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RealGM: Basketball Wiretap Archives: Blazers Still Working On Getting Prince In Three-Way

Blazers Still Working On Getting Prince In Three-Way

Portland is still trying to pry Tayshaun Prince out of Detroit in a three-way trade with Utah, but Joe Dumars hasn’t shown an inclination to move Prince and extend Carlos Boozer’s contract, league sources say.

Several league executives are dubious of Boozer as a $14 million-a-year player, which his agent, Rob Pelinka, has told teams it will take to sign him to an extension.

Pelinka has done pretty well for himself. I wonder what James Voskuil is up to these days.

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I kind of agree with Joe. I just don't see how moving Tay for Boozer is a good move at this point. We've already got two guys who should be starting at SG (three if you count Stuckey) and now we're going to add a second guy that should be starting at PF? And at the same time remove our only starting SF?

Are we just stockpiling SGs and PFs?

I understand what this deal can do for our future, by giving us cap room in 2010, but it sounds like he wants an extension to go along with it and I'm really not interested in doing that at all.

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but it sounds like he wants an extension to go along with it and I'm really not interested in doing that at all.

He can want an extension, doesn't mean he is going to get one from whoever trades for him. Either way, he still has to go.

I kind of agree with Joe. I just don't see how moving Tay for Boozer is a good move at this point.

This I tend to agree with as my preference is definitely to move Rip 1st. But if this is all we can do to move either Rip or Tay's contract I would probably consider it. I tend to think Tay has considerably more value than Rip though and would prefer to use him for a better fit/bigger chip.

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Not huge news, but significant nontheless...

NEW JERSEY NETS ASSISTANT BRIAN HILL CAN TALK TO DETROIT PISTONS ABOUT JOINING COACHING STAFF - New York Post

NETS' HILL CAN TALK WITH PISTONS

By FRED KERBER

Last updated: 9:14 am

July 16, 2009

Posted: 2:04 am

July 16, 2009

The man who gave Lawrence Frank his NBA coaching start, Nets assistant Brian Hill, can talk with the Pistons about joining coach John Kuester's staff.

"Brian is a very good coach, and he's done a good job for us," said Nets team president Rod Thorn, who acknowledged he granted the Pistons permission yesterday to speak with Hill about the lead assistant's job under Kuester.

Hill, 61, twice was the head coach of the Magic, leading them to the Finals in 1995. He also was the head coach in Vancouver, where he hired Frank on his staff in 1997. This is his second tour as a Nets assistant under Frank.

The Nets assistants all agreed to pay cuts this summer so that additional jobs would remain. Tom Barrise, Doug Overton and Roy Rogers remain on the bench. It is not clear if the Nets would hire someone to replace Hill, who has a 298-315 career head-coaching record.

Meanwhile, the Nets stay in a waiting game on the free-agent front. They seem determined to alter the roster by the start of the season, but they will not make more change for change's sake. And Thorn said again that nothing is imminent and that a $1.26 million trade exception obtained in the Marcus Williams deal "probably" will expire Wednesday after its one-year shelf life.

"If there is something that makes sense, we'd take a look at it," said Thorn, noting he could envision scenarios of either a trade or a free-agent signing, but any signing likely could come much later in the bargain realm. "Will we do something? I'm just not sure."

The Nets' roster is swollen with 15 contracts and though players such as Carlos Boozer are being shopped, the Nets are not in the running.

"They've talked all around the league, but they haven't talked to [the Nets]," one team source said.

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I don't know what kind offers Dumars is getting for these guys so I can't say for sure but it seems to me he is overvaluing Tayshaun and Rip. I would have no problem trading either of those guys simply to get camp space for next summer. If there is a 3 way trade involving Tay for Boozer on the table, I would do that in heartbeat. I don't care much that Boozer plays the same position as Villanueva; I care more that he frees up money for next summer. Also, I like the fact that it frees up minutes for Summers and Daye to get minutes this year.

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I don't know what kind offers Dumars is getting for these guys so I can't say for sure but it seems to me he is overvaluing Tayshaun and Rip. I would have no problem trading either of those guys simply to get camp space for next summer. If there is a 3 way trade involving Tay for Boozer on the table, I would do that in heartbeat. I don't care much that Boozer plays the same position as Villanueva; I care more that he frees up money for next summer. Also, I like the fact that it frees up minutes for Summers and Daye to get minutes this year.

I disagree a bit. I think the best case scenerio we could hope for for Rip is cap space, but I think Tay may have a little more value than that right now. He isn't vastly overpaid or for as long as Rip and I could see him as a piece in a bigger trade either now or down the road. By bigger trade, I mean someone that would actually help us rather than simply attempting to get cap space next year.

Rip, I would be thrilled to get some cap space any way possible for him as I think he is going to be difficult to move.

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I kind of agree with Joe. I just don't see how moving Tay for Boozer is a good move at this point. We've already got two guys who should be starting at SG (three if you count Stuckey) and now we're going to add a second guy that should be starting at PF? And at the same time remove our only starting SF?

Are we just stockpiling SGs and PFs?

I understand what this deal can do for our future, by giving us cap room in 2010, but it sounds like he wants an extension to go along with it and I'm really not interested in doing that at all.

Agreed. At this point I'd rather deal for Boozer with an eye toward relieving the team of Rip's contract, but if the only way to get Boozer is to give up Tayshaun I say no thanks.

Who knows, maybe Memphis will fall in love with Rip and his owner will make the GM trade for him.

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Here's a quick question for you guys:

If Joe D is so eager to sign Big Baby, why doesn't he trade Maxiell for Sasha Pavlovic or for Greg Buckner? I'm not certain those teams would want Maxiell... but I would think so...

I don't see a weak frontcourt as a reason to NOT trade Maxiell, if it gets back Big Baby instead... and also based on projecting for Summers and Jerebko... I know those guys are rookies, but if I had to hazard a guess, I don't think there'd be a dropoff from Maxiell to them. Especially as those aren't starter minutes. And again: Bib Baby > Maxiell... IMO.

How it would work: "$1.5 million of Sasha Pavlovic's $5 million contract next season is guaranteed. Only $1 million of Greg Buckner's $4.1 million deal is owed, with the stipulation that he be waived Nov. 30." (Link: NBA free agents: The latest chatter on Ramon Sessions and Allen Iverson - ESPN).

So:

(A) Trade for Pavlovic or Buckner.

(B) Waive whichever of them.

© Add $3.1 to $3.5 mill (Pavlovic) to available cap space for a total of $6.8 to $8 mill (??? I have no clue where we're at, at this moment...).

(D) Make offer to Big Baby that is larger than the mid-level (Celtics said they'd match the MLE...).

Doesn't that work? Don't cry over spilt Maxiell Joe D... Kwame/ Big Baby/ CV/ Summers/ Jerebko is > than Kwame/ Maxiell/ CV/ Summers/ Jerebko...

IMO.

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RealGM: Basketball Wiretap Archives: Jazz Will Match Portland's Offer To Millsap

Jazz Will Match Portland's Offer To Millsap

The Utah Jazz will match the Portland Trailblazers' offer sheet to restricted free agent Paul Millsap, a person with knowledge of the negotiations tells senior writer Ken Berger.

The offer, said to be at four years for $32 million, lays the groundwork for the Jazz to trade forward Carlos Boozer.

Millsap, a third-year forward, averaged 13.5 points and 8.6 rebounds last season.

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Here's a quick question for you guys:

If Joe D is so eager to sign Big Baby, why doesn't he trade Maxiell for Sasha Pavlovic or for Greg Buckner? I'm not certain those teams would want Maxiell... but I would think so...

I don't see a weak frontcourt as a reason to NOT trade Maxiell, if it gets back Big Baby instead... and also based on projecting for Summers and Jerebko... I know those guys are rookies, but if I had to hazard a guess, I don't think there'd be a dropoff from Maxiell to them. Especially as those aren't starter minutes. And again: Bib Baby > Maxiell... IMO.

How it would work: "$1.5 million of Sasha Pavlovic's $5 million contract next season is guaranteed. Only $1 million of Greg Buckner's $4.1 million deal is owed, with the stipulation that he be waived Nov. 30." (Link: NBA free agents: The latest chatter on Ramon Sessions and Allen Iverson - ESPN).

So:

(A) Trade for Pavlovic or Buckner.

(B) Waive whichever of them.

© Add $3.1 to $3.5 mill (Pavlovic) to available cap space for a total of $6.8 to $8 mill (??? I have no clue where we're at, at this moment...).

(D) Make offer to Big Baby that is larger than the mid-level (Celtics said they'd match the MLE...).

Doesn't that work? Don't cry over spilt Maxiell Joe D... Kwame/ Big Baby/ CV/ Summers/ Jerebko is > than Kwame/ Maxiell/ CV/ Summers/ Jerebko...

IMO.

I would imagine those non guaranteed deals could bring back more then Max. Especially for teams over the luxury tax around the trade deadline. You buy him out and only pay 30 games worth of the buyout, and get to lop off his full salary from the cap (Minus the buyout of course)? Thats a good deal. It would basically be costing teams a few hundred grand to save $3.5 million in cap space.

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It's believed that the Pistons, as of Thursday, have Rasho Nesterovic and Chris Wilcox ahead of Drew Gooden as their next free-agent targets, since it appears that they can't assemble an offer sheet rich enough for Glen Davis to keep the Boston Celtics from matching.

I think Wilcox is clearly the best of those three. Rasho Nesterovic is a huge YUCK for me.

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Oh well, I was hoping that since they hadn't given anyone an offer sheet yet, that they had a trade in the works that they needed the cap space for.

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Oh well, I was hoping that since they hadn't given anyone an offer sheet yet, that they had a trade in the works that they needed the cap space for.

I think there are a number of trades in the works and Joe D is saving his cap space to be a potential player. If nothing happens, they work out a deal with Wilcox.

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What would it take to get David West. Sounds like New Orleans is looking to clear salary space.

Using the Trade Machine...because I'm bored...I got this to work.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lz35yp

New Orleans gets Boozer and Hamilton (gets them a SG to pair with Paul and a PF that comes off the books next year

Utah gets Posey and Maxiell (They seem to want a SF and Max could replace Boozer)

Detroit gets Chandler, Peterson and West.

Detroit takes on Chandlers albatross contract (maybe take advantage of the Allan Houston rule and buy him out if he doesn't pass a physical), Peterson's contract and David West. This gives us.

PG: Stuckey/Bynum

SG: Gordon/Peterson

SF: Prince/rookie

PF: West/Villanueva

C: Brown/Chandler

That wouldn't be the worst situation ever.

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The problem with that deal is it does nothing for Utah who is looking to shed cap. It gives them Max and Posey, who both have long contracts. They need expiring contracts, like Kwame's.

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What would it take to get David West. Sounds like New Orleans is looking to clear salary space.

Using the Trade Machine...because I'm bored...I got this to work.

NBA Trade Machine - ESPN

New Orleans gets Boozer and Hamilton (gets them a SG to pair with Paul and a PF that comes off the books next year

Utah gets Posey and Maxiell (They seem to want a SF and Max could replace Boozer)

Detroit gets Chandler, Peterson and West.

Detroit takes on Chandlers albatross contract (maybe take advantage of the Allan Houston rule and buy him out if he doesn't pass a physical), Peterson's contract and David West. This gives us.

PG: Stuckey/Bynum

SG: Gordon/Peterson

SF: Prince/rookie

PF: West/Villanueva

C: Brown/Chandler

That wouldn't be the worst situation ever.

ESPN is wrong about how much West makes. He makes over $9 million a year, not $2 million. So the trade doesn't work out.

Here it is on RealGM.

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I knew that about West but figured we were under the cap enough for it to still work. RealGM doesn't seem to work for me so I'm going to propose, using the new information and good points from my co-GM's on here.

Detroit gets

Chandler and West

Utah gets

Kwame and Posey

New Orleans gets

Rip and Boozer

if that doesn't work then I say Rip for West straight up.

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I'm a huge fan of that trade Bishop. I just can't see NO giving up their entire frontcourt in one trade and they aren't really cutting much salary either.

But this lineup:

Chandler/Jerebko

West/CV/Max

Prince/Summers/Daye

Gordon/Washington

Stuckey/Bynum

is really nice in my book.

Edited by Elevate

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RealGM: Basketball Wiretap Archives: Herrmann Signs With Tau Ceramica

Herrmann Signs With Tau Ceramica

Argentinian Walter Herrmann, who played in the NBA with the Detroit Pistons and Charlotte Bobcats, has signed a two year contract with Euroleague powerhouse Tau Ceramica, according to a report by euroleague.net.

Herrmann has signed a two year contract.

Who will take our last second shots now?

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Who will take our last second shots now?

Thankfully not Hermann or Sheed.

Hopefully it will be Gordon who has a pretty solid "Clutch" rating, including 43% from 3 point range and 46% standard FG.

Clutch Rating

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Here's a quick question for you guys:

If Joe D is so eager to sign Big Baby, why doesn't he trade Maxiell for Sasha Pavlovic or for Greg Buckner? I'm not certain those teams would want Maxiell... but I would think so...

I don't see a weak frontcourt as a reason to NOT trade Maxiell, if it gets back Big Baby instead... and also based on projecting for Summers and Jerebko... I know those guys are rookies, but if I had to hazard a guess, I don't think there'd be a dropoff from Maxiell to them. Especially as those aren't starter minutes. And again: Bib Baby > Maxiell... IMO.

How it would work: "$1.5 million of Sasha Pavlovic's $5 million contract next season is guaranteed. Only $1 million of Greg Buckner's $4.1 million deal is owed, with the stipulation that he be waived Nov. 30." (Link: NBA free agents: The latest chatter on Ramon Sessions and Allen Iverson - ESPN).

So:

(A) Trade for Pavlovic or Buckner.

(B) Waive whichever of them.

© Add $3.1 to $3.5 mill (Pavlovic) to available cap space for a total of $6.8 to $8 mill (??? I have no clue where we're at, at this moment...).

(D) Make offer to Big Baby that is larger than the mid-level (Celtics said they'd match the MLE...).

Doesn't that work? Don't cry over spilt Maxiell Joe D... Kwame/ Big Baby/ CV/ Summers/ Jerebko is > than Kwame/ Maxiell/ CV/ Summers/ Jerebko...

IMO.

The only reason Pavlovic was in that deal is because the Suns wanted his non guaranteed contract. They arn't going to trade him to take on more money. And as was said previously Buckner is probably going to fetch something more enticing than Maxiell.

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RealGM: Basketball Wiretap Archives: Jazz Match Portland Offer Sheet, Keep Millsap

Jazz Match Portland Offer Sheet, Keep Millsap

The Utah Jazz announced today that the team has exercised its first right of refusal and retained restricted free agent forward Paul Millsap, pending the results of a physical. Per team policy, terms of the agreement were not announced. Utah had seven days to match an offer sheet made to Millsap by Portland.

“Keeping Paul on our roster was one of our main goals this offseason,” said Utah Jazz general manager Kevin O’Connor. “We look forward to watching him play a key role on this team for many years to come.”

A three-year NBA veteran, Millsap (6-8, 250, Louisiana Tech) appeared in 76 games (38 starts) in 2008-09 averaging 13.5 points, 8.6 rebounds and 1.8 assists in 30.1 minutes per game. As a starter Millsap increased his numbers in each statistical category, averaging 16.0 points, 10.3 rebounds and 2.4 assists including a streak of 19-straight double-doubles, the longest streak in the NBA since 2006. Millsap finished the season with 29 double-doubles overall. The native of Monroe, La., also set career-highs in points (32 at Boston 12/15) and rebounds (17 at L.A. Lakers 1/2) while finishing fourth in voting for the league’s Most Improved Player award.

“We are excited to keep Paul with the Jazz,” said Jazz President Randy Rigby. “Since he arrived in 2006 he has been an integral part of our team, establishing himself as one of the up-and-coming power forwards in the NBA.”

That should heat up the Boozer trade talks.

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So are we done? We got rid of CB and blew up the team to get Gordon and CV? Not panicing or anything, well maybe I am, but that doesn't seem worth it does it? We're still not bad enough to get a good draft pick and not good enough to do any damage. I have a bad feeling we're going to go the way of the Pacers and always be just outside the playoffs but have the worst chance at getting the #1 pick.

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One other thing, is there any interest in Andre Miller by Detroit? I know he's 34, but that guy is a pretty good PG and he might come in cheap.

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