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26 minutes ago, chasfh said:

The Electoral College, gerrymandering, and the proliferation of PACs all actively work against the viability of a third party.

You don't need an actual third party. You need a third party that takes over one of the established parties much the same way the Tea Party/Qanon took over the Republican party. 

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3 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Certain types of people have a history of expecting to control the lives of those they deem to be beneath them. They see it as their right.

yup.

And closely related to that are the people that will use any easily identified minority of people as social 'scapegoats for their diagnosis for what is wrong with society that *they* need to be exclusively empowered to fix. You see this in 'fundamentalist' religious revival movements whether Muslim, Christian or Jewish, where the argument runs that society is failing because of God's retribution for a lack of piety, with those purveying that view putting themselves forward as the only proper judges what is pious and thus consolidating their own power. And this drive to power is even more generalizable than to religion. Hitler's 'scapegoating of Jews was more secular and cultural than religious but the paradigm was the same as was Trump's 'scapegoating of brownish immigrants.  In the US is it never more than a matter of looking back to the last natural disaster to find some religious leader blaming it on US deviance in sexual, racial or genetic purity matters from the version of social organization pitched by their sect.

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34 minutes ago, chasfh said:

It’s not just metaphorical that McCarthy and Cheney walked off the stage in opposite directions.

 

So did Liz walk to the left?

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5 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

So did Liz walk to the left?

viewer's left, her right.

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25 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Certain types of people have a history of expecting to control the lives of those they deem to be beneath them. They see it as their right.

Also, these people feel very insecure about themselves and harassing somebody who they feel is vulnerable makes them feel good.  It's how all bullies work.   

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43 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

We had some interactive training where they showed pictures of people and you had to pick their position. They would show a collage of like four people and ask you to pick who the executive is, wanting you to pick the white male to show you how terrible you are. Then they have a collage for janitor wanting you to pick the Hispanic. 

I guess I had a different training.  I didn't interpret mine as trying to shame me for my physical characteristics.

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1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said:

We had some interactive training where they showed pictures of people and you had to pick their position. They would show a collage of like four people and ask you to pick who the executive is, wanting you to pick the white male to show you how terrible you are. Then they have a collage for janitor wanting you to pick the Hispanic. 

 

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1 hour ago, tiger337 said:

Also, these people feel very insecure about themselves and harassing somebody who they feel is vulnerable makes them feel good.  It's how all bullies work.   

White domination of black lives for the first nearly 400 years of America is bullying to the extreme. There is a parallel here.

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1 hour ago, chasfh said:

The Electoral College, gerrymandering, and the proliferation of PACs all actively work against the viability of a third party.

Outside of the roadblocks to a 3rd party...

In a civil war between two factions of a party, such as it looks like what we are seeing with the Republicans...

A 3rd party may arise simply as a function of that civil war; to try to take control over the policies/ direction of the party. 

In fact, I am suggesting a 3rd party specifically based upon the above sentence. To separate Republicans from Trumpublicans/ to wrest control of conservatism from the Trumpists/ fascists. Viability/ future of the 3rd party is not a consideration at all...

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I'm not yet sold on the civil war of the GOP meaning much... sure they will fight but if the crazies win 50% +1 then most of the 50% -1 will still vote for the crazy.... plus the restrictions on voting rights and gerrymandering will enable them to continue to be competitive and hold positions of power.

If Liz Cheney loses her primary will she vote for the Democrat?  A non vote is meaningless.

 

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7 minutes ago, Oblong said:

I'm not yet sold on the civil war of the GOP meaning much... sure they will fight but if the crazies win 50% +1 then most of the 50% -1 will still vote for the crazy.... plus the restrictions on voting rights and gerrymandering will enable them to continue to be competitive and hold positions of power.

If Liz Cheney loses her primary will she vote for the Democrat?  A non vote is meaningless.

If you have three parties running in every single election (state, fed, senate, congressman, governor, etc...) including a Democrat, a Trumpublican, and a True Republican 3rd Party, who wins most of the elections? There will still be non-Dems elected based on the state/ district...

But there will also be an intense erosion of Republican power/ officials nationwide.

At this point, and at this point only, is when Trumpism will be defeated and the true conservatives of the nation can retake control of the Republican (or whatever) party in its future form.

Just my opinion.

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1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said:

We had some interactive training where they showed pictures of people and you had to pick their position. They would show a collage of like four people and ask you to pick who the executive is, wanting you to pick the white male to show you how terrible you are. Then they have a collage for janitor wanting you to pick the Hispanic. 

We had the same training, but I took it differently, even though in the back of my mind I thought the same as you.  None of them looked like CEO's to me, none were old enough.  The tall white guy had too flashy of a tie.  The white women was obviously an airline attendant based on what she was wearing, so I was left with the black women or the shorter white guy and obviously, because I'm so woke, I picked the black women.  The whole point of it wasn't who you picked though, it was that if you instinctively picked someone, than it was likely some sort of bias that did that for you.

One part I did LOL at was that it reviewed some studies that mentioned how bias can happen on names alone and pointed to a study that found companies that were recruiting with the intention of adding diversity often still excluded less common names.  Another words, John Franklin was more likely to get a callback than DeMarius Ware, where the only difference in the resume was the name of the person.  Then they have you review emails and ask you to determine if they are OK emails or not.  

The scenario was that this company had recently instituted a racial minority mentoring program and this HR person emails the person running the program.

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Hi Bob,  While reviewing the minority mentoring program for candidates I came across the name of Shequandra Jackson in marketing.  In a follow up with her team, sounds like she's and up and comer and might be a perfect fit for this program

 I said the email was OK and I was wrong.  They said I was wrong as the name alone doesn't mean she's a racial minority, plus 'up and comer' didn't detail the reasons why they should be selected, I feel I was wrong for actually thinking someone from HR would have checked that first.  Either way, Bob responded like this.

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Hello,  Shequandra, as a white female, does not fit the scope of this program.  Now, Patty O'Toole, since she has been involved in project x, we've seen a 15% increase in productivity and a 5% reduction in costs.  As an Asian American she does fit the scope. I think she would be a perfect fit.

So, trigger alert, my biases are about to show.  But if names alone can hold you back, Shequandra might need this more than Patty O'Toole who either has a white dad or was adopted by a white family and thus raised with white privilege just like Shequandra.  Plus she's asian so she's already better at math than most of us so of course the numbers would look good when she gets involved.

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7 minutes ago, 84 Lives!!! said:

If you have three parties running in every single election (state, fed, senate, congressman, governor, etc...) including a Democrat, a Trumpublican, and a True Republican 3rd Party, who wins most of the elections? There will still be non-Dems elected based on the state/ district...

But there will also be an intense erosion of Republican power/ officials nationwide.

At this point, and at this point only, is when Trumpism will be defeated and the true conservatives of the nation can retake control of the Republican (or whatever) party in its future form.

Just my opinion.

I dont think we'll see any third parties.... too hard to start up.  

I would love to be wrong.

 

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7 minutes ago, Oblong said:

I dont think we'll see any third parties.... too hard to start up.  

I would love to be wrong.

Agree on all counts.

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I think the organizations that actually control the parties like the division between the parties.  It makes it easier for them to divide and conquer us while they go about their corruption.  They are not interested in a third party which might mitigate the division.

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1 hour ago, CMRivdog said:

Fun and games at TPAC
 

What time does Herman Cain speak?

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4 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

Well, again, there's not much Cruz can do about it.🙄

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2 minutes ago, Casimir said:

Well, again, there's not much Cruz can do about it.🙄

Especially when his dom wants him in Florida. 

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