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Regarding the $5,000 a head Owners Suite All-Star bash. The fact is MLB has rules against owners being involved in gambling. These rules prohibit franchise owners from becoming involved in casinos. Yes, maybe the rule is outdated, but the Illitches should then lobby the other owners to have the rules changed. They should not be allowed to make a mockery of the rules for the sake of lining their pockets.

Pete Rose has to abide by the rules. "Shoeless" Joe has to abide by the rules. Mr. Illitch should abide by the rules.

Bud Selig needs to grow a pair.

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Originally posted by tiger_fan_for_life

Now why would I do something as dumb as that?

I love how you twist words to fit your current mood.

:confused::dead::alien:

Then you have to modify your statement that Ilitch is the worst owner. Monoghan was. It's not even close. No objective analysis can draw you to that conclusion.

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Originally posted by ToledoTigerFan

Gotta disagree. One or both of the Illitch's certainly knew of MLB's restriction on gambling interests mixing with the game in even a roundabout way. And saying that their business interests are totally seperate is a tad hard to swallow and even harder to believe, given that they're married.

Ignorance of the rules is no excuse. You have your choice Mr. I, gambling or baseball? Which is it? You can't have both, period.

Everything in my post was sarcastic, I was basicly mocking this board's standard Ilitch defense. I pretty much despise the Ilitchs, read my sig line.

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Originally posted by rhino

Monaghan was not a good owner. He admits buying the Tigers was an ego trip, he wasn't really interested in running the team and as soon as he came to realize that he was smart enough to sell.

Unfortunately, Mr. Illitch is not so humble to realize he has been just as bad. Tiger Fans have been made to suffer for the sake of his ego, until he had the good fortune to come across Dave Dombrowski. If any credit can be handed out for the positive steps we have taken it belongs fully to DD with a side note that Mr. Illitchs enormous ego finally worked in Tiger Fans favor when he hit rock bottom and became the laughing stock of the Major Leagues by holding the simultanous titles as Best Hockey Club owner and Worst Baseball Club owner. Men with egos that large and pockets deep enough to do something about it, do not take humiliation lightly. His eyes were finally opened past his Fox Theatre District empire of $20.00 parking lots, the cash cow that is the concessions and his decaying, yet appreciating, real estate holdings. Thus bringing about the newly dedicated, newly interested, "I will spend until I win" Mr Illitch.

I think this is the best post I've read this year.

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Originally posted by rhino

Monaghan was not a good owner. He admits buying the Tigers was an ego trip, he wasn't really interested in running the team and as soon as he came to realize that he was smart enough to sell.

Unfortunately, Mr. Illitch is not so humble to realize he has been just as bad. Tiger Fans have been made to suffer for the sake of his ego, until he had the good fortune to come across Dave Dombrowski. If any credit can be handed out for the positive steps we have taken it belongs fully to DD with a side note that Mr. Illitchs enormous ego finally worked in Tiger Fans favor when he hit rock bottom and became the laughing stock of the Major Leagues by holding the simultanous titles as Best Hockey Club owner and Worst Baseball Club owner. Men with egos that large and pockets deep enough to do something about it, do not take humiliation lightly. His eyes were finally opened past his Fox Theatre District empire of $20.00 parking lots, the cash cow that is the concessions and his decaying, yet appreciating, real estate holdings. Thus bringing about the newly dedicated, newly interested, "I will spend until I win" Mr Illitch.

The two situations couldn't be more different, though. Ilitch spent good money after bad by relying on a poor GM -- a GM, btw, who was considered one of the brightest young execs in the game at the time Ilitch hired him. Ilitch's failures cannot be blamed on "not caring", whereas Monoghan's can. To Ilitch's credit, he fired Smith (albeit not soon enough) and replaced him with an exec with a proven track record.

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Originally posted by Oblong

Mr. Ilitch doesn't own a casino.

Can you really type that with a straight face?

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Originally posted by WMUDan

I think this is the best post I've read this year.

You need to read more posts then.

(although I will not argue he makes some good points)

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Originally posted by estrepe1

Illitch is committed to winning. Unfortunately he backed the wrong GM in trying to do so. His failings as a Tigers owner lie in the fact that he stuck with Smith far too long.

I am still not convinced he's committed to winning. Committed to making the team competitive? Sure the past years show that but unfortunately there's a big difference between committed to being competitive and committed to winning.

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Originally posted by TigersMeow79

Sure the past years show that but unfortunately there's a big difference between committed to being competitive and committed to winning.

The difference is simple really... teams committed to winning make more money.

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Originally posted by holygoat

To Ilitch's credit, he fired Smith (albeit not soon enough) and replaced him with an exec with a proven track record.

ilitch didn't fire randy smith. David Dombrowski did.

The only credit ilitch deserves is 12 straight losing seasons of Tiger Baseball.

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Originally posted by tiger_fan_for_life

ilitch didn't fire randy smith. David Dombrowski did.

The only credit ilitch deserves is 12 straight losing seasons of Tiger Baseball.

It's amazing that, while you've continued to have this whole line of "reasoning" blown out of the water time and time again, you hold on to it as some sort of security blanket.

Don't hate Mike Illitch because you think he doesn't care, blame Mike Illitch because you're bitter and misguided.

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Originally posted by WMUDan

Can you really type that with a straight face?

Mike Ilitch and Marian Ilitch are two different people.

If there was an issue then MLB can deal with it. I don't particularly care.

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In the mid-'90s I worked for a Detroit PR firm that had Domino's Pizza - and by extension, Tom Monaghan - as a client. The biggest horror story told by the long-timers was of the time Monaghan bought some ridiculously expensive classic car and asked the firm to call a press conference at Tiger Stadium so he could announce that he had bought it.

They tried to talk him out of it, but to no avail.

Ilitch has his shortcomings as an owner, but his level of cluelessness doesn't even approach Monaghan's.

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Originally posted by WMUDan

Can you really type that with a straight face?

I have said in a previous post that Marian Ilitch's involvement with the casino stinks, but it is possible for a married person to own a business that their spouse does not own.

My wife doesn't own a single share of my company. Maybe MLB should extend the ban to include spouses, but if they have not done so, this is regrettably allowable.

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Originally posted by One Man's Fool

In the mid-'90s I worked for a Detroit PR firm that had Domino's Pizza - and by extension, Tom Monaghan - as a client. The biggest horror story told by the long-timers was of the time Monaghan bought some ridiculously expensive classic car and asked the firm to call a press conference at Tiger Stadium so he could announce that he had bought it.

They tried to talk him out of it, but to no avail.

Ilitch has his shortcomings as an owner, but his level of cluelessness doesn't even approach Monaghan's.

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There's big-time money in classic cars. As a matter of fact, the last surviving partner at Motor City Casino (Tom Celani) - prior to Ilitch buying him out, has a fabulous car collection worth maybe a $100M.

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Originally posted by Triple Se7en

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There's big-time money in classic cars. As a matter of fact, the last surviving partner at Motor City Casino (Tom Celani) - prior to Ilitch buying him out, has a fabulous car collection worth maybe a $100M.

Maybe so, but calling a press conference to announce you bought one is idiotic.

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Originally posted by One Man's Fool

Maybe so, but calling a press conference to announce you bought one is idiotic.

Holding said press conference at Tiger Stadium makes this even more so.

Willie Mays was suspended from MLB functions for flimsier connections to gambling than the Ilitches have. The "Mike isn't Marian" refrain seems a bit forced to me.

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It's not forced, it's a fact. She doesn't own the team. He doesn't own the casino.

Where do you draw the line? Children? Cousins? Parents? In Laws?

The issue is more complex than message board fodder anyway. Does Ilitch Holdings own the casino? If there's an issue MLB will take care of it.

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Originally posted by Oblong

It's not forced, it's a fact. She doesn't own the team. He doesn't own the casino.

Where do you draw the line? Children? Cousins? Parents? In Laws?

The issue is more complex than message board fodder anyway. Does Ilitch Holdings own the casino? If there's an issue MLB will take care of it.

I believe a marriage can be treated as a partnership in legal matters. So I think the line is already drawn at spouses.

There are a lot of issues through the years that MLB should have taken care of and haven't or didn't until forced to by outside pressure-- steroids is the most recent and glaring.

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Originally posted by holygoat

Ilitch's failures cannot be blamed on "not caring", whereas Monoghan's can.

So many things to respond to in this thread, but time doesn't permit me to pick out all of them. I'll start with this. Q: What was Ilitch doing when the Tigers lost 119 games? A: Hiding from the fans and media. He did not care. He was spending money on goalies while the Tigers became the worst team in baseball history.

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Originally posted by Oblong

but what about gambling/casino issues?

They've come down hard on players. Not so with owners it seems. Why did Mays get the suspension and the Ilitches are allowed to own a team? It seems inconsistent and the Mike is not Marian refrain is weak IMO.

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What about other owners? You are "begging the question" by assuming that something's true which we are trying to figure out and using that to back up your argument.

Steinbrenner was suspended for associating with that Spiro guy. Was that gambling related? I don't recall teh specifics.

I'm making the argument that I don't think anything funny is going on because if it were baseball would do something about it because they don't like the associations.

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Originally posted by tigersfan25

Tom Monaghan deserves that title...

Pretty close tie with Fetzer. Fetzer allowed Monaghan to buy the Tigers with a down payment of the 1984 gate receipts, he knew he did not have the money.

Fetzer starting cleaning up the books in the early 70s when he decided he wanted to sell the team. Which included not picking expensive players in the draft. If not for the lucky 1977 draft the Tigers might be looking at 30 years of fustration.

BTW, baseball has already approved the Tigers and the casino interest since Marian's name appears no where in the baseball team documents, neither do the kids. Why? Becuase except for the old man they all hate baseball and have been against this purchase from the start.

Remember Rules are Rules and the Tigers have already passed them

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