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i mean, if were going to get rid of states because we dont like who runs them, then why dont we get rid of nation states altogether and be run by a centralized world government?  

the peculiarities of this particular moment in american history are due to the continuation of people moving to urban areas in particular places.  while this right now leads to a map that favors republicans, it could very quickly switch.  for example, if enough people move to texas and florida from the north and mexico, it is not inconceivable to see those states flip to democratic control.  and if that happens, the democrats will not lose another election for a long, long time.

and then you guys can go back to loving the electoral college!  lol.

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3 hours ago, Buddha said:

plenty of other countries have states - or provinces or cantons - modelled on the old european way of governance before the rise of the modern nation state.  like switzerland or germany are now.

the us is just so much bigger than those countries it makes is harder to govern from one centralized location.  it was certainly that way in the past.

again, us federalism is never the issue when you live in a state that is governed by your party of choice, its only an issue when its not.

The issue is NOT federalism, it mal-distribution of representation. They are completely separate issues.

if the Senate disappeared tomorrow the US would still have a federal system but there would be equal representation of all citizens at federal level. If we want a 2nd more “deliberative” body, extend senate terms to 8 or 10 yrs but assign senate seats by pop.

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But without a constitutional amendment that will never happen and an amendment will never happen because those smaller states, population wise, won’t agree to it. So we are stuck with it.  
 

I don’t disagree that it wouldn’t be better. But I also don’t see it as a broken system.  It was designed that way.  Maybe it’s obsolete.  In automotive terms it’s like complaining that your original 1963 Dodge convertible wastes too much space having 4 ashtrays.  But that’s what they did back then. 

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Add PR and DC as States.

Eliminate the filibuster.

Change the Supreme Court from 9 to 13 Justices. Term limits of 18 years instead of lifetime appointment.

Change IG's to 6 year terms nominated by President and approved by Senate. But can ONLY be removed by Congressional impeachment (and Senate trial/ confirmation of impeachment). Illegal for Executive Admin to remove an IG.

Acting Director's allowed for 30 days; and then must be replaced by a Senate approved Director. If Executive Admin fails to nominate within 30 days, the Acting Director is removed, President loses the ability to nominate, and Congress gains the only authorization to nominate (but must still gain Senate approval). The Department is shut down, 100%, until a Senate approved Director obtains position.

These are a few of my favorite things...

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27 minutes ago, Oblong said:

But without a constitutional amendment that will never happen and an amendment will never happen because those smaller states, population wise, won’t agree to it. So we are stuck with it.  
 

I don’t disagree that it wouldn’t be better. But I also don’t see it as a broken system.  It was designed that way.  Maybe it’s obsolete.  In automotive terms it’s like complaining that your original 1963 Dodge convertible wastes too much space having 4 ashtrays.  But that’s what they did back then. 

This is basically where I'm at.

People in the party oughtta look at the Jon Testers and John Bel Edwardses in the Democratic Party, figure out what they are doing right in their states, and let red state candidates execute that playbook. It would probably help in evening the playing field.

That's honestly the biggest issue I have with the Democratic Party base... it's a far bigger tent party than the GOP, but on certain issues (ie. Abortion, guns), they make it really hard for candidates in southern and more conservative states to compete. 

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48 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

This is basically where I'm at.

People in the party oughtta look at the Jon Testers and John Bel Edwardses in the Democratic Party, figure out what they are doing right in their states, and let red state candidates execute that playbook. It would probably help in evening the playing field.

That's honestly the biggest issue I have with the Democratic Party base... it's a far bigger tent party than the GOP, but on certain issues (ie. Abortion, guns), they make it really hard for candidates in southern and more conservative states to compete. 

This may be where we are, but If it is we should stop patting ourselves on the back for our ‘democracy’ because ours is at best a broken down camel of a beast.

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2 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

This may be where we are, but If it is we should stop patting ourselves on the back for our ‘democracy’ because ours is at best a broken down camel of a beast.

well ACKSHUALLY its a representative government and not a democracy...lol.

nobody was crying in 2008 when the democrats had a "blue wall", the presidency and the senate.

if the election breaks biden's way, they could have all those things again and we'll enter four years of republican handwringing about demographics again.

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56 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

This is basically where I'm at.

People in the party oughtta look at the Jon Testers and John Bel Edwardses in the Democratic Party, figure out what they are doing right in their states, and let red state candidates execute that playbook. It would probably help in evening the playing field.

That's honestly the biggest issue I have with the Democratic Party base... it's a far bigger tent party than the GOP, but on certain issues (ie. Abortion, guns), they make it really hard for candidates in southern and more conservative states to compete. 

yup.

if either of the party's fanatical bases on abortion would give an inch or two they could have a reasonable solution.  

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17 minutes ago, Buddha said:

well ACKSHUALLY its a representative government and not a democracy...lol.

nobody was crying in 2008 when the democrats had a "blue wall", the presidency and the senate.

if the election breaks biden's way, they could have all those things again and we'll enter four years of republican handwringing about demographics again.

No. The problem is deeper than that. When clear majority policy preferences cannot pass from either side, it is extremely corrosive to people’s belief in the efficacy of government. And where you end up is pretty much where we are now, strangely enough..

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21 minutes ago, Buddha said:

well ACKSHUALLY its a representative government and not a democracy...lol.

nobody was crying in 2008 when the democrats had a "blue wall", the presidency and the senate.

if the election breaks biden's way, they could have all those things again and we'll enter four years of republican handwringing about demographics again.

Nobody had a problem because Obama won the popular vote and the senate represented a majority of the population. 

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1 hour ago, Edman85 said:

You don't think that department shut down would be exploited by the next Trumpy?

No. A shut-down would bypass the next Trumpy because it would go to Congress and the Senate. The President is out of the picture at that point. It would force the House and the Senate (most likely) into a moderate or compromise candidate for Director. Also... the public outcry against a shut-down Department would force Congressional cooperation, forcing the hand of a Trumpy House or Senate. Sort of like a Budgetary shutdown that produces a large outcry.

I think that works... at least in theory...

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35 minutes ago, Buddha said:

yup.

if either of the party's fanatical bases on abortion would give an inch or two they could have a reasonable solution.  

I really honestly feel that if they would give some quarter on these just these two issues, they really could reverse some of the losses in the rural areas and flip the power dynamic that the GOP currently holds.

No sacrifices on anything else... just guns and abortion

But thats a big (and probably unrealistic) ask in this day and age.

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2 hours ago, Oblong said:

But without a constitutional amendment that will never happen and an amendment will never happen because those smaller states, population wise, won’t agree to it. So we are stuck with it.  
 

I don’t disagree that it wouldn’t be better. But I also don’t see it as a broken system.  It was designed that way.  Maybe it’s obsolete.  In automotive terms it’s like complaining that your original 1963 Dodge convertible wastes too much space having 4 ashtrays.  But that’s what they did back then. 

I really can’t follow your equanimity. If you car had 1930’s non power-non hydraulic brakes you surely wouldn’t just dismiss it as not a problem because it was designed that way. If a system is no longer fit to its design purpose it needs to be redesigned. 

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Personally I think the system may be closer to the old gas or coal furnace fueled houses where you had to stand on the registers to get warm in the winter. 
 

The house is structurally sound but needs a lot of work to bring it into the 21st Century.

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53 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

I really can’t follow your equanimity. If you car had 1930’s non power-non hydraulic brakes you surely wouldn’t just dismiss it as not a problem because it was designed that way. If a system is no longer fit to its design purpose it needs to be redesigned. 

But half of the manufacturing line workers refuse to work with anything except non-power non-hydraulic brakes. They know they're losing their jobs if they relent to modernization. And you can't modernize unless they agree to it.

Hence, we are stuck with old crappy inefficient hard-to-use brakes whether we like it or not.

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you dont have to convince me that a parliamentary system would be much better than ours!

lets get it done!

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18 hours ago, mtutiger said:

I really honestly feel that if they would give some quarter on these just these two issues, they really could reverse some of the losses in the rural areas and flip the power dynamic that the GOP currently holds.

No sacrifices on anything else... just guns and abortion

But thats a big (and probably unrealistic) ask in this day and age.

Suppose Democrats give some quarter of these issues. Since guns and abortion are both zero-compromise issues for Republicans, no matter how little or how far Democrats move on the issue, wouldn’t the new Democratic positions become the new radical left position.

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18 hours ago, Gehringer_2 said:

I really can’t follow your equanimity. If you car had 1930’s non power-non hydraulic brakes you surely wouldn’t just dismiss it as not a problem because it was designed that way. If a system is no longer fit to its design purpose it needs to be redesigned. 

How would that happen in a realpolitik world?

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For all the Trumpublicans accusing Democrats of using the Supreme Court nominee’s religion against her

 

 

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I've been reading suggestions, albeit not from anyone I consider of consequence, that she be attacked for everything from her religious beliefs, to investigating her Haitian adoptions, to questioning how she can be both a good mother and a Supreme Court Judge.    Pretty awful, and I hope that cooler heads prevail among the senate Democrats.   Sexism, racism, and religious bigotry would not be good looks for the Democrats so close to an election particularly.  Her writings and judgements are fair game.

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Wasnt the adoption thing just one guy that was immediately shot down by everyone else?  

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