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Meanwhile, the Tigers miss the playoffs in '07.

If Maybin ends up being the reason the Tigers miss the playoffs this year, then our team isn't all it's cracked up to be. Last I checked baseball is a team sport and the outcomes of the games are impacted by the performance of all nine players. I have asked this question numerous times and no one has bothered to try to answer it, do you think Craig Monroe would have helped this team reach the playoffs, more than Maybin can/will?

I've also said this again and it bears repeating, our pitchers are going to have alot more to say about our playoff chances than any ONE position player. That having been said, if we continue to waste scoring chances like we did yesterday, we don't belong in the playoffs. I realize it was but one game, but

Ordonez, Granderson, Thames, and Inge all failed to deliver with men in scoring position. The biggest failures were the double steal in the 3rd inning (which was a game changer), scoring only one run in the third when the bases were loaded with only one out and in the 6th when we had the bases loaded with 2 outs and failed to plate anything. One big hit and that was a different game, but could of, should of, would of!

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Dang, you missed my point completly.

I am NOT blaming missing the playoffs on calling up Maybin. I'd blame (as I have posted in various places) missing the playoffs on not adjusting to this teams' needs.

I think the move of Maybin is a non-issue as I think he'll be on par with what we had out there anyway. Barring when Polanco comes back, I think AT THIS MOMENT in time, Raburn would be much better in Left than Cameron.

This post was NOT about Cameron, it was about other issues NOT being addressed. Sorry you missed it.

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Well, I'm already knocking him down to a 4 tool player. His arm certainly doesn't appear to be above average, and he's made plenty of weak throws in his 3 day tour.

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Well, I'm already knocking him down to a 4 tool player. His arm certainly doesn't appear to be above average, and he's made plenty of weak throws in his 3 day tour.

Agreed. Weak and inaccurate arm. None of his other tools have impressed me so far either (although it's only been 3 games.)

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Well, I'm already knocking him down to a 4 tool player. His arm certainly doesn't appear to be above average, and he's made plenty of weak throws in his 3 day tour.

Probably not real smart to junk two years of scouting reports based on three games.

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Probably not real smart to junk two years of scouting reports based on three games.

I agree, but he has looked terrible out there. He hasn't come anywhere close with any of his throws so far.

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Dang, you missed my point completly.

I am NOT blaming missing the playoffs on calling up Maybin. I'd blame (as I have posted in various places) missing the playoffs on not adjusting to this teams' needs.

I think the move of Maybin is a non-issue as I think he'll be on par with what we had out there anyway. Barring when Polanco comes back, I think AT THIS MOMENT in time, Raburn would be much better in Left than Cameron.

This post was NOT about Cameron, it was about other issues NOT being addressed. Sorry you missed it.

Perhaps I missed your point, because you posted it in a Maybin related thread. Which made me think that you were saying that Maybin was the reason the Tigers wouldn't make the playoffs. Perhaps if you posted your point in a more appropriate thread, it would have been much clearer?

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Meanwhile, the Tigers miss the playoffs in '07.

How come you only say this after they lose a couple in a row and not when they win a couple in a row?

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Probably not real smart to junk two years of scouting reports based on three games.

Agreed. You can be nervous about throws, choke the ball way too much in your hand, have a bad release point, or not get your legs behind your throw. But Yikes it's looked ugly thus far. Here's to hoping it improves soon.

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Well, I'm already knocking him down to a 4 tool player. His arm certainly doesn't appear to be above average, and he's made plenty of weak throws in his 3 day tour.

I don't know how the Tigers scouts and player development folks could mistake his "average" arm for anything but that. Seems to me we need to trade this guy now, while the price is still high. I'll bet the Red Sox would give us Gagne for him, straight up.

Hurry DD, all your years in baseball are at stake here, we know how wrong your assessments were on all these players, Beckett, Verlander, Zumaya, Bonderman, Nate Robertson, Derek Lee, A.J. Burnett, Preston Wilson, Ryan Dempster, Charles Johnson, Mark Kotsay and Adrian Gonzalez among others.

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You either have a strong arm or you don't. You can't fake that part of the game. So while his throws have been poor so far in the 3 games, I trust the scouting experts who say he has a strong arm.

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Continuing the Griffey, Jr./Maybin game by game comparison (game 3):

Maybin 8/19/07 0-4 1 K BA .182

Griffey, Jr. 4/6/89 0-5 1 K GiDP BA .083

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How come you only say this after they lose a couple in a row and not when they win a couple in a row?

Because then it's no longer true. I don't see what's so hard to follow about each loss being the end of the season. :smoker:

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Probably not real smart to junk two years of scouting reports based on three games.

I've seen mixed reports on his arm, Microline is the only one I've heard *rave* about it. Either he needs surgery, or he can't throw very well. He's had plenty of throws and none of them have been accurate, or even all that impressive if they were accurate.

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Agreed. Weak and inaccurate arm. None of his other tools have impressed me so far either (although it's only been 3 games.)

Why is this not surprising coming from you? You are a very hard person to please my friend. :chinese:

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What has to be understood is that at each level the hitters swings are that much quicker. Throw in that he's playing a different position with different angles and it's not surprising to me that he's struggled a little bit. Let's give him a few weeks before calling him a bust. I've heard from too many people, both here and elsewhere, both regular people and professional scouts, that he has a great arm.

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Brent Clevlen was great in his brief call-up last season and flashed all five tools. Call him up and let him be the next Al Kaline, I say. A couple big league games tells you all you need to know about a player.

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I don't know how the Tigers scouts and player development folks could mistake his "average" arm for anything but that. Seems to me we need to trade this guy now, while the price is still high. I'll bet the Red Sox would give us Gagne for him, straight up.

Hurry DD, all your years in baseball are at stake here, we know how wrong your assessments were on all these players, Beckett, Verlander, Zumaya, Bonderman, Nate Robertson, Derek Lee, A.J. Burnett, Preston Wilson, Ryan Dempster, Charles Johnson, Mark Kotsay and Adrian Gonzalez among others.

I always read scouting reports with a grain of salt knowing teams don't want to put down prospects for fear of lowering their value or confidence. I can however judge based on a series of throws I've seen Maybin make, weak and innacurate. That is something that I expect he should be able to do, no matter how nervous or lost he is out in his new position, arm strength should show through.

Note, I didn't say to trade him for Gagne, or that he wasn't going to be a good player (red herrings you tossed in).

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Brent Clevlen was great in his brief call-up last season and flashed all five tools. Call him up and let him be the next Al Kaline, I say. A couple big league games tells you all you need to know about a player.

Brent Clevlen does have a rocket arm, he made some amazing throws in his time up with Detroit. His problem is that he can't hit very well (at least in the minor leagues).

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How come you only say this after they lose a couple in a row and not when they win a couple in a row?

Probably becasue we don't lose ground and time to make up ground in both the division and wild card after wins.

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Yoda & Co.

check the posts, I've said since the trading deadline that the Tigers would not make the playoffs. Not adjusting to team needs..........aka, not acquiring quality pitching that can win in innings 7-9 is this team's achilles heal and I've said it since the deadline. It's proven true thus far and I predict will continue.

Again, as I have given examples in the past, take today's game. Wasn't it tied late at 3-3? Possibly after 6 innings? This team didn't trade for elite, quality relief pitching and it IS paying the price, the '07 playoffs for not making an adjustment and acquiring what it needs.

I've said it for weeks now and continue. Nothing more, just this...

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aka, not acquiring quality pitching that can win in innings 7-9 is this team's achilles heal and I've said it since the deadline. It's proven true thus far and I predict will continue.

Again, as I have given examples in the past, take today's game. Wasn't it tied late at 3-3? Possibly after 6 innings? This team didn't trade for elite, quality relief pitching and it IS paying the price,

I STILL want to know just what "quality pitching" the Tigers were supposed to acquire by the deadline. Was that quality pitching by the name of Gagne, Dotel, or what? The best pitching the Tigers could acquire will be back shortly, Zumaya on Tuesday from what I've heard, Miller and Rogers sometime shortly thereafter. If those pitchers can't put us over the top, I can bet that NO pitcher that was available at the deadline, would have helped us either.

I love that so many want to rip the Tigers braintrust for failing to acquire quality arms at the deadline, yet don't seem to realize that Cleveland was even more desperate than the Tigers to acquire pitching help (they had no Zoom, Rogers or Miller coming back), but was also unable to find those arms to trade for.

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Agreed. Weak and inaccurate arm. None of his other tools have impressed me so far either (although it's only been 3 games.)

I'll take a scouts two cents before yours, sorry.

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I just don't understand how his throws could look so weak if his arm if he supposedly has a plus arm. There has been hardly any zip on the ones I've seen (which, I admit, isn't very many, b/c work has caused me to miss most of these games) and that shouldn't be the case. I could understand nerves causing his arm to be inaccurate, but I'm seeing a lack of strength as well. Right now, his arm looks like Granderson's to me -- which isn't bad, probably about average. But, the reports were a strong, accurate arm and I'm not seeing it so far.

That all said, I totally disagree with whoever said that they aren't impressed with any of his tools so far. He's already shown his power potential, his ability to hit the ball where he wants, he's shown decent plate discipline in the first couple games, he's flashed his speed a couple times. The only one I haven't seen so far is the arm.

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