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Well lets hope for the best, but it just seems like all we get is damage goods here in Detroit.

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In what way was Dean damaged when he came here? And what pro athlete doesn't have a few bumps and bruises?

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Injuries can happen to any player - which is why all long term contracts are always risky. Even the Carlos Beltran contract is a risk. With the knee out-clause, we've basically made it as though we've signed a healthy player. If his back or shoulder gets messed up this season or anytime during the length of the contract, that's just the risk you take. Carlos Delgado, Adrian Beltre, Troy Glaus, JD Drew, Carl Pavano are basically all at equal risk of getting hurt as Maggs sans his left knee is - and we are not on the hook for his left knee this season.

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And what pro athlete doesn't have a few bumps and bruises?

Maglio is coming in with quite a few more bumps and bruises than the average pro-athlete.

I don't think Palmer was nearly the injury risk when we signed him that Magglio is, but Palmer also wasn't nearly as good a player as Magglio, and that's pretty important to remember.

With the knee out-clause, we've basically made it as though we've signed a healthy player.

Only if the knee is injured this year. And I don't think the knee injury clause voids his current contract, so we're still spending 12 million to find out if we have a healthy player.

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Originally posted by qsilvr2531

Maglio is coming in with quite a few more bumps and bruises than the average pro-athlete.

Thank you for pointing out this useful information. :cheeky:

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A twist: I don't remember how many days Magglio's allowed to be on the D.L. for, but let's say it's 25. If, with 22 days left in the 2005 season, Magglio is running to first and his knee explodes, sending chunks of his shin, calf and foot hurtling into the stands and rendering him unable to walk without a prosthesis for the rest of his life, we'll still owe him another $63 million because he'd only have spent 22 days on the disabled list.

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You have to believe that if he can make it through this season with no knee issues, then the surgery was a success and that the knee was corrected back to it's pre-injury from.

I'm sure there would have been a long list of teams that would have been willing to sign Magglio Ordonez to a one-year $12M contract to see where his knee is at. I also believe that if he signed a one-year deal with a team and was proven healthy and put up his 2000-2003 average numbers, that he would have gotten more money and probably five years guarenteed and not even considered the Tigers, whereas we'll only be on the hook for 4 more guarenteed years. Look at next years free-agent class and tell me that a healthy Magglio wouldn't be the cream of the crop.

If he signed a one-year contract and his knee caused problems again, the team would lose $12M and wouldn't be interested in signing him. We're in a similar boat as we could walk away if his knee isn't "fixed". I mean what is 25 days on the DL?? Two minimum stints??

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Originally posted by Big Toe

A twist: I don't remember how many days Magglio's allowed to be on the D.L. for, but let's say it's 25. If, with 22 days left in the 2005 season, Magglio is running to first and his knee explodes, sending chunks of his shin, calf and foot hurtling into the stands and rendering him unable to walk without a prosthesis for the rest of his life, we'll still owe him another $63 million because he'd only have spent 22 days on the disabled list.

That would be dumb luck, but yes we would be on the hook for the remainder. Then again, since Carlos Beltran could crash into the outfield fence and destroy his knee or Carl Pavano could slip in the shower and shatter his elbow does this mean that we no longer sign multi-year deals?? That's professional sports(except the NFL) boys and girls.

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Originally posted by Shaggy Ry

That would be dumb luck, but yes we would be on the hook for the remainder.

You are not on the hook for anything, unless you work for the Tigers.

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Originally posted by Motor City Sonics

You are not on the hook for anything, unless you work for the Tigers.

I thought it was pretty common knowledge that I am Scott Reid...

As a fan I would be "emotionally" on the hook, understanding that there is a good chance that we'd be crap for the next while if such an injury happened. I know fanboys saying "we" in relation to the team must be a pet peeve of yours, but I really don't see anything wrong with it.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it pretty common for teams to take out insurence policies on their players? So that if the case that we're relatively safe.

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Originally posted by RedRamage

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it pretty common for teams to take out insurence policies on their players? So that if the case that we're relatively safe.

I dunno. Red Wings didn't have insurance on defensemen of a couple seasons ago Uwe Krupp. It might be cost prohibitive to insure all of your players; cheaper to eat the one injury contract than insure the lot of them. I have to believe that not too many companies would sign off on that knee.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it pretty common for teams to take out insurence policies on their players? So that if the case that we're relatively safe.

It's extremely difficult to get insurance on contracts for more than 3 years right now. At least that is what has been reported in the papers. I'm not sure if that means that any contract longer than 3 years won't be insured, or if it means that a team can only choose 3 years of a contract to be insured.

Pre-existing injuries are almost never insured.

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Originally posted by Shaggy Ry

Injuries can happen to any player - which is why all long term contracts are always risky. Even the Carlos Beltran contract is a risk. With the knee out-clause, we've basically made it as though we've signed a healthy player. If his back or shoulder gets messed up this season or anytime during the length of the contract, that's just the risk you take. Carlos Delgado, Adrian Beltre, Troy Glaus, JD Drew, Carl Pavano are basically all at equal risk of getting hurt as Maggs sans his left knee is - and we are not on the hook for his left knee this season.

That's probably the most intelligent comment I've seen posted anywhere in regards to this contract. This game is a gamble. If i remember right, Juan Gonzalez was healthy when he came to Detroit. We all know how that panned out.

Nothings for sure. If that were the case, NY would be on it's 10th straight world series title run.

Gotta take some chances to. Sometimes you end up with yoke in your eyes.

Atleast we're doing something.

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I agree with that past part. At least we're doing something. In years past, all we ever heard during the down years was "we're in a rebuilding mode", but they rarely built anything. They're rebuilding now, just in a different way than in the past. They're playing the modern game.

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If i remember right, Juan Gonzalez was healthy when he came to Detroit. We all know how that panned out.

It's not like Gonzalex came in with no injury history though.

Baseball is a gamble, but I'd rather see the Tigers spend their time at the poker table as opposed to the craps table.

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Originally posted by qsilvr2531

It's not like Gonzalex came in with no injury history though.

Baseball is a gamble, but I'd rather see the Tigers spend their time at the poker table as opposed to the craps table.

That was probably your best post ever.

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I don't think Palmer was nearly the injury risk when we signed him that Magglio is, but Palmer also wasn't nearly as good a player as Magglio, and that's pretty important to remember.

Palmer was injured two years (1994 and 1995) before the Tigers obtained him in 1999. '99 and 2000 were injury free for the Tigers. After that, he never came back to full strenth. He stayed with the Tigs 2001, 2002, and 2003 - with injuries.

The Tigers certainly paid a fortune for two years of service. Let's hope the same thing doesn't happen with Magglio. Pay for 5 years but only receive 2 years of service.

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Originally posted by qsilvr2531

Baseball is a gamble, but I'd rather see the Tigers spend their time at the poker table as opposed to the craps table.

I agree. Everybody is rationalizing the deal now because he's a Tiger but if he signed with any other team, people would be ridiculing that team.

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Originally posted by eastside billee

Palmer was injured two years (1994 and 1995) before the Tigers obtained him in 1999. '99 and 2000 were injury free for the Tigers. After that, he never came back to full strenth.

@ least, NOT YET !! :cheeky:

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