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3 hours ago, NYLion said:

I'm not the only one, including scouts who watch these players for a living, to make the Bosh comparison so....

It's not a perfect comparison but I see similar elements in their offensive game and their build. Mobley is a hybrid so it's really difficult to make a perfect comparison, he has an assortment of skills and is sort of unique.

My worry with him is that he's  pretty soft and tends to differ to others a lot but that could change as he gains more experience and realizes that he can be the best player on the floor if he really wants to. He's still in that "timid" stage of his development which shows how good he can be if he figures it all out because he's pretty good already as is.

Would love for ya to post some links with those comps.  I really want to read why they feel that way.

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1 hour ago, Deleterious said:

Would love for ya to post some links with those comps.  I really want to read why they feel that way.

espn:

Physical Comps

PLAYER HEIGHT WEIGHT WINGSPAN
Evan Mobley 7-0 215 7-4
Chris Bosh 6-11½ 225 7-3½
Anthony Davis 6-10½ 222 7-5½
Christian Wood 6-10½ 216 6-11¼

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28 minutes ago, Buddha said:

espn:

Physical Comps

PLAYER HEIGHT WEIGHT WINGSPAN
Evan Mobley 7-0 215 7-4
Chris Bosh 6-11½ 225 7-3½
Anthony Davis 6-10½ 222 7-5½
Christian Wood 6-10½ 216 6-11¼

So tall black guy.  I covered that already.  We are talking game play.

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10 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

So tall black guy.  I covered that already.  We are talking game play.

you could click on the link and read the article yourself instead of just being a sarcastic ***.

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4 minutes ago, Buddha said:

you could click on the link and read the article yourself instead of just being a sarcastic ***.

The article doesn't mention Bosh at all other than the height/weight comparison.  

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56 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

The article doesn't mention Bosh at all other than the height/weight comparison.  

ok.  does it say anything else you might find interesting, or is this just yet another exercise with del telling other posters how stupid their takes are?

i have never seen mobley play so i dont know.  i googled mobley comps and thats the first thing that came up.

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33 minutes ago, Buddha said:

ok.  does it say anything else you might find interesting, or is this just yet another exercise with del telling other posters how stupid their takes are?

i have never seen mobley play so i dont know.  i googled mobley comps and thats the first thing that came up.

It mostly reads like what I said above.  Givony is the best in the business IMO so I put a lot of faith in his opinion.  

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2 hours ago, Buddha said:

ok.  does it say anything else you might find interesting, or is this just yet another exercise with del telling other posters how stupid their takes are?

i have never seen mobley play so i dont know.  i googled mobley comps and thats the first thing that came up.

I thought the part about comparing Mobley to Delladova was weird, but, hey, what do I know.

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19 hours ago, Deleterious said:

Would love for ya to post some links with those comps.  I really want to read why they feel that way.

In addition to the one Buddha posted, there's this one...

https://nbadraftroom.com/p/evan-mobley/

And this one...

https://projectspurs.com/2021/01/05/san-antonio-spurs-prospect-watch-evan-mobley/

This one, although it was more of a physical comp which is partially why I made the comp... (Edit: Sorry, this was the one that Buddha posted)

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30495016/scouting-2021-nba-draft-lottery-prospects-strengths-comps-intel

I've seen a few others as well that made the Bosh comparison because of the offensive skillset and physical makeup. You were mocking me as if it's such a crazy comparison. Others see it as well. Again, not a perfect comparison but there are similarities especially offensively.

 

 

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I conceded they are both tall and skinny so the physical comps don't mean much to me.  I care about a guys game and what he does on the court.  The only link you posted that even comes close to addressing that is the first one.

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Built like a taller Chris Bosh – long and skinny – and has some of the same skills but is more of rim protector at this stage.

He doesn't tell us why.  You don't tell us why.  I gave like 5 reasons why the Bosh comp is bad.  Why can't anyone give reasons why it is good?

And BTW, your pro scouts.  NBA Draft Room?  He also comps Mobley to LMA, which makes me shake my head more than the Bosh comp.  

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If people are having trouble finding a comp for such a unique player like Mobley, god help us next year when Chet Holmgren hits the scene.  
 

We literally have never seen anything even close to this guy. 
 

 

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Watched him play against Bates earlier this year.  I was pretty impressed.  But he needs to put on 50 pounds just to be considered skinny.

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15 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

Watched him play against Bates earlier this year.  I was pretty impressed.  But he needs to put on 50 pounds just to be considered skinny.

No doubt.  Just like Mobley, he’e got an outrageous skillset already but is still so raw.    The ceiling is ridiculously high.  He’s not going to be ready to dominate until he’s a few seasons in the NBA.  Wouldn’t surprise for both guys to hit the league and underwhelm only to become All-NBA by their 25th birthdays. 

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1 hour ago, Deleterious said:

Watched him play against Bates earlier this year.  I was pretty impressed.  But he needs to put on 50 pounds just to be considered skinny.

Can't wait for you to call him the next Dirk Nowitzki or a taller Larry Bird...

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15 hours ago, Deleterious said:

I conceded they are both tall and skinny so the physical comps don't mean much to me.  I care about a guys game and what he does on the court.  The only link you posted that even comes close to addressing that is the first one.

He doesn't tell us why.  You don't tell us why.  I gave like 5 reasons why the Bosh comp is bad.  Why can't anyone give reasons why it is good?

And BTW, your pro scouts.  NBA Draft Room?  He also comps Mobley to LMA, which makes me shake my head more than the Bosh comp.  

The way he glides offensively, smooth stroke. I see some similarities in how they play at the offensive end. Mobley is far more versatile defensively than Bosh was and handles the ball more.

Again, and I said it multiple times, Bosh isn't a perfect comparables but I do see SOME similarities in their game. It's hard to find a comparable for Mobley because he's unique. Different type of player but kind of like Chet Holmgren who also does things that a player his size shouldn't be able to do.

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33 minutes ago, NYLion said:

The way he glides offensively, smooth stroke. I see some similarities in how they play at the offensive end. Mobley is far more versatile defensively than Bosh was and handles the ball more.

Again, and I said it multiple times, Bosh isn't a perfect comparables but I do see SOME similarities in their game. It's hard to find a comparable for Mobley because he's unique. Different type of player but kind of like Chet Holmgren who also does things that a player his size shouldn't be able to do.

Curiously enough, I just read an NYT story about the use of "Thinking Fast and Slow" (Daniel Kahneman) by MLB managements. The book itself is not about baseball, but baseball execs who are fans of the general analytical approach it describes  argue that to much 'comping' is something scouts should simply avoid. 

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No area of baseball is more susceptible to bias than scouting, in which organizations aggregate information from disparate sources: statistical models, subjective evaluations, characterizations of mental makeup and more. Kahneman emphasized the importance of maintaining independence of judgments to decorrelate errors — that is, to separate inputs so that one doesn’t influence another.

“The independent opinion aspect is critical to avoid the groupthink and be aware of momentum,” said Josh Byrnes, a senior vice president for the Dodgers. “There’s some purity for how the information is collected and then, ultimately, how it’s weighed.”

Matt Blood, the director of player development for the Orioles, first read “Thinking, Fast and Slow” as a Cardinals area scout nine years ago and said that he still consults it regularly. He collaborated with a Cardinals analyst to develop his own scouting algorithm as a tripwire to mitigate bias. He also urges caution on the common practice of issuing “comps” — scouting lingo for comparisons — of a young player to an established pro.

“We have this tendency to comp a player to what we’ve seen in the past, or to a player that’s in the major leagues, and then all of a sudden, everything about that amateur player starts to look and feel like that major league player,” Blood said. “And that’s dangerous.”

-https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/24/sports/baseball/thinking-fast-and-slow-book.html

 

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After watching Jalen Green for a 2nd time I really think he would be my first choice.   I think he not only has star potential but I could easily see him at one point being the best player in the NBA.     Of course I'd be thrilled with any of the top 5 so as long as we stay where we're at now we should be getting a potential star in this draft.  

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Was just on Tankathon keeping tabs on the standings and a couplet things caught my eye.  First is that I knew that they changed the lottery rules a couple years ago but I didn't realize how dramatic they were, like I knew that the top 3 had the same odds at number 1 but I didn't realize how easy you could drop.  The Top 3 only have a 52% chance of getting a top 4 pick, so almost a coin flip.  That sucks!   With the consensus being a bit of a drop off after the top 5 guys I would really like to secure the bottom spot so we know that worst case scenario is the 5th pick.  With the way Detroit sports luck has been in the lottery I almost expect worse case scenario so I rather not risk ending up with the 6th or the 7th pick.

The other thing I noticed was that Minnesota's pick is only top 3 protected,  so even if they finish last overall there is a chance that Golden State could end up with the 4th or 5th pick in this draft with 5 potential superstars.  

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14 hours ago, Buddha said:

he looks like a softer chris bosh.

Yep, but that Bosh comparison is sure to gain you the wrath of Del.

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2 minutes ago, NYLion said:

Yep, but that Bosh comparison is sure to gain you the wrath of Del.

i face the wrath of del regularly.  im used to it.

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otoh, you can see how mobley could eventually become something like anthony davis.

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