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7-31-07: TRADE DEADLINE

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Obviously, if the Tigers make any trades they should get their own threads, but all of the other crazy rumors that will be flying around today should probably go in here. I vote that we also note other team's trades in here too so that we don't have to keep bouncing over to the Major League Forum. Just my two cents.

Trade deadline day is always a lot of fun. I'm looking forward to this.

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Is this thing with Pirates (Jack Wilson) for real, or is it just some people blowing smoke because DD and their GM are good buds?

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I think I have too much time on my hands, or spend too much time on this board. This morning when I woke up (before my first cup of coffee) I thought "I wonder which trade rumor will cause the board to crash?"

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I think I have too much time on my hands, or spend too much time on this board. This morning when I woke up (before my first cup of coffee) I thought "I wonder which trade rumor will cause the board to crash?"

I'm more curious to see who will be the first poster to let off some huge rant because the Tigers didn't trade away a bunch of prospects for a middle reliever. You know it's gonna happen.

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I hope the Wilson rumor is not true.

in addition to being profoundly overpaid, Wilson's overrrated as a defender and his hitting speaks for itself. the Bucs actually sat him for a stretch last year to send a message about his poor D-and he's supposedly a "defensive specialist!"

bringing him in to play regularly (either now or in the future) would be as profound an error in judgement as bringing Nefi in to play at all...

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I hope the Wilson rumor is not true.

Agreed...I'd like to see DD pull a Ricciardi and disavow this rumor publically. Though preferably with a little more class than Ricciardi did.

-Tony

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we'll probably make a deal, but it'll be a low-impact trade for someone who hasnt even been mentioned in rumors yet.

I agree. And some of the things JL has been saying lately makes it seem like he's getting tired of Monroe's slump. I loved C-Mo and it sucks that he's, well, sucking. But if he's traded I won't be surprised.

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By JON PAUL MOROSI

FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITER

Updated at 12:25 a.m.

Some thoughts, hours away from baseball’s non-waiver trade deadline at 4 p.m. Tuesday:

Don’t be surprised if you learn of a trade between the Tigers and Pittsburgh Pirates today.

The clubs have spoken in recent days – the respective general managers, Dave Dombrowski and Dave Littlefield, have a strong relationship – and there are plenty of reasons to believe a deal could happen, with Pirates shortstop Jack Wilson as the centerpiece.

Wilson wouldn’t have a starting job in Detroit – at least not right away – but he would satisfy the Tigers’ immediate need for an experienced middle infielder off the bench. He could fill in for Carlos Guillen or Placido Polanco if either were injured, and otherwise serve as a late-inning defensive substitute.

Guillen and Polanco have battled nagging injuries this season, and, given Neifi Perez’s suspension and Omar Infante’s defensive limitations, the need for a veteran infielder is obvious.

The presence of Wilson, an expert defender, would allow Jim Leyland to provide Guillen and Polanco with regular days off, in hopes of keeping them fresh for the stretch run.

Wilson has been an everyday shortstop, but he’d probably welcome the chance to play in Detroit after seven consecutive losing seasons in Pittsburgh. He seems to be the type of player Leyland likes – Leyland, of course, scouted his games in Pittsburgh – and Wilson played for Lloyd McClendon while with the Pirates.

In the long term, Wilson would provide the Tigers with an option at shortstop if they choose to move Guillen to first base. (Guillen isn’t going anywhere, of course, after signing a four-year, $48-million contract extension through 2011.) Detroit’s top shortstops in the minor leagues – Ramon Santiago, Tony Giarratano, and Brent Dlugach – are injured, with Giarratano and Dlugach likely lost for the season.

Any deal involving Wilson has the potential to expand, as the Pirates could send a veteran relief pitcher – such as Shawn Chacon, Damaso Marte or Salomon Torres – to Detroit.

The reliever could serve as an important item on the deal’s balance sheet, since Wilson has more than $14 million remaining on his contract after this season. If Littlefield is willing to include a pitcher, the Tigers may be willing to assume a greater portion of Wilson’s salary.

Wilson is in the first season of a three-year, $20.2-million contract that will continue through 2009, with a club option for 2010. The deal includes a limited no-trade clause, but, with his future in Pittsburgh clouded by the arrival of Cesar Izturis, it’s likely that Wilson would waive those rights and accept a deal to Detroit.

• The Tigers continue to have radio silence when it comes to any communication with the Texas Rangers. So, that means no Eric Gagne, no Akinori Otsuka, no C.J. Wilson, and no Joaquin Benoit. Gagne could end up in Boston.

• I don’t believe the Tigers and Yankees have engaged in any serious talks on Kyle Farnsworth. I have a hard time thinking New York would help the team that eliminated it from last year’s playoffs, anyway. In my view, Farnsworth would have been a more expensive version of Jason Grilli, only without the cool haircut.

• The Tigers had a scout in Kansas City all last week, but reports say Royals closer Octavio Dotel is heading to Atlanta.

• Detroit talked with Houston officials over the weekend, but it does not appear that they are close on a deal involving Chad Qualls.

• I’ve found no evidence to suggest that the Tigers are involved in serious talks for either of Tampa Bay’s veteran relievers, Al Reyes or Dan Wheeler, but that could change.

• The Tigers are not alone in their pursuit of Clint Barmes. One Rockies official said Monday that four other teams had called to express interest in the Triple-A shortstop.

• Leyland has always praised Omar Infante’s versatility, but I wonder if Ryan Raburn’s emergence as a valuable reserve player could change Infante’s role.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070731/SPORTS02/70730066/1050

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Tuesday, July 31, 2007

By Dejan Kovacevic, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Jack Wilson never has played for a winner, much less a World Series contender.

That could change by sunset.

According to two team sources, the Pirates are discussing a deal with the Detroit Tigers that would send their shortstop and highest-paid player to one of the American League's elite teams by Major League Baseball's non-waiver trading deadline at 4 p.m. today.

Detroit manager Jim Leyland covets a sound defensive shortstop to give him options other than Carlos Guillen, and he is intimately familiar with Wilson, having scouted games at PNC Park for the St. Louis Cardinals before taking his current job. The Tigers' thinking, apparently, is that Wilson could be a reserve down the stretch, then the regular shortstop in 2008 while Guillen, who will turn 33 this fall, moves to first base or designated hitter.

Wilson and his agent, Page Odle, were getting phone calls about the potential deal beginning early yesterday morning and throughout the day.

"I guess we'll just see what happens," Wilson said.

Pirates general manager Dave Littlefield's return will be negligible if Detroit assumes most or all of Wilson's contract, which pays a $5.25 million salary this season and $14.5 million for the next two. Industry observers say it is enormously unlikely the Pirates would find any team to take all of it.

Under any circumstance, Detroit would be reluctant to part with players off its 25-man roster because of its contender status. But the Pirates might receive better value if they include another player, and there, too, the teams' needs dovetail: The Tigers are searching for bullpen help, and the Pirates' only other players on the block are relievers Shawn Chacon, Salomon Torres and Damaso Marte.

Detroit had been pursuing the top two relievers available on the market, but the Kansas City Royals' Octavio Dotel seemed set to go to Atlanta last night, and Texas' Eric Gagne has a no-trade clause that is quelling speculation that he will leave the Rangers without a great price.

Wilson, 29, has been the Pirates' shortstop since 2001, but his future with the team was put in doubt July 19, when Littlefield acquired Cesar Izturis, another shortstop with a similar profile and pedigree, from the Chicago Cubs.

Wilson is batting .249, but his .982 fielding percentage ranks fourth among National League shortstops, more than meeting Detroit's wish for a defensive upgrade at the position. Also, Wilson would be reunited with Tigers hitting coach Lloyd McClendon, who was his manager in Pittsburgh when he had 201 hits in 2004.

Even if Wilson stays put, one or more of the three relievers probably will be traded. There is no shortage of teams seeking that commodity, and Chacon, Torres and Marte are three of the top five relievers known to be available.

Chief among the potential suitors, as of late last night, were the Los Angeles Dodgers and Boston Red Sox.

The Dodgers, who have scouted the Pirates more than anyone the past two weeks, are desperate for pitching, starting or relief. Their primary focus, as a result, is believed to be on Chacon, who can do both, but they also like Marte.

Los Angeles has a wealth of young talent to offer in return, but third baseman Andy LaRoche -- Adam LaRoche's brother -- probably would not make a match. A source in Los Angeles said that a more realistic target is another infielder, Wilson Betemit, but the New York Yankees are pursuing Betemit, too, dangling middle reliever Scott Proctor.

The Red Sox have eyed Torres and Marte for weeks, as have the Yankees. But each team remains focused on Gagne. The Braves inquired about Marte, too, but a source in Atlanta said management there was put off by Littlefield's request for a major-league player.

Littlefield, who has made at least one move at the deadline in each of his first six seasons as general manager, has said he expects any trade this year to be a traditional player-for-player swap -- the kind one usually sees in the offseason -- as opposed to paring from the payroll. He also has said that his priority is adding offense and starting pitching, though the latter is in terribly short supply.

"We're certainly very active in talks," Littlefield said. "If there's something out there that fits for us and it's an upgrade for us, we're certainly going to try to make that happen."

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07212/805699-63.stm

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By Troy E. Renck

Denver Post Staff Writer

Article Last Updated: 07/31/2007 12:21:39 AM MDT

Fort Lauderdale, Fla. - It's on this day that baseball's general managers become Howie Mandel, posing the question: Deal or No Deal? While considering the Detroit Tigers' offer for Triple-A shortstop Clint Barmes, the Rockies continued to aggressively pursue late-inning relief help, with Troy Percival, Julian Tavarez and Salomon Torres among the targets.

According to opposing executives, the Rockies told teams last week that they hadn't determined whether they were buyers or sellers. A successful homestand that drew them within 3 1/2 games of the National League West lead has left them in search of parts rather than trying to move LaTroy Hawkins, Aaron Cook, Rodrigo Lopez or Brian Fuentes. The last two are dealing with injuries.

The Rockies have been searching for a No. 2 starter and a strong-armed reliever while monitoring the catcher market that now includes Texas' Gerald Laird.

Given the underwhelming market, rotation help will likely come internally with the return of Jason Hirsh and the eventual promotion of Franklin Morales. The White Sox aren't shopping Jon Garland, a Rockies target, but have judiciously asked a few teams what they would surrender for the right-hander.

The White Sox have had multiple conversations with the Los Angeles Dodgers, who are reeling a bit after injuries to starters Randy Wolf and Derek Lowe. There's a dramatic drop after Garland, with the following three pitchers expected to change addresses today: the White Sox's Jose Contreras, Baltimore's Steve Trachsel and Toronto's Josh Towers.

With Texas' Akinori Otsuka hurt, the Rockies have focused on Percival, who has a close relationship with Colorado special assistant Marcel Lachemann, while waiting to see if Tampa Bay makes Dan Wheeler available. The next available group includes Torres, Al Reyes, Chad Qualls, Jon Rauch and Chad Cordero.

Laird is available with Texas' acquisition of catcher Jarrod Saltalamacchia from Atlanta. Manager Clint Hurdle admitted the Rockies are reaching a crossroads with rookie Chris Iannetta on whether he needs a refresher course in Triple-A to regain his confidence.

http://www.denverpost.com/rockies/ci_6503605

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Detroit manager Jim Leyland covets a sound defensive shortstop to give him options other than Carlos Guillen, and he is intimately familiar with Wilson, having scouted games at PNC Park for the St. Louis Cardinals before taking his current job. The Tigers' thinking, apparently, is that Wilson could be a reserve down the stretch, then the regular shortstop in 2008 while Guillen, who will turn 33 this fall, moves to first base or designated hitter.

I guess the thinking is here that Casey would be moving on, therefore we'd need to replace him with another horrible hitter from Pittsburgh.

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I realize that Wilson would be a very overpaid backup SS, but look at how much Neifi got. I've love to see the Tigers land Barmes though.

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I don’t believe the Tigers and Yankees have engaged in any serious talks on Kyle Farnsworth. I have a hard time thinking New York would help the team that eliminated it from last year’s playoffs, anyway. In my view, Farnsworth would have been a more expensive version of Jason Grilli, only without the cool haircut.

Oh good God. PASS. Immediately.

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Is Jack Hannahan not an option to back up Guillen and Polanco?
Don't think Hannahan has played SS, but perhaps someone will correct me ....

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I understand and somewhat agree on the idea of another SS to eventually move CG over to first, but I really hope that this is not the only deal that we make...meaning, not getting RP help. I don't know. I'm not a baseball GM. I was shocked last year by the Casey move, but it has worked out OK. So really, think about this, how much "celing" does Shelton have if we do go out and get Wilson to "eventually" be the every day SS and CG being the everyday 1b? Why wouldn't we try to move him (Shelton)? You would have to think that we would.

I'm not going to freak out if we don't get a RP, but I'm not convinced that our most pressing need is at SS.

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I'm not going to freak out if we don't get a RP, but I'm not convinced that our most pressing need is at SS.

Nobody said it was. As a GM, you don't just go short-sighted and only look at your most pressing need. You have to look at every position and make upgrades wherever necessary, depending on who is available and for the right price. It isn't as simple is just going out and getting a reliever just because that's what we need the most.

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If they really intend on having someone like Wilson or Barmes be the starting shortstop next season then they might as well not make a trade and just bring Neifi Perez back, they all hit about the same and Neifi is the best defender of the bunch.

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Also, I'm surprised no teams over ask about Infante, or am I over-rating him?

yeah yeah someone giving their opinion, but I've never felt Infante was worth the raving he was given.

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Why not have Polanco be the backup SS, and you can have Infante and Raburn back him up at 2B?

Polanco has had several games at SS in the past (and has never made an error there either).

That way we dont have to clutter our roster with backup infielder fodder and we can get an extended look at Raburn.

If we want to get Barmes as a possible backup middle infielder of the future thing, then thats fine...but I'm not convinced that we dont have ample options within our own organization right now. Henry Mateo probably isnt significantly worse than Barmes or Wilson.

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