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Speaking of Pink Floyd, outlaw-country artist Cody Jinks (whose music I enjoy immensely) did a country cover of Wish You Were Here . . .

 

 

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7 hours ago, lordstanley said:

Wow!

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/11/us/master-recordings-universal-fire.html

 

Recordings by Elton John, Nirvana and Thousands More Lost in Fire

A New York Times investigation has revealed that decades of Universal Music Group treasures burned in 2008.

How does a major record label let something like that happen?  I have 2 back ups of my pictures for FFS.  2 Separate external HD's that are in 2 different locations.

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1 hour ago, John_Brian_K said:

How does a major record label let something like that happen?  I have 2 back ups of my pictures for FFS.  2 Separate external HD's that are in 2 different locations.

We have seen your photobucket account. Definitely worth having them stored in separate locations in case of a fire. 

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2 hours ago, John_Brian_K said:

How does a major record label let something like that happen?  I have 2 back ups of my pictures for FFS.  2 Separate external HD's that are in 2 different locations.

Clearly they have backups. Especially now that everything has been converted to digital. It's the original, master recordings that they lost. They would have been on reels. I don't have a lot of experience with reel to reel recording, but I don't think you can just back them up in an editable format like the master copy. I'm sure G2 can probably research it real quick and tell us. 

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I'm guessing what is lost is some flexibility for future enhancements or releases.... things you could only get by going back to the original.. but maybe thta's not true either.

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1 minute ago, Oblong said:

I'm guessing what is lost is some flexibility for future enhancements or releases.... things you could only get by going back to the original.. but maybe thta's not true either.

Exactly. You can't do a legit remaster/remix anymore. You can still kind of do that, just not with the accuracy you could with the originals. I'm personally not a big fan of remastering/mixing. It's basically what George Lucas did to Star Wars. Leave it alone. It doesn't have to change with time. One exception is the remix of Pearl Jam's Ten. Sounds so much better without all that reverb. If you enjoy that album, give it a listen. 

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Off the top of my head, one issue with no longer having the master is that if we ever go to some sort of 3D audio, they probably can't do that without the master. Even if they wanted to convert it to surround sound. Don't think you can do that in a very accurate way. You're going to get some loss in quality if you split up the tracks digitally. Maybe we'll be better at that in the future but who knows. 

 

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2 hours ago, John_Brian_K said:

How does a major record label let something like that happen?  I have 2 back ups of my pictures for FFS.  2 Separate external HD's that are in 2 different locations.

The only possible explanation is gross incompetence.

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52 minutes ago, Yoda said:

'sClearly they have backups. Especially now that everything has been converted to digital. It's the original, master recordings that they lost. They would have been on reels. I don't have a lot of experience with reel to reel recording, but I don't think you can just back them up in an editable format like the master copy. I'm sure G2 can probably research it real quick and tell us. 

This is weird. Something in what I'm writing here is making this post go the the Billy Sims BBQ screen of death. Let's try it again and change up the syntax....

Yes. G2 was a big open reel tape guy back in the day. Sadly, I never owned a mastering machine!

In any case, a 2" 16 track master would usually be a 'one-of'. It was either the track directly from the mics or the first mix from individual track recordings. It would get mixed down in some number of steps to 2 tracks and that 2 track tape would drive the cutting lathe for making vinyl stereo record pressing masters. I have no idea what studios did with with sub-masters but stuff like that could be laying around. Then again, the thing about tape is that good tape wasn't cheap and it was re-usable so maybe not.

In the analog world, every copy produces degradation. To get the best copy possible of a master you would have to rerecord at real-time speed (no high speed shortcutting like was used for cassette duplication) onto the same media. That means you had to take a lot of time, spend a lot for the tape (I'd guess in today dollars a 2" master tape on its carry reel would have to be several hundred bucks), get access to *2* 16 track mastering decks, then pay for the additional storage space. Just an undertaking no-one regarded as worthwhile at the time.

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Pretty much about what I figure. I have to image all record companies have a ton of valuable master recordings without backups. Same for a lot of movies. 

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22 minutes ago, Yoda said:

Pretty much about what I figure. I have to image all record companies have a ton of valuable master recordings without backups. Same for a lot of movies. 

the old movie libraries were worse because the silent era film was nitrocellulose based. It literally becomes explosive after enough years - very dangerous to handle and many old films and film libraries were lost to fire. Early audio recording tape was cellulose-acetate based and it pretty much goes to dust after 20-30 yrs- I don't now how much of any of that would still be salvageable today if it hadn't been kept under archive conditions. OTOH, by somewhere in the 60's-70s, recording tape base all went to polyester. (film already had). That stuff lasts forever. I still have a few open reel recordings that are 40 yrs old and would be perfectly playable if I still had a deck set-up  - though I digitized them long ago.

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Neutral Milk Hotel...comfort listening to his uncomfortable screech

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I had previously linked to the first single from Springsteen's new album a few week ago. The album, Western Stars, finally dropped last night at midnight (9pm PT Thursday) and for the first time in recent memory it amazingly did not leak beforehand. So like in the olden days, my fellow fans all pretty well first listened around the same time. I've got  a few dozen "friends" (people I've met at concerts at least once over the years) through Springsteen throughout Canada and the U.S. and even Europe so new release day is like a reunion of sorts. I won't bore you with my detailed thoughts on the album, as I know sentiment towards him is divided and I totally get that; he's not for everyone. The album is generally getting very good reviews.  https://www.metacritic.com/music/western-stars/bruce-springsteen   I think it's good but not quite as good as some of the reviews. I'd give it a 7.5 out of 10, maybe an 8.0, and when all is said and done I'll probably rank it around 12th of his 19 studio albums. Pretty impressive for a 69 year old. I do think this song is gorgeous, one of his top 5 or top 10 from the 2002-today era.

 

 

 

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On 6/13/2019 at 9:42 AM, ROMAD1 said:

Neutral Milk Hotel...comfort listening to his uncomfortable screech

Aeroplane is one of the greatest records ever, I love it so much

 

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11 hours ago, lordstanley said:

I had previously linked to the first single from Springsteen's new album a few week ago. The album, Western Stars, finally dropped last night at midnight (9pm PT Thursday) and for the first time in recent memory it amazingly did not leak beforehand. So like in the olden days, my fellow fans all pretty well first listened around the same time. I've got  a few dozen "friends" (people I've met at concerts at least once over the years) through Springsteen throughout Canada and the U.S. and even Europe so new release day is like a reunion of sorts. I won't bore you with my detailed thoughts on the album, as I know sentiment towards him is divided and I totally get that; he's not for everyone. The album is generally getting very good reviews.  https://www.metacritic.com/music/western-stars/bruce-springsteen   I think it's good but not quite as good as some of the reviews. I'd give it a 7.5 out of 10, maybe an 8.0, and when all is said and done I'll probably rank it around 12th of his 19 studio albums. Pretty impressive for a 69 year old. I do think this song is gorgeous, one of his top 5 or top 10 from the 2002-today era.

 

 

 

That is a beautiful piece. It's the 'old man's song', the life of being left behind when thing are falling away from you. 

The 'shot by John Wayne" image is just  brilliant writing.

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If any one younger than LS and me want a capsule experience in change in American culture in 50 yrs  listen to this song and Sinatra's - "Autumn of My Years" back to back. I feel like I could write a book....

....but I won't.

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8 hours ago, pfife said:

Aeroplane is one of the greatest records ever, I love it so much

 

I was bopping along to it with headphones on in the slave galley where I work.  Didn’t care. 

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10 hours ago, pfife said:

Aeroplane is one of the greatest records ever, I love it so much

 

Yeah. And I love how it became such a lasting thing. I’m trying to remember an article from last year about it. 

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10 hours ago, pfife said:

Aeroplane is one of the greatest records ever, I love it so much

 

 

20 minutes ago, Shelton said:

Yeah. And I love how it became such a lasting thing. I’m trying to remember an article from last year about it. 

Here it is:

https://pitchfork.com/features/article/how-neutral-milk-hotels-in-the-aeroplane-over-the-sea-became-a-polarizing-cult-classic/

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2 hours ago, Shelton said:

That's great.  I'm sure you've been exposed the hiphop mashup that someone did.

https://psycosis.bandcamp.com/album/in-my-g4-over-da-sea

These songs are almost as good.

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