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Can a person be a true fan yet say critical things of their team?

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It seems like some sports fans are intellectually schizophrenic. Just some. They act like you can't be critical of your team but still be considered a true fan, yet you'll see them at times talkin smack about their team.

So simple question, can you be a true fan and still be critical of its decisions and players?

Or do you have to cheer on every decision and action to be considered a true fan.

And yes I'm prepared for the epic contrarian to intellectually dissect my question and make it more complex than it needs to be and I'm ready for the epic contrarian to read this very sentence and act like I'm just being paranoid about the typical message board contrarian who can't just answer a question.

I just ask this because I've been caught a times or so saying a critical thing about my team, only to be asked, "How can you call yourself a fan and say something negative and critical?"

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I have no idea what constitutes a "true fan." But I suspect that if you're willing to take the time to log on to a message board and engage in the 420th debate over whether or not Brandon Inge should be traded than you probably fit the bill regardless of which side you take.

-Tony

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Yes both those things can be one person. A true fan is the one that cares about the team, and doesn't just bounce back and forth. Although true fans can die for a while, like fan's of the lions when they just see the same things go on year after year.

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Yes both those things can be one person. A true fan is the one that cares about the team, and doesn't just bounce back and forth. Although true fans can die for a while, like fan's of the lions when they just see the same things go on year after year.

Cool so far we have

1 yes and

1 contrarian intellectual answer

It's a dead heat people.

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Wow...If my answer was construed in any way as an "intellectual" answer we're setting a pretty low bar for intellectuals. What I meant was that if you're taking the time to log on to a message board and give your two cents, then you're probably a "true fan." I'd classify it as a yes.

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I say if you aren't critical about your team from time to time, then you don't care enough to be a true fan.

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I say if you aren't critical about your team from time to time, then you don't care enough to be a true fan.

This is the correct answer.

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Yep, my response would be similar. If you aren't critical of your team, you aren't a true fan. You're just watching for the sake of entertainment and aren't emotionally invested in the outcome. Being critical isn't always a negative thing. Coaches are critical of their players, and in turn a player can take that criticism constructively and improve their game. Why should fans be any different? We may not be heard by coaches and players, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't voice our opinions on how we believe our team could and should improve.

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Wow...If my answer was construed in any way as an "intellectual" answer we're setting a pretty low bar for intellectuals. What I meant was that if you're taking the time to log on to a message board and give your two cents, then you're probably a "true fan." I'd classify it as a yes.

But there are also people who log onto message boards simply to whine, or to troll. Although many of these folks post often, it doesn't make them true fans; only pains in the butt.

However, even protracted complaining doesn't negate true fandom. I used to complain constantly about Mike Ilitch made during his first 10 years of Tiger ownership. Why did I do this? Because I love the Detroit Tigers Base Ball Club, and I hated watching what he was doing to my beloved Jungaleers.

But there was never one day during all that time that I didn't want the team on the field to win. I still watched every game possible (I had PASS), and I rooted as hard as I could for Deivi Cruz before he hit into an inning-ending double play.

I'd say anyone who constantly complains now, though, is just someone looking to whine about something. Not every decision management makes is golden, but we are certainly in the middle of a good era of Tiger baseball. Unfortunately, some folks can't sit back and enjoy the ride.

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But there are also people who log onto message boards simply to whine, or to troll. Although many of these folks post often, it doesn't make them true fans; only pains in the butt.

I don't know...I think you can also be a true fan and a pain in the butt. We've had a couple of those over the years - guys who wouldn't say anything good about the team. I always kind of assumed that was because they viewed message boards simply as a forum for debate. I never thought that really reflected on their status as fans.

-Tony

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I don't know...I think you can also be a true fan and a pain in the butt. We've had a couple of those over the years - guys who wouldn't say anything good about the team. I always kind of assumed that was because they viewed message boards simply as a forum for debate. I never thought that really reflected on their status as fans.

-Tony

That's a good point. A true fan can also be a pain in the butt.

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That's a good point. A true fan can also be a pain in the butt.

Especially if you back into one.

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Yes, without a doubt. I also think a rational fan is critical of things that they should be critical about and doesn't drink every drop of Kool-Aid that is dished out.

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I say if you aren't critical about your team from time to time, then you don't care enough to be a true fan.

Completely agree. Well said, Ty.

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I say if you aren't critical about your team from time to time, then you don't care enough to be a true fan.

100% right, I think true fans are the ones who don't love everything there team does.

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100% right, I think true fans are the ones who don't love everything there team does.

You'd used to see a lot of those fans with the Red Wings. Their analysis of the team's exploits pretty much began and ended with, "Go, Wings!"

I'm sure there are going to be an issue with the Tigers, now that they're popular again. Actually, we're already starting to see it -- the frat boys and sorority girls who show up only to be seen.

I can take the sorority girls, even if they are drinking out of those stupid elongated foo-foo cups. But the guards should escort their obnoxious boyfriends off the premises. Let 'em yell, "yeah, Tigers!" out in the parking lot.

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Fan = Fanatic. The Tigers are something like extended family to me. And like Tyrus said, if you care about them, you'll let the boys know when they are going astray. It's a "tough love" sort of deal ......

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Hell I don't think I said something that wasn't critical about the Tigers in 2003. If you can't be critical of your team I dunno if you can be a true fan.

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I can take the sorority girls, even if they are drinking out of those stupid elongated foo-foo cups. But the guards should escort their obnoxious boyfriends off the premises. Let 'em yell, "yeah, Tigers!" out in the parking lot.

I've come to the conclusion that the frat boys serve a purpose toward the common good of fandom. While the logical fan is witnessing everything go to crap during a given game, FB does his best to keep the crowd's spirits up and give people reason to keep cheering.

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great topic

1) You can not listen to or watch the 2006 World Series picther's fielding performance and not be critical. or (already mentioned) suffer through 2003 ---- it doesn't matter what kind of fan you are, you have to be critical of things like that

2) if you find joy, you need to know sorrow.

Tigers made some --- seemingly --- great moves over the winter, if the Tigers would have traded Andrew Miller for Nick Punto and a player to be named later...you can love the Big Cats, but you would have to be critical of that

lm27

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I don't know...I think you can also be a true fan and a pain in the butt. We've had a couple of those over the years - guys who wouldn't say anything good about the team. I always kind of assumed that was because they viewed message boards simply as a forum for debate. I never thought that really reflected on their status as fans.

-Tony

I agree 100% with this, Tony. There are some "fans" that are there simply to bust another fans balls about any and everything. Sometimes, I wonder why a few of the posters on this board are even here. They can't seem to move on from the bad years. I know that there have been more bad years then good years over the past 20 seasons, but why not let these past good seasons help ease that pain. Just enjoy the now, people!

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