Jump to content

Recommended Posts

Don't go after Dalembert, I'd rather have Kwame Brown then Dalembert, especially if you compare contracts. Dalembert isn't good, there is a reason Philadelphia wants to dump him. Seriously Dalembert's contract is so bad, he would be the highest paid Piston if they aquired him.

Pistons need to make runs at good players, just don't take back a bum like Dalembert because some team wants to dump his salary. I can't see any way that the Clippers keep all their big men, the Pistons need to try to get Kaman out of there, he won't be the greatest player in the league, but he is certainly solid and a legit center.

Kaman/Boozer/Prince/Hamilton/Stuckey is a good lineup.

Edited by DrWho17

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Is Milsap really a realistic target? He is a good player at $8 million a year. But at $12-$14 millin per year (What you will probably have to pay so Utah doesn't match the offer) he isn't that good. I would go up to $10 million, but even then I think Utah matches.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I read a few weeks ago, a max contract free agent that leaves his team will lose $31 million over the life of his new contract. Teams signing their own free agents can offer an extra year on the contract and offer a bigger base salary (Or maybe it was bigger raise percentages). Long story short, its easy to see why a lot of max deal guys dont switch teams often. Or if they do, its via a sign and trade.

And I think this is why you'll see Miami trade for Chris Bosh. It'll be easier to re-sign both Bosh and Wade, then signing Bosh as a free agent.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Is Milsap really a realistic target? He is a good player at $8 million a year. But at $12-$14 millin per year (What you will probably have to pay so Utah doesn't match the offer) he isn't that good. I would go up to $10 million, but even then I think Utah matches.

And that's the problem. I wouldn't pay over 10 for him, and really that's stretching it based upon a small sampling of data in a good system. If I'm paying 14 mil, I want a 20/10 guy like Boozer - but I don't see Boozer signing for less than 16-18mil, which just increases the risk since he's injury prone (or soft).

Just seems like we have all this money and even though there aren't a ton of teams out there with cash we'll have to overpay if want one of the few decent FAs - and even they aren't really the guys we want.

We can wait until the other teams spend their cash and hope to get a deal once the FAs become desperate, but that's risky as well. We could end up getting a whole lot of nothing.

Then there's the trade option. But we've seen how much trouble Joe had trying to pull a trade for a star already this year...is it going to be much better now? Are there really that many teams willing to give up great players in exchange for a bag of balls just to shed salary?

Joe could really work some magic this off-season, but he's got to wade through all of these pitfalls. But, this is how he chose to set it up for himself and he claims it's all according to his plan. So, it's on him to knock it out of the park this summer otherwise this franchise will be set back a long time and he will be the only one to blame.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Wow...Millsap for 10 million+ and Boozer for 15 million+? No thank you. I do not really think this is a strong free agent class, as it is referred to in the Draft Express article. And Gordon is not anything more than the third best player on a championship team.

At this point, I don't think anybody except Dumars and a few other parts of the Pistons brass know what their plan is. There are so many reports and articles that seem to conflict with each other...I can't put much stock into any of this speculation.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Wow...Millsap for 10 million+ and Boozer for 15 million+? No thank you. I do not really think this is a strong free agent class, as it is referred to in the Draft Express article. And Gordon is not anything more than the third best player on a championship team.

At this point, I don't think anybody except Dumars and a few other parts of the Pistons brass know what their plan is. There are so many reports and articles that seem to conflict with each other...I can't put much stock into any of this speculation.

Well, I wouldn't pay that for Milsap. I was just saying what you will probably have to pay so Utah wont match. Like I said, $8 million would be my target price for him. But they match that easy.

Regarding Boozer. I have no interest in him no matter what the price is.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

http://www.hoopsworld.com/HeadlineStories.asp?lc=NBA&c=1&TEAM_ID=&PLAYER_ID=&hd=20090602#STORY_19236

OKC Interested in Ben Gordon?

Welcome to The Show! On Tuesday, ESPN NBA Insider Chad Ford will drop by to talk some NBA hoops.

Mitchell (Chicago): Please tell me Ben Gordon is staying in Chicago.

Chad Ford: If he can find a team willing to give him the money he wants ... he 's gone. I've heard OKC has interest. And the Pistons do too if they can find a way to pay him and a big man like Boozer.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I realize this is a bit of a repeat.

http://www.freep.com/article/20090603/SPORTS03/906030358/1051/rss16

ESPN NBA analyst looks at free-agent market

ESPN analyst Chad Ford, who covers the NBA and NBA draft, answered a few questions Tuesday regarding the Pistons during a chat on ESPN.com.

Advertisement

• On whether Carlos Boozer's agent was starting a rumor about the Utah forward landing in Detroit: "If Boozer opts out, you can take it to the bank that he thinks he has a deal somewhere. The Pistons are the only team with the room to sign him who are interested. Other teams like the Nets would have to do something via sign-and-trade."

• On whether free-agent guard Ben Gordon would stay with the Bulls: "If he can find a team willing to give him the money he wants ... he's gone. I've heard OKC has interest. And the Pistons do, too, if they can find a way to pay him and a big man like Boozer."

• On whom the Pistons are considering with the No. 15 overall pick in the June 25 draft: "They really need size. I think they'd love it if (Louisville forward) Earl Clark or (Wake Forest forward) James Johnson fell to them. (Gonzaga forward) Austin Daye is another possibility."

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/59567/20090603/plan_is_to_improve_raptors_not_deal_bosh/

Plan Is To Improve Raptors, Not Deal Bosh

Bryan Colangelo recently said the current plan for the Raptors is to try to surround Chris Bosh with better players instead of trading him, according to a source.

That plan may only change if Bosh expresses grave doubts about re-signing with the club.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

RealGM: Basketball Wiretap Archives: Bosh Hints He Will Be 2010 Free Agent

Bosh Hints He Will Be 2010 Free Agent

Chris Bosh suggested strongly on Thursday that he will forgo signing a contract extension this summer, setting himself up to be part of the famed 2010 free agency class.

"(When) I signed a three-year (extension in 2006)... I had a goal in mind, and that was to put myself in the best position (in 2010) ... I'm thinking I just want to stick to my goal, stick to what I was doing," said Bosh.

"That's a part of the plan ... I just want to address things (after) next season. There's a reason why I did things the way I did them back then."

Bosh considers the situation a 'win-win' for both sides.

"It puts pressure on both sides. It puts pressure on me to perform, and it puts pressure on the organization to perform as well," said Bosh.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

http://www.hoopsworld.com/HeadlineStories.asp?lc=NBA&c=1&TEAM_ID=&PLAYER_ID=&hd=20090606#STORY_19316

Carlos Boozer May Be Unattainable for Nets

A number of you are still talking about Carlos Boozer, a development that inspires this response from the rest of us, along with some people in the organization: Huh?

We haven't talked to Rob Pelinka about this - he wouldn't talk on the record about it anyway -- but let's look at it pragmatically:

His client will make $12.6M next year if he doesn't opt out. Where else will he get that $12.6?

We assume Pelinka floated this in case he needs a Plan B if the Detroit connection doesn't happen for them. And he undoubtedly has heard what we're hearing: The Pistons are now giving as much (if not more) consideration to Paul Millsap, to the tune of $8-9M per year, which is an ample jump from the $797K he was paid last season.

And if Detroit has cooled on Boozer, he's going to have to scramble to find anything like the 5/60M he's looking for - or thinks he deserves.

Can't see it.

Not in Jersey, perhaps not anywhere.

We asked Thorn point-blank whether he's spoken to his good friend Kevin O'Connor in Utah lately (yes, he understood we were hinting about sign-and-trade scenarios), and his reply was a terse, "nope, not a single conversation."

That doesn't mean a move for Boozer wouldn't benefit the Nets. You accelerate the rebuild by a year, and solidify the weakest position. And he's obviously comfortable in Jersey - he has a home here, if only to be close to the health care specialists that his son (he had a bone marrow transplant a year ago for sickle sell) requires.

But you also have to wonder how this guy will play with a new contract, since he's never been dependable in the past - he's missed 33 percent of the games (134 of 410) in the last five years, fercryinoutloud - and he plays the kind of defense that gets coaches fired. Moreover, it's hard to ignore the fact that Gasol destroyed him in the last two postseasons.

Or that Utah would love for him to walk away now, so they can pay Millsap.

No, the Jazz don't want any part of Vince Carter.

Thats great that the Pistons are going to offer Sap $8-$9 million. The problem is, and nobody seems to mention this, is the fact he is a restricted FA. You can offer it and he might sign the offer sheet, but Utah will instantly match that. You will have to grossly over pay him so Utah wont match.

I actually saw someone the other day say that Cleveland should go after Boozer. I think it was Michael Wilbon. Can you imagine Boozer back in Cleveland?

Edited by Deleterious

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

http://www.hoopsworld.com/HeadlineStories.asp?lc=NBA&c=1&TEAM_ID=&PLAYER_ID=&hd=20090606#STORY_19326

Bosh Not Requesting Trade from Raptors

There were some ripples made when Toronto Raptors All-Star forward Chris Bosh indicated yesterday he would not a ink contract extension with the Raps this summer.

"[When] I signed a three-year [extension in 2006]... I had a goal in mind, and that was to put myself in the best position [in 2010] ... I'm thinking I just want to stick to my goal, stick to what I was doing," Bosh told reporters. "That's a part of the plan ... I just want to address things [after] next season. There's a reason why I did things the way I did them back then."

Of course, all this did was ramp up the Chris Bosh rumor mill. I mean, this says the Raptors have to trade him, right? Because he could just walk next summer! Here's the deal though – this isn't news. This is simply a restatement of an agreement between Bosh and Raps General Manager Bryan Colangelo that was reported weeks ago. They met and both sides agreed there would be no decision made this summer. Bosh did not ask for a trade, and Colangelo has steadfastly maintained they will not trade Bosh unless he asks to be traded.

Bosh has indicated he wants to see if they can build of the momentum they built at the end of the 2008-09 season into 2009-10, and has no current plans to ask for a trade. Colangelo also said if Bosh were to ask the Raptors for a trade, he would do his best to accommodate that request.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

SLAM ONLINE | » Rasheed to the Cavs?

Rasheed to the Cavs?

by J. Gamble

My sources say that Rasheed Wallace and the Cavs are beginning talks on a two-year deal worth about $10 million per for the services of the former Piston. The move and negotiations were inspired by Dwight Howard’s dominant performance over Cleveland’s big men in the Eastern Conference Finals. And Wallace will be brought in for that very purpose, to neutralize Dwight Howard next season and help the Cavs get over the hump.

This supports what we previously reported about what it will take for Sheed to come back next year.

If this signing falls through, I’m hearing that Cleveland may do a sign and trade with the Clippers for Zach Randolph, which certainly makes sense for the Clippers since they are taking Blake Griffin No. 1 overall.

What a steaming pile of crap that rumor is. First, teams cant talk to free agents until July 1. So I have no clue how they are negotiating with Rasheed already. Second, they can't sign him to a $10 million per year deal since they are over the cap. It would have to be a sign and trade. Cleveland has very little that would interest us in a sign and trade.

I would take Varejao in a S&T, but that makes no sense. He is the one big man they will want to keep, so why swap a 27 year old for a 34 year old? So forget that. Now the article says a 2 year deal at $10 million per. Maybe the per was a mistake and they meant 2 years for $10 million. That would be the MLE for 2 years, which Cleveland could do.

Then the whole sign and trade for Zach Randolph. The biggest problem I see with that is...Randolph is under contract. How the heck would they do a sign and trade for someone that has a contract?

People suck.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
SLAM ONLINE | » Rasheed to the Cavs?

What a steaming pile of crap that rumor is. First, teams cant talk to free agents until July 1. So I have no clue how they are negotiating with Rasheed already. Second, they can't sign him to a $10 million per year deal since they are over the cap. It would have to be a sign and trade. Cleveland has very little that would interest us in a sign and trade.

I would take Varejao in a S&T, but that makes no sense. He is the one big man they will want to keep, so why swap a 27 year old for a 34 year old? So forget that. Now the article says a 2 year deal at $10 million per. Maybe the per was a mistake and they meant 2 years for $10 million. That would be the MLE for 2 years, which Cleveland could do.

Then the whole sign and trade for Zach Randolph. The biggest problem I see with that is...Randolph is under contract. How the heck would they do a sign and trade for someone that has a contract?

People suck.

Just what the Cavs need, another old big man who struggles defending pick and rolls and is foul prone.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
SLAM ONLINE | » Rasheed to the Cavs?

What a steaming pile of crap that rumor is. First, teams cant talk to free agents until July 1. So I have no clue how they are negotiating with Rasheed already. Second, they can't sign him to a $10 million per year deal since they are over the cap. It would have to be a sign and trade. Cleveland has very little that would interest us in a sign and trade.

I would take Varejao in a S&T, but that makes no sense. He is the one big man they will want to keep, so why swap a 27 year old for a 34 year old? So forget that. Now the article says a 2 year deal at $10 million per. Maybe the per was a mistake and they meant 2 years for $10 million. That would be the MLE for 2 years, which Cleveland could do.

Then the whole sign and trade for Zach Randolph. The biggest problem I see with that is...Randolph is under contract. How the heck would they do a sign and trade for someone that has a contract?

People suck.

If they could make it work cap wise, then I actually think Sheed is a good fit for Cleveland. I would much rather have Sheed guarding the bigs in Boston and Orlando than Z or Varejao.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
If they could make it work cap wise, then I actually think Sheed is a good fit for Cleveland. I would much rather have Sheed guarding the bigs in Boston and Orlando than Z or Varejao.

I agree Sheed is the perfect fit in Cleveland. If he would take the MLE they should absolutely do it. I just don't see anyway we do a sign and trade with them though.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I agree Sheed is the perfect fit in Cleveland. If he would take the MLE they should absolutely do it. I just don't see anyway we do a sign and trade with them though.

So the team that was criticized for being too old and slow against Howard should add another old big? While it's true that Rasheed has played Howard well, Howard's getting better and Rasheed is just getting older.

I see Rasheed looking for a 20-25 minute a night gig with a contender though so I guess the Cavs would be on his radar. And since the Cavs are in win now mode maybe Rasheed is on theirs as well.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
So the team that was criticized for being too old and slow against Howard should add another old big? While it's true that Rasheed has played Howard well, Howard's getting better and Rasheed is just getting older.

I see Rasheed looking for a 20-25 minute a night gig with a contender though so I guess the Cavs would be on his radar. And since the Cavs are in win now mode maybe Rasheed is on theirs as well.

Nobody is more critical of Rasheed than me, but the one thing he can still do is defend the post. Even though I think his defense on Howard is somewhat over rated (Howard averages his career averages against us), he is better then what Cleveland has now and can probably get this summer.

Rasheed will allow Cleveland to play Howard one on one so they don't have to leave perimeter guys open to rain down three point shots over and over. Now Cleveland has to ask, is that worth it for all the other crap he brings to the table?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Nobody is more critical of Rasheed than me, but the one thing he can still do is defend the post. Even though I think his defense on Howard is somewhat over rated (Howard averages his career averages against us), he is better then what Cleveland has now and can probably get this summer.

Rasheed will allow Cleveland to play Howard one on one so they don't have to leave perimeter guys open to rain down three point shots over and over. Now Cleveland has to ask, is that worth it for all the other crap he brings to the table?

Somewhere during the Celtics series, maybe after Howard griped, it seems like the Magic started running a lot more pick and rolls than I remember from their typical offense. That's what hurt the Cavs the most and I don't think Rasheed would solve that problem.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Somewhere during the Celtics series, maybe after Howard griped, it seems like the Magic started running a lot more pick and rolls than I remember from their typical offense. That's what hurt the Cavs the most and I don't think Rasheed would solve that problem.

Pick and rolls killed Cleveland, but not the ones with Howard. The ones with two shooters did it. For some reason Cleveland chose to show hard on the ball for pick and rolls and leave the shooter free to drift out to the three point line and kill them. That is something the coaching staff has to change.

Personally, nobody on the Magic scares me with penetration. I would float off the screen to cover the three point shooter and invite guys like Turkoglu and Lewis to try and drive the lane from the top of the arc. They are not PG's and will make mistakes and turn the ball over. Even if they do successfully drive the lane, its easier to provide help side defense in the paint instead of scrambling around the perimeter trying to recover. Now if it was Dwayne Wake, Kobe, or James doing the driving, I would change my strategy up. Those guys will kill you if they get into the lane so you have to show hard and cut off the penetration. But with those big 6'10, 6'9 guys, I would let them try to drive all day and night and let the turnovers and charges happen.

Where Howard did kill Cleveland, was when he was doubled and could find the open man, kick out for an open jump shot and bingo, they shoot 45% from behind the arc or while Cleveland scrambled to cover up outside, Howard became open under the basket again for the dunk. That is bad defense. With Rasheed they can play him straight up and not worry about it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
So the team that was criticized for being too old and slow against Howard should add another old big? While it's true that Rasheed has played Howard well, Howard's getting better and Rasheed is just getting older.

I see Rasheed looking for a 20-25 minute a night gig with a contender though so I guess the Cavs would be on his radar. And since the Cavs are in win now mode maybe Rasheed is on theirs as well.

It amazes that Howard scores as much as he does with his post moves. His footwork is lacking and he looks awkward making his moves. But he somehow gets the job done...a lot of the time just through sheer athleticism I think.

As much as I hate Rasheed at this point, I still think he offers a lot in man to man post defense. He also seems to play better against the elite players like Duncan and Howard while he struggles against lesser players. This is just part of the motivation factor for Sheed. Also, Lebron spent a lot of energy in the series helping on Howard because Z and Varejao couldn't even come close to stopping him. Sheed would take a great amount of pressure Lebron defensively.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

All part of Joe's master plan to take down a division rival through subterfuge. It'll be like dropping a demolitions expert behind enemy lines.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

http://www.hoopsworld.com/HeadlineStories.asp?lc=NBA&c=1&TEAM_ID=&PLAYER_ID=&hd=20090608#STORY_19384

Though the Knicks likely will take a combo-type guard in the June 25 NBA Draft, Knicks team president Donnie Walsh will eye a center with his $5 million mid-level exception during free agency, and Orlando's 7-foot backup Marcin Gortat is very high on his list, The Post has learned.

The Knicks had no interior defensive presence, and that's Gortat's strength. He also blocks shots and rebounds. (The Knicks were last in blocked shots the past two years).

The Polish big man originally was drafted by coach Mike D'Antoni's Suns in the second round of 2005, but they traded his rights. Gortat probably will not be re-signed because he plays a smallish role as Dwight Howard's backup and the Magic can't pay him accordingly.

Gortat said the Knicks could be an ideal spot. Gortat (four points, three rebounds) played 15 minutes last night as Magic coach Stan Van Gundy often used a twin-tower alignment to combat the Lakers' size.

Magic general manager Otis Smith can match any offer, but said he knows it will be a financial challenge to retain Gortat.

"He's got the best job in America, playing behind my best player, playing 8 to 10 minutes," Smith said. "He goes out and does his job and probably has the best work ethic of anyone in the locker room. Can he start for another team? Yeah he can.

"I'll just deal with it and the market will dictate where he goes," Smith added. "I would like to keep him on our team, but it depends if someone wants to make him a starter and figures out what's my breaking point. I'm sure teams will make a run for him."

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

http://www.hoopsworld.com/HeadlineStories.asp?lc=NBA&c=1&TEAM_ID=&PLAYER_ID=&hd=20090608#STORY_19386

Harris Hopes to Recruit Boozer to Nets

Late in an interview with Joe Benigno and Evan Roberts on WFAN Thursday, Devin Harris was asked both about the upcoming draft and the possible acquisition of Carlos Boozer.

–Regarding the Draft:

“Aw, dont make me play GM”

“We need more of an athlete, someone who can rebound and block shots, someone who can complement Brook really nicely.

–Regarding Boozer, Roberts pointed out that Boozer looks like he’ll choose between Detroit and New Jersey…

“I definitely hope he picks New Jersey. I think he fits well in us, he’s a 4 man who obviously can complement Brook real well. He can run the screen and roll. He’s a rebounder that we need and he can also space the floor as well. I’ve kind of played with Boozer a couple of times over the summer so I know what he’s capable of doing obviously, going…playing against him. He’s a talented player so he fits right with what we do.”

–Asked if he is willing to recruit the Jazz big man, Harris laughed and answered…

“I’ll do what needs to be done”.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


×
×
  • Create New...