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After Day 1 I am more than happy I think we FINALLY have the franchise quarter back we have not had since Bobby Layne. The defensive end we needed to hepl rush the quarterbacks. I think we should have snatched up Derek Ross in the 3rd round but Kinda glad they did not with him being a Buckeye I hate having to cheer for Ohio State players.

Now in Day 2 What are we still looking at? RB? Linebacker? maybe another DB? WR?

I think 4th round might be a little high for Chester Taylor from Toledo BUT I don't think 4th round would be to high for Luke Staley out of BYU. or Keyuo Craver out of nebraska But I believe the Texans will snag him up with the first pick in the 4th round.

5th round I actually would really like to see them maybe add Larry Foote from Michigan,but that may be a reach. As for recievers I think there are still a few out there worth getting. Freddie Millons,AL Kahil Hill, Iowa, and Brian Poli-Dixon from UCLA. Another running back out there is Jonathon Wells but he is a Buckeye, So I say take Staley or keep Stewart.

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They drafted a cornerback in the 3rd round(I forgot his name). I see the Lions going for linebacker and tight end next to add some depth. If someone like Luke Staley is still there when the lions select, they might go for him.

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I'm still crossing my fingers, hoping for the hometown favorite, Taylor. Fourth round is probably a stretch, but I think he could be a very solid player for the Lions and I hope they nab him sometime during Day Two.

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Sorry, I don't see the Lions being interested in Chester Taylor right now. I do think that Luke Staley (RIP Layne) is definitely someone who'll interest the Lions if he's available. Terry Jones Jr of Alabama and Darnell Sanders of Ohio State are the two best remaining TE's, and if the Lions can draft either, then those two can start; making their 3d round pick of Andre Goodman look even better. The question about Goodman is his health; or he could've been a potential 1st rounder. He's one of the faster corners that have been drafted.

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So far I'm happy with the draft. The impact won't be felt this year but watch out next year. The Lions are setting up a foundation IMO.

I'm not a huge State fan but Chris Baker would be a good pick in the 5th.

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I was just taking an overview of the draft for the first time from the first pick to where they are right now. I see Denver forfeited its third pick. I imagine they just couldn't make a decision on time while they were on the clock.

What was said during coverage about this fiasco? I heard the Cowboys almost blew it in the first or second round too. If this ever happened to the Lions I would blow a gasket.

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The story I heard about the Denver forfeit of their pick was due to the John Elway scandal. When Elway retired. He forfeited his bonus money because the owner Bowen had a side deal with Elway to go in halves on a Arena Football team.

All of this was brought up by Al Davis.

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I don't know when the league made the official decision, but by doing it on draft day with all the other things going on. This was a good way for Denver not to get a ton of bad press because people right now are more concern with the draftees then the scandal. If that is the case then the NFL and the Broncos did some good PR work IMO to avoid the negative press.

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4th Round Selection - John Taylor

John Taylor

SELECTED BY DETROIT , ROUND 4, PICK 36, OVERALL PICK 134

DT | (6-3, 236) | MONTANA STATE

By Pro Football Weekly

ANALYSIS

Positives: Has a rangy, athletic build with long arms and legs … Shows fluid lateral agility and the quickness to make plays wide … Has a sharp closing burst on the play side … Breaks down properly in the open when runners change direction and has the quickness to catch the backs from behind … Goes low in his stance, extending his arms to wrap, secure and drive the opponent back on his heels … Has good field awareness dropping back in the zone … His pass-drop skills and fluid backpedal could see him shift to strong-side outside linebacker at the pro level.

Negatives: Gets suckered out of position at times, having problems with misdirection … Will finesse rather than try to maul blockers, which results in him getting tied up by some blocks when trying to shed … Better flowing to the play side than from behind … Does not have natural hands for the interception.

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5th Round Selection - John Owens

John Owens

SELECTED BY DETROIT , ROUND 5, PICK 3, OVERALL PICK 138

TE | (6-3, 266, 4.8) | NOTRE DAME

By Pro Football Weekly

Notes: Reserve tight end who played in every game except Michigan in 1998. Was in nine games in '99, when he missed three games with a calf injury, but he did not catch a pass. Spent most of 2000 as a backup defensive end and had nine tackles, two for loss and one sack. Played some tight end in the Fiesta Bowl. Started at tight end in '01 but had only six catches for 79 yards and one touchdown.

Positives: Good size. Well-built. Above-average athlete. Adequate speed. As a blocker, shows good foot quickness and gets into his blocks quickly. Shows some power and that he can bend his knees and get his pads down. Seems to have adequate hands when they throw to him.

Negatives: Has very little experience in the passing game. Is just learning how to run routes. Has so few passes thrown to him that it is hard to evaluate his hands.

Summary: A lot will depend upon how well he works out and catches the ball, but he looks like an interesting developmental-type player.

* Player biographies are provided by Pro Football Weekly

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6th Round Selection - CB Chris Cash

Chris Cash

SELECTED BY DETROIT , ROUND 6, PICK 3, OVERALL PICK 175

CB | (5-10, 177, 4.55) | USC

By Pro Football Weekly

Notes: Palomar Junior College transfer. After learning the defense in 2000, wound up the year starting six games, including the last five, and had 39 stops, seven passes broken up and two interceptions. Started the first nine games in '01 before fracturing his right kneecap on Nov. 10, '01. Had 47 stops, one pass broken up, two interceptions and a blocked kick before he was hurt. Won second-team All-Pacific-10 honors.

Positives: Very good athlete. Has a nice, relaxed backpedal. Quick-footed and smooth turning. Can play man-on-man coverage. Has some ball skills and awareness. Will hit and try to tackle. Showed good improvement in '01 after Pete Carroll, who was a former DB coach before becoming a coordinator and head coach, took over as USC's head man.

Negatives: Coming off a leg injury. Lacks size, body bulk and strength. Can be muscled and overpowered at times and is not going to be much of a factor in run support. May not have top long and catch-up speed. Inconsistent ball skills and will mistime some of his jumps. Loses too many jump balls or balls thrown up for grabs.

Summary: Has a chance as a cover corner if his knee is sound and he continues to improve.

* Player biographies are provided by Pro Football Weekly.

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whats the deal with the lions drafting all these project guys? alot of these guys have had knee or leg injures.

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I think they are banking on the ability of modern science to heal their pain. The projects are just that - you can't expect to get a polished product in the 4th round, so you go after size and athletisism, and hope you can develop that player into something. The "injured" players are a gamble no doubt, but you are getting 1st, 2nd or 3rd round talent in the later rounds because many teams are scared off with the past injury history. Millen and Mornhinweg caught lightning in the bottle last season when they drafted Shaun Rogers so I don't blame them for going to the well again. I do think that they are taking too many injured players, but in the later rounds its always a gamble anyways.

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Enjolras the Mich Live site has Taylor listed as a LB instead of a DT.Do you know for sure which is right?His size would seem to indicate a LB.Thanks in advance and thanks for posting all the info on the new guys!

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Looks like we got Staley which will make Cruzer happy.Good call Cruzer!

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We just picked him in the 7th round.

Originally posted by Jonesy

BUT I don't think 4th round would be to high for Luke Staley out of BYU

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7th Round Selection - Luke Staley

Luke Staley

SELECTED BY DETROIT , ROUND 7, PICK 3, OVERALL PICK 214

RB | (6-1, 227, 4.55) | BRIGHAM YOUNG | COLLEGE STATS

By Pro Football Weekly

Notes: Junior who opted to enter the NFL draft, although he is coming off an injury. Gatorade High School Player of the Year in Oregon. Made a huge impact as a freshman, winning Mountain West Conference Freshman of the Year honors while rushing 92 times for 432 yards and 10 touchdowns and catching 26 passes for 339 yards and three touchdowns. Had knee and shoulder surgery after the year. Started 10 times in 2000 and missed two other games after having his knee scoped. Was rarely 100 percent and finished the year rushing 130-479-7 and catching 28-327-0. Had an All-American junior year before he fractured his left fibula and damaged ankle ligaments at the end of the Mississippi State game on Dec. 1, 2001 in BYU's 12th game of a 14-game season. Carried 196-1,582-24, averaging 8.1 yards per carry and caught 32-334-4. Led the nation in touchdowns, was second in rushing yardage per game, first in average per carry over 100 carries and won the Doak Walker award as the top running back in the country. He was also named to many All-American teams.

Positives: Very, very productive runner and receiver who excels inside the red zone and is an effective short-yardage runner. Has excellent balance and vision, quick feet and a burst to and through the hole. Runs tough and hard and finishes his runs. Catches the ball like another wide receiver and has a real feel for the passing game.

Negatives: System, which spreads out the defense, enhances his stats by giving him more running room. Lacks great speed and elusiveness. Is not going to dazzle with his moves or breakaway speed. Has not been that durable, and medical history is a major, major concern. Has already had at least six knee-ankle and two shoulder surgeries and a concussion. Had screw removed from his broken ankle on Jan. 24, but was recovered to dance at his wedding on Jan 30.

Summary: A very good runner and receiver who would be a very nice fit for a team running the spread or West Coast offense, provided he can stay healthy. In some ways, he will remind one of former pros Craig James, Tom Matte and Ed Podolak, but his injury history is a huge concern.

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Looks like another injury prnoe player with a possibly very big upside. In the 7th round you can go wrong with a pick of Staley, whose talent is much too great to pass up.

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ESPN had John Taylor listed as a DT, however the NFL.com site has him listed as a OLB - which is probably more accurate. I think he played DT in college, but is projected as an OLB for the pro game.

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The Lions are taking some medical risks here. These are some players with much more value (Goodman, Cash, and Staley) if they were healthy. The thing I like about Staley is that his major injury last year was a broken tibula, and in football, broken bones are better than ligament damage. He's also had some problems with his shoulder, and that could be a problem with his upright running style. Cash has to get stronger, he's a developmental guy. Look for the Lions to draft a linebacker (Josh Thornhill of MSU is a possibility), and an offensive lineman with their last two picks.

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They do seem to have been emboldened by last years success of Rogers who many let slip by them for health reasons.Don't know if they should base half their draft on players like this though,but have to assume the players were checked out to a certain extent by team doctors.Maybe our MVP next season will be the trainer if most of these guys end up being productive.

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Millen, Mornhinweg and the Lions Brain Trust were seduced by the success of Shaun Rogers last season, but I believe they are going to the well too often as basically all their picks after second rounder Kalimba Edwards have past histories of injuries of varying degrees. But if 3 of the last 7 picks can stay healthy and become contributors their risky drafting strategy will be deemed a success.

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I think they were good risks. If they had risked 1st rounders and 2d rounders, then that would've been questionable. Goodman can really play, he showed that last year, and he's 2+ years removed from his injuries, plus he played all 11 games last year. This isn't a draft for the 2002 Lions either. This is a building-block type draft. If a player like Staley isn't medically ready to play, then just put him on IR, and he'll be in the system for at least four years, which is about the amount of time the M&M will need to build this team, which was completely decimated by Bobby Ross.

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Good thoughts Cruzer,most of the guys we picked showed good stuff when they were healthy and several were said to be higher picks if they had no health problems.Staley appears the most likely at this point to be reinjured with all the ankle problems playing on art.turf,even the new stuff at Ford field,could be tough to hold up over a long season.But he is said to be ideal for West Coast.He will probably be the third down back to start with,so his exposure the first year will be lighter and give him extra time to heal a bit.

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