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Detroit Pistons conclude biggest week of workouts

by A. Sherrod Blakely

Friday June 12, 2009, 3:18 PM

AUBURN HILLS - It's a busy time of year for the Detroit Pistons, who brought in 31 players - the most they have brought in up to this point - for workouts this week.

George David, Detroit's director of player personnel, said this week's workouts covered players under consideration for Detroit's No. 15 pick, as well as the team's three picks in the second round.

Some of the likely first-round picks brought in this week include 6-10 small forward Earl Clark of Louisville; 6-10 power forward Tyler Hansborough of North Carolina; 6-7 power forward Dejuan Blair of Pitt; and 7-1 center B.J. Mullens of Ohio State.

Among the potential second-round picks brought in, players to keep an eye on include

6-2 combo guard Tony Douglas of Florida State; 6-9 forward DaJuan Summers of Georgetown; 7-1 center Luke Nevill of Utah; 6-2 point guard A.J. Price of UConn; and 6-5 shooting guard Sergei Gladyr of the Ukraine.

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RealGM: Basketball Wiretap Archives: Jennings: Rubio Is Overhyped

Jennings: Rubio Is Overhyped

Brandon Jennings believes fellow 2009 draftee Ricky Rubio is an overhyped prospect.

"Well, put it like this: If he was in a workout with me [and fellow point-guard prospects] Jonny Flynn, Jrue Holiday, Tywon Lawson, Stephen Curry, he wouldn't probably be at the top," Jennings said Friday.

When asked if he thought Rubio, who has received great attention but has not worked out for NBA teams, is all hype, he said without hesitation, "Yes. Because he played in the Olympics, he's been playing pro ball since he was like 14. So there it is right there. ... I can't wait to play him, though, in summer league. I'm just letting you know that now. I can't wait.

"Yeah, I think I'm a better player than he is. I just shoot the ball better than he can. The only thing I've seen him do sometimes is when he has a home-run pass or something like that. I think the dude is just all hype. I can't even front. I'm just going to be real with you guys."

Someones stock is tumbling, and he is trying to make himself look better. Look at what Jennings had to say about Rubio a few months ago:

Barcelona, Spain Trip & Euro League Game | When in Rome

Now to what everyone wants to hear about, the game and the matchup with Ricky. Unfortunately Ricky only played about 8mins cause he’s still kind of hurt from a wrist injury he suffered in the Gold Medal game vs. Team USA, but in just 8mins he showed me a lot. I have a ton of respect for the dude. He’s real mature out there on the court, he has a great feel for the game. He passes the ball like crazy, reminds me of Steve Nash a little bit. Put it like this if he were in the class of 09 in high school basketball he would be the #1 player hands down. No question about it. I can only hope that when Ricky and I one day get to the NBA we can be like Chris Paul and Deron Williams, as our careers take off together like CP3 & D Will’s did. Despite what the critics say that he can’t shoot Ricky is going to be going a Great NBA player someday…he brings a complete game to the table.

Eh?

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Let me preface this as I always do in this thread: I know nothing about college players and get my little info from youtube videos and draft sites.

That said, isn't Earl Clark yet another player who'll try to finish with finesse from a power position. He'll fade away or lay the ball up instead of going strong, creating contact, and finishing at the line. I guess if he can play SF, I'd be intersted, but other than that I'd like to see us go after power and defense. I'm so tired of soft players that fade away, especially at the PF or C position.

HoopsHype says. . .I'm not sure how he can be called a terrific defender in one breath and lacking in mental and physical toughness in the next.

A versatile 4/3 with great natural tools and considerable potential.

Has a great frame and is a superb athlete. Likes to face the basket and put the ball on the floor, showing nice court vision. Can score around the rim moving off the ball or beating players in the post thanks to his quickness.

Has a very inconsistent jumper, and poor shot-selection to boot. Solid rebounder and terrific defender at either forward spot. Lacks considerable polish offensively and isn't as prolific a scorer as you might hope. Has

a tendency to coast at times and appears to lack mental and physical toughness.

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RealGM: Basketball Wiretap Archives: Jennings: Rubio Is Overhyped

Someones stock is tumbling, and he is trying to make himself look better. Look at what Jennings had to say about Rubio a few months ago:

Barcelona, Spain Trip & Euro League Game | When in Rome

Eh?

Good find on that quote from Jennings earlier in the year. That makes lose some respect for him.

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RealGM: Basketball Wiretap Archives: Jennings: I'm Just Trying To Hype The Draft

Jennings: I'm Just Trying To Hype The Draft

Brandon Jennings used his Twitter page to explain his recent comments about fellow prospect Ricky Rubio.

Jennings said earlier this week that he felt as though Rubio was underrated.

"With my comment bout Rubio, im just tryin hype the draft up a lil, make the summer league something everybody wanna see," Jennings wrote.

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Austin Daye, Omri Casspi Battle in NJ

Comments from observers in the gym:

“Austin Daye vs. Omri Casspi turned into a real wrestling match. Casspi just manhandled Daye, really threw him around. It was a bit disappointing to see how little Daye was able to compete from a strength perspective—Casspi is a kind of a skinny guy himself. At one point Casspi cut Daye’s lip open--he had to go to hospital for stitches. The Nets should have done a better job of getting someone to call fouls. Casspi was fouling the hell out of Daye. Some of the guys were looking at each other like ‘what are we watching here?’

Casspi was impressive, just like he’s been everywhere he’s gone. He plays hard, competes. He hit tough shots. Step-backs, runners. Then he missed some wide open J’s—go figure. He hits the toughest shots, but can’t always make the easiest ones. He looked like he could be a great complementary player in a 5 on 5. Definitely an atypical player for a European. “

Should also be noted. Today is the last day to pull out of the draft.

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DraftExpress: Word on the Street, June 16th

Scattered Rumors

-The Sacramento Kings are doing their best to convince people that they have Tyreke Evans at the top of their board, even going as far as to tell Evans as much in their workout last week. Most NBA people we speak to believe that this is nothing more than them “blowing smoke" in order to give themselves a backup plan in case Rubio is gone at #2 or #3, and also to “stir the pot” amongst Rubio’s camp. The Kings would very likely want Rubio to work out for them rather than just conduct a meet and greet, but as of right now there are no plans for that.

-In the unlikely case that Rubio slips past Sacramento, it appears that Washington will not hesitate to pick him if they feel like he’s indeed the best player on their draft board. The prevailing sentiment at the moment is that Rubio is not in a position to return to Joventut, and that he may have lost some of the leverage he once had by keeping his name in the draft and suing his former team.

Many feel like Rubio would be a good fit in Washington playing alongside Gilbert Arenas, but Rubio’s camp apparently does not agree with that notion at all.

-Don’t be surprised to see players start working out for teams that appear to be slightly outside their draft range on first glance, in hopes of finding the best possible fit. Jrue Holiday for example is working out for the Indiana Pacers at #13, while James Johnson will be in Salt Lake City next week working out for the Jazz, who hold the #20 pick.

-We’re hearing that DeJuan Blair is in pretty good shape at the moment, and he continues to have very strong workouts that are easing the concerns teams have about his knee. Blair’s draft range looks pretty steady between 12 and 16, although he will work out for teams above and below those picks. Don’t be surprised to see a team like Oklahoma City or Portland try to make a move for him on draft night, as both organizations are reportedly very high on him.

-Does B.J. Mullens have a promise from Chicago at 16? That doesn’t seem to make a great deal of sense considering that he’s working out for Philadelphia at 17 later this week…The talk of a promise started once Mullens pulled out of the New Jersey Nets group workout, but it’s possible he just didn’t want to deal with the prospect of matching up with Luke Nevill again. Mullens really struggled in the two previous group workouts that they went head to head.

-The Oklahoma City Thunder are reportedly in Los Angeles right now visiting with Hasheem Thabeet and watching him work out.

-Earl Clark is having some very strong workouts as of late, and is rising back up teams’ draft boards. He was very good in Minnesota apparently, and is strongly in the mix in New Jersey (#11), Charlotte (#12), Phoenix (#14) and Detroit (#15).

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What's a tiny little liver transplant or a mere aneurysm when your GM drafts Narcoletpics?

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Moreau: Four You Can't Ignore

Neither Orlando's Courtney Lee nor Miami's Mario Chalmers got much of the pre-draft hype in 2008. They weren't blowing up message boards or garnering much attention in the mock-draft world. But, both ended up being steals on draft night by becoming starters on playoff teams in their rookie seasons.

Lee came from a mid-major college program, and fought his way up the draft board in the weeks prior to the 2008 NBA draft. He was drafted #22 by the Orlando Magic, battled his way into the starting lineup by mid-season, and was a starter in the 2009 NBA Finals. He averaged 8.4 points and was the perimeter defensive stopper for the second-best team in the league. Lee was the last rookie standing in the NBA this season.

Mario Chalmers slipped all the way to the second round in last year's draft, picked 34th by Minnesota, then traded to Miami for cash and two second-rounders this year. All he did in his rookie year was start all 82 games for the playoff-bound Miami HEAT at the point, averaging 10.0 points per game, and was fourth in the NBA in steals.

There are four players in this year's draft whom I think could be like Lee and Chalmers - players taken in the late first or early second round who may not get the hype, but who could become starters in the NBA in their rookie year and play valuable roles on a playoff team. GM's, these are players you pass on at your own risk.

Toney Douglas – Florida State, Guard

You just can't tell me that there are half a dozen or so point guards in this draft better than Toney Douglas. He carried his Florida State team to the ACC Final and into NCAA tournament, scoring 25, 27, 28 and 26 in his last four college games. With every opponent's defensive game plan geared to stop him, Douglas just hit big shot after big shot on the game's most crucial possessions and willed the Seminoles into the NCAA's. And Douglas was also the ACC Defensive Player of the Year, and that combination of scoring and defense gives him immense value at the point in the NBA. When you look at character, leadership, toughness, etc., nobody on the board rates any higher than he does. He has Derek Fisher written all over him.

Sam Young – Pittsburgh, Forward

He was the leading scorer for the best team in college basketball for most of the year, averaging 19.2 pts for the Pitt Panthers. But the most impressive thing about Young is that he got better in the season's biggest games at the end of the year, and didn't have one of those clunker nights in the NCAA tournament that a lot of good players have. Young averaged 21.3 points on 50% shooting in the Big East tournament and scoring 32, 19 and 28 in the last three games of the NCAA tournament on 54% shooting. He's athletic, strong, tough and can defend. You could lose your job for passing on this guy, and he starts by mid-season wherever he goes.

Jermaine Taylor – Central Florida, Guard

Taylor averaged 26.2 points per game in his senior year at UCF on 48% shooting, and in my opinion, was the best player at the Portsmouth Invitational. It was my first time really seeing him up close, and he already had the look of a scoring, NBA two-guard. Although he is a high volume shooter, his ability to attack the rim, get to the line, and score in the mid-range are all premiums in the NBA. He had a four-game stretch in February in which he scored 38, 35, 35 and 45 points. Although his UCF team didn't get any NCAA tournament attention as Lee's Western Kentucky team did, Taylor could very easily be a double-figure scorer off the bench for a good team in his rookie year. If your team is offensively challenged, you will regret letting this guy slip by you on draft night.

DeMarre Carroll – Missouri, Forward

Carroll was the leading scorer and rebounder for a tough, physical Missouri team that made a great run to the regional finals in the NCAA tournament. He was also one of the better players in Portsmouth, and he embodies all of the traits of a blue collar, hard working player who will just find ways to make plays. He's one of those guys teams pass on because he doesn't fit a mold - one of those tweener forwards. If you get tangled up in all that "is he a 3 or a 4" talk, you miss that he just competes, plays hard, and finds ways to help you win. Forget about whether his jumper is pure – his heart and toughness is what will get him on the floor. If he ends up as some kind of Chuck Hayes / Renaldo Balkman hybrid, then you have yourself a pretty good player. And, you look like a genius.

If these players are on the board in this year's draft, GM's better think long and hard before passing on them. Otherwise, next year while they are, once again, preparing to make another bad pick in the draft lottery, they could be thinking about what might have been while they watch these players contribute to their teams in the NBA playoffs.

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I'd love Douglas (or Marcus Thornton) with our first pick in the second round. I wouldn't mind Young there, either, but I think he'll be gone in the first.

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Can't rule out trade of first-round pick for Pistons | Freep.com | Detroit Free Press

Can't rule out trade of first-round pick for Pistons

As the Pistons hold final predraft workouts for prospects this week at their practice facility, there's one thing to remember -- they still might trade their first-round draft pick.

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That's not exactly major news, as president of basketball operations Joe Dumars responded in the affirmative after the season when asked whether he would be open to trading the No. 15 pick of the first round. The draft is Thursday night in New York.

The reasoning is simple -- why draft a player who you think might be able to help you when you can take the savings from a first-round selection's guaranteed money and apply it to helping pay for an established veteran acquired in free agency or via trade?

Last year's 15th selection, Suns center Robin Lopez, made $1.6 million last season.

Trade out of the first round and that's about $1.6 million you can apply to the roughly $20 million of cap space the team already has. That little extra could make all the difference when it comes to acquiring talent when free agency starts July 1.

The one snag is that other teams are looking to trade out of the first round as well -- the economy has franchises looking to save money wherever possible.

Free Press sports writer Vince Ellis will answer readers’ questions at 2 p.m. Monday at freep.com/sports. Vince will focus on the upcoming NBA draft and free-agency periods.

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Pistons enter NBA draft with roster questions - Detroit Pistons Basketball: News, Blogs, Photos, Audio, Schedule & Stats - MLive.com

Pistons enter NBA draft with roster questions

by A. Sherrod Blakely

Saturday June 20, 2009, 12:30 AM

AUBURN HILLS -- Decisions, decisions, decisions.

The Detroit Pistons have the 15th pick in Thursday's NBA draft and could keep it. Or, they could trade it along with a current Piston for a higher pick. Moving down in the first round to acquire additional picks isn't entirely out of the question, either.

"There's a variety of directions you can go," said George David, Detroit's director of player personnel. "From now until June 25, it's about exploring those options and going from there and see what's best for us."

In past drafts, there was guarded optimism surrounding the player Detroit selected in the first round because of its established core.

But the core group that carried the Pistons to NBA elite status for so many years no longer exists.

Team captain and 2004 NBA Finals MVP Chauncey Billups was traded to Denver in November. Starters Rasheed Wallace and Antonio McDyess are free agents this summer, with both likely to play elsewhere next season.

Richard Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince are back, but for how long?

Both are on the trading block as the Pistons look to add a low post threat who will help them rebound from the franchise's first losing season since 2001.

Because of the uncertainty surrounding Detroit's roster, it makes it even tougher to lock in on what the Pistons need from Thursday's draft to bolster a roster coming off the franchise's first losing season since 2001.

In recent weeks, the Pistons have shuttled in dozens of players of varying sizes, strengths and skill sets to the team's practice facility.

In addition to their first-round pick (No. 15 overall), the Pistons have three second-round picks (No. 35, No. 39 and No. 44).

Some of the more notable players to work out for Detroit expected to get some consideration at No. 15 include Louisville's Earl Clark and Terrence Williams, UNC's Tyler Hansbrough and Ty Lawson, VCU's Eric Maynor, Gonzaga's Austin Daye, Pittsburgh's Dejuan Blair and Ohio State's B.J. Mullens.

David said figuring out who they would want to select with the first-round pick has yet to be determined.

"We've had all the workouts. Now, it's time to sit down and look and see which players will be the best fits for us," he said.

How players perform on the court during workouts is important, but David said other factors will play a part as team officials develop a short list of prospects.

"The visits really help us narrow the pool in general -- not just for the 15th pick," David said. "You get a better idea of how a certain player will fit in with your culture, which, as you know, is about more than just what you do on the court."

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I don't see any players in this draft that really wow me, but this team needs more than 1-2 free agents to climb back in & challenge the Cavs & Magic in years to come. If they spend a 2nd round pick on a guy like Hansbrough I'd be okay with that. I don't think it makes any sense to move up in this draft, `cuz #15 may be just as good as #5 - & given the fact that so many guards are expected to be taken early, it slides the big man talent down a little.

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Report: Pistons give B.J. Mullens a draft promise - Full-Court Press

Report: Pistons give B.J. Mullens a draft promise

Posted by Dave Dial June 19, 2009 18:41PM

Aran Smith of NBADraft.net is reporting that the Detroit Pistons have made a promise to B.J. Mullens to select him with the 15th pick if he is still there when Detroit selects.

June 19, NBADraft.net: Two different sources have indicated to NBADraft.net on Friday that the Pistons have a promise in place to take BJ Mullens if he's available to the them at 15.

Mullens works well with the rebuilding Pistons as he's a player with significant upside but will take time to become a contributor. With the Pistons in the process of rebuilding their squad, Mullens offers them a potential center for the future.

When rumors that the Pistons gave Rodney Stuckey a promise to draft him at #15 two years ago surfaced, The Pistons denied the rumor. Keith Langlois even wrote that the promise was not true, although he did pick Stuckey as the Pistons draft choice.

No, the Pistons did not make Stuckey a guarantee that they would draft him at No. 15, as was reported a few weeks ago. That was a rumor started by an agent who hoped to take that news to Stuckey in order to win him as a client; Stuckey chose a different agent, regardless.

But he makes a lot of sense for the Pistons in that Stuckey is seen as someone who could play both backcourt positions. His strength is his ability to get to the basket, an area where the Pistons have a void. That was the reason they signed Flip Murray last summer. Stuckey is potentially a vastly improved version of Murray.

So don't expect Detroit to come out and admit a promise, even if they have given one. On the same note, before you take a promise as gospel, wait for other sources to confirm that this is true.

Also in that article is other Piston news.

Expect a flurry of action on draft night, which has become the norm in recent years, and a number of first and second rounders to be sold and traded.

Teams with multiple picks such as Sacramento (23), Oklahoma City (25) and Chicago (26) are all looking to sell their picks according to sources. While three other teams would like to buy picks late in the first round: San Antonio, Detroit and Houston.

Joe Dumars has his eye on Toney Douglas and would like to pick up a late first to grab him. San Antonio is likely after Victor Claver who suspiciously remained in the draft, despite a lackluster and injury plagued season. No word on who Houston is after, but Rockets GM Daryl Moray was on hand in Treviso as Swedish SF Jonas Jerebko put on an excellent performance.

This is the first time I've seen Dumars looking to add an extra first-round pick. Other reports have Joe trying to trade away the 15th overall pick to clear more space. As we get closer to the draft, the rumors will start to pick up and what Joe has planned may become more clear.

Stay tuned...

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While three other teams would like to buy picks late in the first round: San Antonio, Detroit and Houston

I hope this is true. I'm really tired of sitting there on draft day, watching all of these great deals go down, watching draft picks get sold, and seeing the Pistons have no part in it.

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Austin Daye Plagued by Poor Workouts

Austin Daye is another player with tremendous upside, but he's worked out poorly in several cities and the word on Daye is he could be a great player in a few years, but not NBA-ready this year making him more of a project player. Most teams that have seen him talk about his ability to shoot the ball and his freakish length and athleticism, but warn that he's going to really need time to grow into the NBA game, making him far more likely to go in the bottom of the first round than at the top.

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Thabeet's Projected Draft Pick Unmerited?

(Matt) Moore: It wasn't necessarily that I didn't like the offensive moves that Thabeet displayed this season. It's that he didn't display any. Hasheem Thabeet has a great Twitter account, terrific length, and an offensive ceiling that makes Anderson Varejao look dynamic.

In a lot of ways I should be banging the gong for Thabeet. All potential, no refinement. All athleticism, no fundamentals. That's usually my bag, baby. But the kid's not a super freak in terms of bulk, he's just long. He's the spacebar on the keyboard, only not as necessary. Longer than everything else, but in the end, it's just a space.

I can't get over how this guy is above Jordan Hill, or DeJuan Blair, guys who can do more than stick their hands way up in the air. Premier big men in this league, the kind you want to spend a top 3 pick on, all have some level of touch around the basket, save Dwight Howard. And Thabeet is no Dwight Howard. Of course, when he was drafted, Dwight Howard wasn't Dwight Howard.

(Tom) Ziller: I sit on the same side of the aisle as you with regard to Thabeet -- he's probably not the best non-Griffin big man in this draft. If Hill has fire in the belly, he could be great. Blair obviously has the fire, and Kevin Love's rebounding instincts to boot.

I think, if nothing else, Thabeet will give you a couple blocked shots a game. Chris Andersen did that for Denver, and he became a hero. Of course, Andersen could also rebound, and it's unclear how dominant Thabeet will be on the boards -- he was an awful rebounder until this season, when he became just solid considering his size and the lack of quickness in most Big East big men.

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Could Jennings Spiral Out of Lottery?

Brandon Jennings may also find the draft process unkind on Draft night. Word is if he does not go #6 to Minnesota, he could fall in the the teens. Jennings has worked out well for every team he has seen, but his biggest knock is maturity and pure leadership skills, plus his less-than-spectacular showing in Italy last year have left teams with more doubts about Jennings than any of his peers. Most scouts list Jennings fourth or fifth in terms of this crop of point guard.

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Draft Buzz | NBADraft.net

Tyler Hansbrough On the Rise

After measuring very impressively in Chicago and testing well in the athleticism workouts, Tyler Hansbrough has been on the rise lately and could go as high as 11 to New Jersey. In fact, New Jersey looks like the likely destination for Hansbrough at this point.

The all time leading scorer in the ACC is considered a surefire contributor (safe pick), which in a weak draft is a valued commodity. Hansbrough may have leapfrogged DeJuan Blair who continues to impress in workouts himself.

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Regarding the Mullens draft promise.

I know almost everyone here hates him. But I don't think I would mind them taking him at 15. The #15 pick wont have much to offer other than some backup guards and some 190 pound 6'10 guy. If you can get a true 7 footer that has even a slim chance of being something, I say roll the dice.

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Regarding the Mullens draft promise.

I know almost everyone here hates him. But I don't think I would mind them taking him at 15. The #15 pick wont have much to offer other than some backup guards and some 190 pound 6'10 guy. If you can get a true 7 footer that has even a slim chance of being something, I say roll the dice.

Watched him numerous times..saw him in person..it would complete the Dumars bench of draft ineptitiude. Mullens had no feel, zero heart and basketball IQ that only a combine would mask..

He could look at the bench and see

Maxiel, Johnson, Sharpe, Mullens and know..hey I have alot of tall guys..none of whom can play a lick..

Drafting Muillens woudl cement the idea..they need a new GM because the one they have has zero capacity to draft anddevlop young talent..

Then you would have that bench..a deteriorating PG in Stuckey..and Michael Curry as your coach..

All handpicked by Dumars..convince me he knows what he is doing post 2005.

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