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Here's some of Dater's (Avs reporter) nonsense spewed

about a month ago.

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They're gripping it in Motown a little

by Adrian Dater on March 4, 2008

You gotta love Red Wings fans. They're vocal and passionate (except at Joe

Louis Arena this year, where most games have had a few thousand empty seats,

without exception - including last year's playoffs. We know, we know,

Wingnuts, it's just the economy for the reason, nothing else.).

Anywho, a couple of the Wings blogs are all up in a lather over a few

comments of mine in a posting yesterday, where I had the unmitigated gall to

say Datsyuk will be a playoff bust again this year like he always is. One

blog used the always sophisticated line of attack of using a different

spelling for my name. I'd say "Your mother" in response, but even that is

probably too intelligent for said blog.

It was also pointed out to me that he had 16 points in 18 playoff games last

year, and for that fact alone I guess I am supposed to now propose changing

the Conn Smythe Trophy to the "Pavel Datsyuk Trophy." Sixteen points in 18

games - well, let me know when the Barnabas Collins/Stan Laurel-lookalike

gets to be a point-a-game guy in the postseason, then maybe we can begin to

talk about not being a playoff bust performer. Memo to the allegedly more

sophisticated Detroit fans - your No. 1 center is supposed to get at least a

point a game in the playoffs, with all the minutes he's given.

I've got nothing personal against Barnabas/Stan, but let's call him for what

he's been in the playoffs - a bust. Did he improve slightly last year? Yeah.

Is he still a playoff bust for his career? Uh, yeah. His playoff numbers

from the previous years are: Games played: 52. Goals - 9. Points - 23. That's

Ben Guite territory.

I think the defensiveness in Detroit is coming because they're starting to

realize that they're the same team as previous recent years: very pretty in

the regular season, but not big, physical or tough enough for a long playoff

run. Guys like Barnabas/Stan get taken off their games too easily in the

playoffs, by teams like Calgary and Anaheim of recent years. The Wings still

don't like to get pushed around. But, tough luck for them is, they're going

to get pushed around come playoff time, when the whistles get swallowed more

and it becomes more of a man's game.

I'm not questioning the "toughness" of guys like Lidstrom, Cheli and even

Barnabas/Stan. They're NHL hockey players, and by definition that's a tough

human being. Much tougher than sitting on a seat in the press box, swilling

coffee and popcorn. It's just that, overall, Detroit looks beatable again

for the playoffs. Anaheim would push them around again and beat them. I

think San Jose would beat them now, with Campbell. And I'll keep with my

prediction: if the Avs get Smyth back and nobody else is hurt, the Avs beat

the Wings in the first round. Ozzie and the Dominator are too old and past

their primes, and Foppa and Footer never were and never will be intimidated

by anyone wearing the Winged Wheel.

Anyway, to the vast majority of Wings fans that I've personally come to know

as decent and intelligent: no offense. No offense taken here, either, at

whatever invective is hurled my way. Part of the job.

See you this spring.

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Wow, that guys needs to take off the Avs tinted glasses. Who is the Avs goalie again?

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The book is not slanted at all. The only shots he takes are at Keith Gave and Jason LaConfora, the writers at the time. He said they cheered in the press box and were a little shady.

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regarding, Crawford's tirade against Bowman. I got a book on the rivalry that has a transcript. I guess that was the first time it was published. I'll dig itou ttomorow and type it up. Lots of words that rhyme with punt.

I recently bought this book and read it in what seemed like no time. I've got a couple of minutes, I'll write it down here.

After Bowman said something to the linesman, Crawford got things started with a comment about the alleged plate in his head: "You don't have one? Well, whadda you got in there?

Bowman: I knew your father before you did.

Crawford: Yeah, yeah. And he think's you're a ****in' *******, too.

Bowman (to linesman): He just wants a rallying point.

Crawford: Thinks you're a ****in' *******, too.

Bowman (to Crawford): You just want a rallying point. You want a rallying point, that's all. It's over.

(muffled)

Crawford: You got your rallying point. You got yours, we got ours now. We got ours. You gonna apologize? (louder) Are you gonna apologize?

Wings associate coach Barry Smith (to Bowman): Scotty, let him go, please.

Linesman: We're gonna get the game goin', all right?

Crawford comes back and stands over glass, leaning over to the Red Wings bench.

Crawford (leaning forward, inches from Bowman's face): Are you gonna apologize for that? Are you gonna apologize for that, you ****in' old ****?

Bowman: For what?

Crawford: You ****in' old ****.

Bowman: For what?

Crawford: For ****in' Shanahan. (muffled)

Bowman makes a dismissive face.

Avalanche assistant coach Mike Foligno: That's ****in' ******** Scotty. He's ****in' down, he's ****in' pounding his head on the ice.

Crawford (to Bowman): **** you, you ****in' *******, you're a ****in' loser.

Bowman: No, he did nothing wrong.

Crawford (looking over to Red Wings players): Are you gonna apologize for that? Are you gonna apologize for that? Are you gonna apologize for that? Are you gonna apologize for that? Are you gonna apologize?

Aaron Ward: **** off. Sit down.

Crawford (looking over at Ward): Come on Ward. Come on (motions with index finger). Any ****in' time, boy, any ****in' time, ya ****in' - you're all a bunch of (expletive). Especially you, you ****in' ...

Crawford moves forward a bit and starts shaking and pointing his finger at Bowman, who has moved further down the bench, in the middle.

Foligno: Hey, he took a ****in' swing at him. The trainer took a ****in' swing at him.

Crawford (shrieking): I'll ****in' kill you. I will. I'll get you, you **********.

Beer from the stands sprays on Crawford. He looks back briefly, nearly loses his balance. Somebody grabs his left arm. The crowd is yelling, "Craw-ford." Crawford tries to gain his footing.

Crawford: I'll ****in' get you.

Linesman: Don't. Crow, don't! (to Foligno) Get him down.

Crawford (with Foligno restraining him): You ****in' old ****. You ****in' *******. I'm gonna get you. I am. I will.

Foligno (to Crawford): Come on.

Stephane Yelle and Foligno hold Crawford back.

Crawford: Your time has come, and I'm gonna get you.

Crawford walks away momentarily. Barry Smith and Steve Yzerman look at Crawford in disbelief. Crawford drops a few more F-bombs to no one in particular and talks to the linesman briefly, then walks back over to the glass partition. The crowd is yelling, "Craw-ford, Craw-ford."

Crawford (to Smith): Whose ****in' *** ya kissin' now Barry, whose *** ya kissin'? Whose *** ya kissin'?

Smith, Yzerman, and Draper look at Crawford as if witnessing a car crash.

Man, the initial preview still yielded some swear words. I had to go back and edit those again.

Here's the video of the incident:

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Here's some of Dater's (Avs reporter) nonsense spewed

about a month ago.

========================

They're gripping it in Motown a little

by Adrian Dater on March 4, 2008

You gotta love Red Wings fans. They're vocal and passionate (except at Joe

Louis Arena this year, where most games have had a few thousand empty seats,

without exception - including last year's playoffs. We know, we know,

Wingnuts, it's just the economy for the reason, nothing else.).

Anywho, a couple of the Wings blogs are all up in a lather over a few

comments of mine in a posting yesterday, where I had the unmitigated gall to

say Datsyuk will be a playoff bust again this year like he always is. One

blog used the always sophisticated line of attack of using a different

spelling for my name. I'd say "Your mother" in response, but even that is

probably too intelligent for said blog.

It was also pointed out to me that he had 16 points in 18 playoff games last

year, and for that fact alone I guess I am supposed to now propose changing

the Conn Smythe Trophy to the "Pavel Datsyuk Trophy." Sixteen points in 18

games - well, let me know when the Barnabas Collins/Stan Laurel-lookalike

gets to be a point-a-game guy in the postseason, then maybe we can begin to

talk about not being a playoff bust performer. Memo to the allegedly more

sophisticated Detroit fans - your No. 1 center is supposed to get at least a

point a game in the playoffs, with all the minutes he's given.

I've got nothing personal against Barnabas/Stan, but let's call him for what

he's been in the playoffs - a bust. Did he improve slightly last year? Yeah.

Is he still a playoff bust for his career? Uh, yeah. His playoff numbers

from the previous years are: Games played: 52. Goals - 9. Points - 23. That's

Ben Guite territory.

I think the defensiveness in Detroit is coming because they're starting to

realize that they're the same team as previous recent years: very pretty in

the regular season, but not big, physical or tough enough for a long playoff

run. Guys like Barnabas/Stan get taken off their games too easily in the

playoffs, by teams like Calgary and Anaheim of recent years. The Wings still

don't like to get pushed around. But, tough luck for them is, they're going

to get pushed around come playoff time, when the whistles get swallowed more

and it becomes more of a man's game.

I'm not questioning the "toughness" of guys like Lidstrom, Cheli and even

Barnabas/Stan. They're NHL hockey players, and by definition that's a tough

human being. Much tougher than sitting on a seat in the press box, swilling

coffee and popcorn. It's just that, overall, Detroit looks beatable again

for the playoffs. Anaheim would push them around again and beat them. I

think San Jose would beat them now, with Campbell. And I'll keep with my

prediction: if the Avs get Smyth back and nobody else is hurt, the Avs beat

the Wings in the first round. Ozzie and the Dominator are too old and past

their primes, and Foppa and Footer never were and never will be intimidated

by anyone wearing the Winged Wheel.

Anyway, to the vast majority of Wings fans that I've personally come to know

as decent and intelligent: no offense. No offense taken here, either, at

whatever invective is hurled my way. Part of the job.

See you this spring.

How many of his predictions have come to pass this post-season?

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I recently bought this book and read it in what seemed like no time. I've got a couple of minutes, I'll write it down here.

Man, the initial preview still yielded some swear words. I had to go back and edit those again.

Here's the video of the incident:

Marc Crawford = Class

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If ya watch the video Yzerman had alot to say there in the beginning. Wish it was included in the "transcript".

I met Adam Deadmarshes mother some years ago and we became friends. When Adam got married he invited the whole team but Lemieux. She told me at the time he was hated throughout the room.

On a side note Adam's mother sent me all kinds of cool memorabilia. I have every hockey card that Adam was ever on including one in his Quebec Nordiques uni (he only played 1 season before the Nordiques moved to Denver). I have perhaps 70 different cards all autographed. She also sent me a couple game used sticks that have his sig and got me tickets to a 1998 regular season game here in Detroit where I was able to get into the lockerrooms and meet Adam. I also used this time to get my Wings #19 Jersey signed by a few Red Wings.

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Thanks much for posting the transcript and YouTube video of the Bowman/Crawford clash. Its a hockey classic.

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Perhaps Marc Crawford forgot about this

the-hit.jpg

Yes ..... that one will live in infamy!!!!!.:pirate:

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Cra......Ford

Cra......Ford

Cra......Ford

Tonights going to be a nice brawl. If the wings score big in the first period, it is going to get bloody. Let's just hope nobody gets hurt.

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Crawford's an OK guy. Lost it that night, but I think that happens often, and would happen more often if dugouts and players' benches and teams on football sidelines were all right beside each other.

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Yeah, I had a chance to meet him when I was bartending downtown. He was actually really nice and glad to talk hockey - even the rivalry. Of course this was after he left Colorado.

I think that game just brought the worst out of him at that moment...

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lol "The yearly bump"

Wow, what a lovely day in NHL history... And they want to talk fighting out of hockey? This is the kind of stuff that makes kids hockey fans for life!

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Checking in to see if this got the yearly bump. I'd forgotten until a friend texted me. Glad you fellas have everything under control!

Next year, it'll be 13 years since "The Turtle." And time keeps a-movin' on ...

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Blood Feud is a great read, pick it up if you ever get the chance.

We had a huge comeback win in the playoffs last night against a rival team, maybe the good energy from March 26 lead us to victory :classic:

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