday arbitration, we would get a 1st round pick and a sandwich pick between the 1st and 2nd round.

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I'll throw out David DeJesus' name as that type of player. He's having a below average season right now but he's improved his numbers each month so far. He's a good lead off hitter and great defensively. Stark mentions him as a guy who may be available.

Not a bad idea. I wouldn't pay anything significant for him though. Dayton Moore isn't all that smart though, so I think you make the call.

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In order to get Holliday we will probably have to give them Crosby, Ramirez and Strieby. Is it worth it? Of course, if we make the deal and then offer Holliday arbitration, we would get a 1st round pick and a sandwich pick between the 1st and 2nd round.

I am beginning to have my doubts about how many teams will sacrifice a 1st rounder to sign Holliday for big cash..his arb number will be around 16MM..so be careful offering him arbitration..

I also thinkteams will not pay that significant a cost in prospects without knowing they will get a 1st rounder when he signs..

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I am beginning to have my doubts about how many teams will sacrifice a 1st rounder to sign Holliday for big cash..his arb number will be around 16MM..so be careful offering him arbitration..

I also thinkteams will not pay that significant a cost in prospects without knowing they will get a 1st rounder when he signs..

Well, I wouldn't be opposed to having Holliday in our OF long-term. I'm not sure Ilitch would be willing to take on another 15-million-dollar a year contract. But, if he is, I could see them making that deal and then locking up Holliday either with arbitration, or through a long-term deal. With Maggs coming off the books next year, and the increase in salary for Cabrera, Guillen, Robertson, etc. we are going to have roughly the same team salary next year. If Ilitch is really willing to increase salary, then Holliday might be that guy.

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Someone asked for a trade proposal instead of just saying no to Dunn or Holliday....

So here I go, I think this is a reasonable trade for both parties and would help both parties. I would be interested in your feedback, especially Micro's since I have prospects involved.

John Lannan LH Pitcher Contract – Near minimum

Austin Kearns RH OF 8 million 2009 10 million club option 2010, 1 million buyout

Nate Robertson LH Pitcher 7 million 2009, 10 million 2010

Placido Polonco RH 2B Expiring contract – 2009

Casey Crosby LH Pitcher Projected #3 or #2 ML Pitcher 2011 minimum salary

Freddi Dolsi RH pitcher Minimum contract

Ryan Raburn RH Utility Minimum Contract

8 million cash

Cot's Baseball Contracts

Kearns to Have an Extended Stay With Nats - washingtonpost.com

Robertson, Tigers avoid arbitration, agree to contract - MLB - ESPN

This would give us a #3 or #4 soft toss starting LH who is still young. We have to take a bad contract to get rid of a bad contract both teams hoping a change of scenery helps. Washington gets a good pitching prospect that shold develop at least into a #3 starter and could develop into a #2 starter. Polonco whould play now for them and give them a chance to evaluate if they would try to resign him. Dolsi a prospect/suspect and Raburn, a good National League utility player, has power and can play many positions.

Lannan should be a long term solution as a starter for us and with Kearns, maybe Coamerica will fit his style of game, (doubtful) Kearns can play decent defense.

Thoughts?

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Well, I wouldn't be opposed to having Holliday in our OF long-term. I'm not sure Ilitch would be willing to take on another 15-million-dollar a year contract. But, if he is, I could see them making that deal and then locking up Holliday either with arbitration, or through a long-term deal. With Maggs coming off the books next year, and the increase in salary for Cabrera, Guillen, Robertson, etc. we are going to have roughly the same team salary next year. If Ilitch is really willing to increase salary, then Holliday might be that guy.

The Fielding Bible seems to think he's a pretty good left fielder with a +11 rating in '08. He had a bad April but he's hit well since then. I'd chalk it up to adjusting to a new league. He seems like a good two-way player and with the big left field at Comerica we could use a guy who can cover some ground out there.

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Someone asked for a trade proposal instead of just saying no to Dunn or Holliday....

So here I go, I think this is a reasonable trade for both parties and would help both parties. I would be interested in your feedback, especially Micro's since I have prospects involved.

John Lannan LH Pitcher Contract – Near minimum

Austin Kearns RH OF 8 million 2009 10 million club option 2010, 1 million buyout

Nate Robertson LH Pitcher 7 million 2009, 10 million 2010

Placido Polonco RH 2B Expiring contract – 2009

Casey Crosby LH Pitcher Projected #3 or #2 ML Pitcher 2011 minimum salary

Freddi Dolsi RH pitcher Minimum contract

Ryan Raburn RH Utility Minimum Contract

8 million cash

Cot's Baseball Contracts

Kearns to Have an Extended Stay With Nats - washingtonpost.com

Robertson, Tigers avoid arbitration, agree to contract - MLB - ESPN

This would give us a #3 or #4 soft toss starting LH who is still young. We have to take a bad contract to get rid of a bad contract both teams hoping a change of scenery helps. Washington gets a good pitching prospect that shold develop at least into a #3 starter and could develop into a #2 starter. Polonco whould play now for them and give them a chance to evaluate if they would try to resign him. Dolsi a prospect/suspect and Raburn, a good National League utility player, has power and can play many positions.

Lannan should be a long term solution as a starter for us and with Kearns, maybe Coamerica will fit his style of game, (doubtful) Kearns can play decent defense.

Thoughts?

Wait, so what exactly are the Nats getting out of this deal? Crosby and some cash? They need and are looking for high-upside guys. Dolsi and Raburn are not that. They won't want Polanco because he's aging. They don't even get any money out of the deal, on second look. Considering Lannan is already producing at the major league level, and is young, I highly doubt they'd want to trade him for a prospect.

If you want to trade Crosby to the Nats, I'd see what else I can throw in and get a sense of what they want for Dunn. Crosby is a high-upside, valuable prospect for sure. If you package him with a few other solid prospects, that might be enough to snag us a new DH. Maybe.....Crosby/Satterwhite/Brown for Dunn?

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The Fielding Bible seems to think he's a pretty good left fielder with a +11 rating in '08. He had a bad April but he's hit well since then. I'd chalk it up to adjusting to a new league. He seems like a good two-way player and with the big left field at Comerica we could use a guy who can cover some ground out there.

The problem with Holliday isn't so much his ability. He'll play a solid outfield and he'll produce probably around an .850 OPS. There's definitely a spot on this team for that. The problem is that Billy Beane likes to fleece teams in deals, and their price will probably be too high.

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Wait, so what exactly are the Nats getting out of this deal? Crosby and some cash? They need and are looking for high-upside guys. Dolsi and Raburn are not that. They won't want Polanco because he's aging. They don't even get any money out of the deal, on second look. Considering Lannan is already producing at the major league level, and is young, I highly doubt they'd want to trade him for a prospect.

If you want to trade Crosby to the Nats, I'd see what else I can throw in and get a sense of what they want for Dunn. Crosby is a high-upside, valuable prospect for sure. If you package him with a few other solid prospects, that might be enough to snag us a new DH. Maybe.....Crosby/Satterwhite/Brown for Dunn?

Actually, I have no interest in Dunn. When I lived in columbus, I watched a lot of Reds games and Dunn is a total liability in the field. As a Tiger fan, I want to get away from players that can only DH. I think it ties up your Roster to much. I can barely stand Thames for that reason altho, I have to say he has played passable LF the last two nights.

You may be right on my proposal for Lannan. My thought process from the National's perspective was that I get a high upside prospect in Crosby, I have little risk in Robertson who may turn around with a change of scenery. Dolsi may prove to be an average middle reliever, Raburn gives me a good bench guy and Polonco is a former all-star with an expiring contract. Run Polonco out there everyday see how he performs and maybe have an inside track if I want to resign him.

In Lannan, I give up a good young lefthander with minimal upside. He is and probably will always be #4 or #5 starter. He will eat innings tho, which is valuable.

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Actually, I have no interest in Dunn. When I lived in columbus, I watched a lot of Reds games and Dunn is a total liability in the field. As a Tiger fan, I want to get away from players that can only DH. I think it ties up your Roster to much. I can barely stand Thames for that reason altho, I have to say he has played passable LF the last two nights.

You may be right on my proposal for Lannan. My thought process from the National's perspective was that I get a high upside prospect in Crosby, I have little risk in Robertson who may turn around with a change of scenery. Dolsi may prove to be an average middle reliever, Raburn gives me a good bench guy and Polonco is a former all-star with an expiring contract. Run Polonco out there everyday see how he performs and maybe have an inside track if I want to resign him.

In Lannan, I give up a good young lefthander with minimal upside. He is and probably will always be #4 or #5 starter. He will eat innings tho, which is valuable.

Of course Dunn is a field liability. But we don't have an impact DH, we don't really have any DH. We have Thames, who is kinda good, and crap. What the Tigers need to get away from is players who suck balls at the plate.

Dolsi and Raburn just aren't players you trade for. Dolsi especially doesn't have any value right now cause he's getting shelled at AAA. Raburn is a good bench guy, but the Nats have plenty of bench guys (problem of course is that their bench guys are starting). Robertson's problems are far beyond a change of scenery. And while Polanco is a quality player with trade value, he doesn't do much for the Nats because he won't be around and playing well when the Nats can actually build a good team 4 years from now. I actually think a Polanco for Lannan type deal could work for a team in contention though, so it's something to consider.

Admittedly, I don't know much about Lannan, his potential or his stuff. Maybe they would offer him up for Crosby, it'd all depend on what the Nats think of his stuff vs. Lannan's stuff, obviously. If Lannan is just going to be an innings eating #4 lefty stater, with minimal upside, then I wonder if he's worth giving up Crosby for.

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With Manny starting a conditioning stint in Albuquerque this week, is Juan Pierre available, and would we be interested in him? At what cost?

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There's no point in naming names to trade for, mostly because the thread police around here will bash you for doing so, not to mention, no one actually knows the cost of any given player, so the only thing we can honestly hope for is that MI will give DD the ammunition to make something happen that better this team for the playoff push.

To do otherwise, while fun .. sure, isn't well received around these here parts.

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There's no point in naming names to trade for, mostly because the thread police around here will bash you for doing so, not to mention, no one actually knows the cost of any given player, so the only thing we can honestly hope for is that MI will give DD the ammunition to make something happen that better this team for the playoff push.

To do otherwise, while fun .. sure, isn't well received around these here parts.

I have noticed this to but I am not going to let it deter me. 90% of the reason I visit message boards is to talk about ways the team could improve.

The DeJesus idea makes a lot of sense. He is a step up from Anderson, Kelly, Thomas, Raburn, etc. I think the Royals will trade him for a B level prospect but maybe not to a team inside their division.

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Ryan Spilborghs? Lifetime BA, .295 -- and a .823 career OPS. :classic:

Seriously, he's not a terrible defensive outfielder who probably wouldn't cost a whole lot. Not much power, but overall he's done well when given the chance, although he's having an off year.

His name has been mentioned in trade rumors. The Tigers at one time were even rumored to be interested in him.

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With Manny starting a conditioning stint in Albuquerque this week, is Juan Pierre available, and would we be interested in him? At what cost?

because just like Benke says..we bash every name..Pierre although he has had a great 6 weeks..is typically a Josh Anderson on steroids.. without the defense..wow..I threw up in my mouth just thinking about that..translation..weak fielder, rarely walks..singles only..low OBP..low SLG..horrible arm..oh yeah..very expensive contract....otherwise..excellent player.

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Ryan Spilborghs? Lifetime BA, .295 -- and a .823 career OPS. :classic:

Seriously, he's not a terrible defensive outfielder who probably wouldn't cost a whole lot. Not much power, but overall he's done well when given the chance, although he's having an off year.

His name has been mentioned in trade rumors. The Tigers at one time were even rumored to be interested in him.

We need him again..why..

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