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Publix Field @ Joker Marchant Stadium

Casey Mize  vs Cody Reed

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The batboys slept in the manager's office at Joker Marchant stadium in Lakeland during Spring Training in 1985. A portrait of Ty Cobb hangs on the wall.

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Staying with the 1985 theme, I have a question for any of you local legends of Motown, or elsewhere, that have good memories. In 1984 the Tiger’s hitting coach was Gates Brown. I was listening to an old interview last night with Gates that was recorded years after he retired. He commented that he wanted to come back as the Tiger’s hitting coach in 1985 but that he and the organization couldn’t agree on a contract.

Does anyone here recall any details on this situation? The team had come off an incredible year and I have to wonder how you can’t come to terms with the hitting coach. Was Gates asking for crazy numbers? I would like to know more about this seemingly irrelevant matter many years later if anyone has any knowledge on this matter. Brown was a part of the last two WS Championships. Hard to believe he wasn’t there after 1984.

Roger Craig left after 1984 for San Francisco. Losing a hitting coach and pitching coach after a year like 1984 had to have some impact.

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Remember that Jim Campbell came on board with the Tigers under the Briggs regime, one of the most tisghtfisted (and racist!) organizations in baseball. That was an ownership for whom keeping all the help "on the plantation" was a bigger matter of principle than winning ever was -  witness the way they lost Bunning and then later Parrish and Morris. They only ever loved guys like Kaline who refused raises. Even though his bosses had changed by then, Campbell was still the same guy he always was in the FO. Wanting to get paid was always your fastest ticket off the Tigers under Campbell.

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I knew Campbell was very tight with money, always. Any reading of biographies or autobiographies of Tiger players in that era will always include a story regarding Jim Campbell’s virtues of frugalness, to put it lightly. I just wondered how far apart they were. I guess that information is lost with time. 

When asked who his favorite manager was that he ever played for I was a tad surprised. His pick was Billy Martin. I can’t help but wonder how Martin would have handled McLain’s antics during the 1968 season.

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16 minutes ago, 1776 said:

I knew Campbell was very tight with money, always. Any reading of biographies or autobiographies of Tiger players in that ere will always include a story regarding Jim Campbell’s virtues of frugalness, to put it lightly. I just wondered how far apart they were. I guess that information is lost with time. 

When asked who his favorite manager was that he ever played for I was a tad surprised. His pick was Billy Martin. I can’t help but wonder how Martin would have handled McLain’s antics during the 1968 season.

It's true, Billy would have been in a unique position to able to keep a very close eye on Denny as Billy would have been hitting the bars and bookies with him.

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56 minutes ago, 1776 said:

Roger Craig left after 1984 for San Francisco.

The collapse in player development was the long term killer for the org, but short term losing Craig was devastating. Sparky was the most overrated manager in history when it came to managing a BP. He'd sit a guy for a week then use him for 3 IP - he never gave his his guys reasonable workload consistency. I always felt he floundered with his pitchers without Craig. But then again, with Sparky everything was always provisional. That was part of his strength with other things, but not with pitchers.

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29 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

It's true, Billy would have been in a unique position to able to keep a very close eye on Denny as Billy would have been hitting the bars and bookies with him.

I would tend to believe those two egos would never find a common ground, much like Reggie and Billy. Gates said that the thing he liked most about Martin was that he treated all of his players the same. He used Jackson in NY as an example. It was Brown’s contention that the reason Martin and Jackson had issues was that Jackson saw himself as being above the same accountability standards as the other players and that was a recurring problem between manager and player. I know Martin contributed to the fifth as well but I think Brown makes a good point. In my opinion, they both had outsized egos.

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1 hour ago, 1776 said:

 

When asked who his favorite manager was that he ever played for I was a tad surprised. His pick was Billy Martin. I can’t help but wonder how Martin would have handled McLain’s antics during the 1968 season.

They won the World Series in 68, so Martin would not have cared at all about any antics.  He might have pitched 400 innings under Martin though.  

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59 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

They won the World Series in 68, so Martin would not have cared at all about any antics.  He might have pitched 400 innings under Martin though.  

Yes they won the series in 1968. However, at the outset of that season that was an unknown. Were Martin to have been managing the Tigers at the beginning of 1968 with the expectations coming out of 1967, I believe he would have had issues with McLain’s maverick behavior. Especially if it was Martin’s first season in Detroit. McLain didn’t have a 31 game season to talk about in spring of ‘68 and the expectations to win were very high. 

Agree on the possible 400 innings. 

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36 minutes ago, kdog said:

 

 

I think Greene will be out of AA in about 30 days, but it won't hurt him. I would guess it's as much because they are going to have too many OF in AAA and would as soon get some of them sorted out (as in out of the org) before adding Greene. (Stewart, Hill, Cameron, Robson, Woodrow at least )

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Mize K’s two in the first in a 13 pitch inning.

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1 hour ago, 1776 said:

Yes they won the series in 1968. However, at the outset of that season that was an unknown. Were Martin to have been managing the Tigers at the beginning of 1968 with the expectations coming out of 1967, I believe he would have had issues with McLain’s maverick behavior. Especially if it was Martin’s first season in Detroit. McLain didn’t have a 31 game season to talk about in spring of ‘68 and the expectations to win were very high. 

Agree on the possible 400 innings. 

I don't remember if Martin was a disciplinarian about off field stuff.  He was a pretty crazy guy himself and got himself in trouble with drinking and temper tantrums.  He needed to the absolute boss on the field, but I don't remember if he cared about off field stuff.  McLain was reportedly very focused once the games began.     

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so Mize opens the 5th giving up a double and a single (the bunt), then gets a K and GO  that holds the runner at third to get to 2 on with 2 out. Hinch takes him out (58 pitches). Fulmer comes in and gives up another double-single combo to net 3 runs for the Rays,  and eventually a K to end the inning. On the bright side Fulmer showing a 97 mph fastball. That did not seem very likely a month ago.

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Manning in to start the 6th.

....walks the 1st two hitters he faces

uninspiring outing for Manning. FB at 93/4 and behind the hitters.

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1 minute ago, kdog said:

 

Tork has to pull the trigger a couple of milliseconds sooner. He's wasted a couple well hit shots into dead center this week.

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