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The Knicks are a joke.  Last night they had two guys wearing the same number on the court at the same time.  

Robinson is #23 so he is fine.  Bullock is #25 and it was correct on the front of the  jersey.  But they screwed up and put #23 on the back.

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And for good measure.  Bullock with the #25 on the front from last night.

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Dallas had a 50 point halftime lead on LAC.  They stretched it out to 51 at the end of the game.  Dallas scored more points in the 1st half (77) than LAC did for the entire game (73).

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8 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

Dallas had a 50 point halftime lead on LAC.  They stretched it out to 51 at the end of the game.  Dallas scored more points in the 1st half (77) than LAC did for the entire game (73).

Toss any lettuce at it?

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4 minutes ago, Casimir said:

Toss any lettuce at it?

No.

I wonder what the line was with Leonard out.  Probably not DAL -50.5.

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7 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

No.

I wonder what the line was with Leonard out.  Probably not DAL -50.5.

COVID and related last second scratches are such a nice wrinkle to consider, because there aren't enough variables to deal with during normal times.  And that has to be for both sides of the ledger, I would think. 

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Blake is out so we can see a lot of Sek...****.  At least Grant can slide to the 4 which is his natural position IMO.

Rose being out should mean plenty of minutes for Hayes.

 

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3 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

Blake is out so we can see a lot of Sek...****.  At least Grant can slide to the 4 which is his natural position IMO.

Rose being out should mean plenty of minutes for Hayes.

 

that just means casey will play okafor, plumlee and grant for 40 minutes while stewart and bey sit and watch.

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I suppose I understand playing Rose to an extent, trying to move him for a piece.  At the same time, play him too much and run the risk of breaking him.

I don't think they can move Griffin without taking a similar garbage contract in return.  But if I'm the other team, why bother with Griffin?  I would think best case scenario for moving him in exchange of future(s) is going to involve a season after his expires.

So does Casey fill these spots tomorrow, or does he just go 4 on 5?

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5 hours ago, Casimir said:

I suppose I understand playing Rose to an extent, trying to move him for a piece.  At the same time, play him too much and run the risk of breaking him.

I don't think they can move Griffin without taking a similar garbage contract in return.  But if I'm the other team, why bother with Griffin?  I would think best case scenario for moving him in exchange of future(s) is going to involve a season after his expires.

So does Casey fill these spots tomorrow, or does he just go 4 on 5?

theyre playing rose and griffin because casey thinks they are the best players to help the team win games.  they arent doing it to showcase anyone.  the whole league knows what derrick rose is.

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26 minutes ago, Buddha said:

theyre playing rose and griffin because casey thinks they are the best players to help the team win games.  they arent doing it to showcase anyone.  the whole league knows what derrick rose is.

I suppose even if Casey has no sense of or isn't motivated by the psychological strategy around it, as a practical matter it still will not have been a bad thing for the vets to prove they can't win before you start doling out some of the their PT - assuming he eventually does.

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The Bulls are kind of bad.  I turned the game on for a few minutes and they were struggling to get the ball up court against a light pressure 2-1-2 3/4 court press.  That is some high school level stuff right there.  And of course they lost on a last second three.

 

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My favorite part from the article:

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Gores added that the negative attention initially hurt but he took it as an opportunity to learn. He shared that he spoke with Pistons general manager Troy Weaver and head coach Dwane Casey and learned more about their experiences.

Guys, I spoke with the only two black people I'm in regular contact with and had them tell me about their prison phone call experience.  

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7 hours ago, Buddha said:

theyre playing rose and griffin because casey thinks they are the best players to help the team win games.  they arent doing it to showcase anyone.  the whole league knows what derrick rose is.

Casey has this season and two more left on his deal.  Do we think he finishes the contract up?

Players aren't going to tank.  Coaches aren't going to tank.  That has to come form the front office.  And, if I remember correctly, Weaver mentioned "not tanking", which sounds all brave and and noble and stuff but this team needs to tank.

Who knows what the communication is between the front office and the coaching staff.  Some of the front office moves didn't really lend themselves to tanking.  Or maybe its just expensive tanking, I don't know.

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46 minutes ago, Casimir said:

Casey has this season and two more left on his deal.  Do we think he finishes the contract up?

Players aren't going to tank.  Coaches aren't going to tank.  That has to come form the front office.  And, if I remember correctly, Weaver mentioned "not tanking", which sounds all brave and and noble and stuff but this team needs to tank.

Who knows what the communication is between the front office and the coaching staff.  Some of the front office moves didn't really lend themselves to tanking.  Or maybe its just expensive tanking, I don't know.

the team is going to lose because it isnt any good.  it doesnt matter what the coaches or front office publicly say they want.

all that game did was reinforce that blake griffin cant play anymore and derrick rose is the same player he's always been except without the freakish, once in a lifetime athleticism he used to possess.  no amount of games will take these facts away. 

as to griffin, he cant finish anymore.  id almost be surprised to see him dunk this season.  he just cant jump so he shoots three pointers.  he cant move on defense to guard perimeter guys and he cant jump to block guys on the inside.  he's a liability on the defensive end and a decent shooter on offense.  he's entered his late stage barkley career arc.  for $39 million next year?  he's going nowhere.

rose still might have some value to a team that wants a guy who can come off the bench in the playoffs and score.  rose can still do that in spurts.  you might even be able to wriggle a late first round pick out of a team.

 

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I think a bit too much is being made about the rotation Casey is currently using. I don’t think it’s necessarily bad for development to bring the young players along slowly. I don’t think it necessarily means guys like griffin and rose are being used because it makes their chances of winning increase from 10% to 12% or whatever it might be. Casey knows what this team is what the goals of the org are. I think Weaver is also smart enough to monitor how certain players are being used and how they are performing. If playing time decisions are negatively affecting the development of the young players, conversations will be had. 
 

Ok, that’s enough Pistons/nba talk. I’ll log back in as Motown bombers and go back to defending everything the lions have ever done. 

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22 hours ago, Deleterious said:

 

I laughed at this part in the first paragraph "A young group learning how to close out games". I don't recall any young guys being in there to close out either game. More like "old has been vets who have never and still can't close out games".

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9 hours ago, Buddha said:

theyre playing rose and griffin because casey thinks they are the best players to help the team win games.  they arent doing it to showcase anyone.  the whole league knows what derrick rose is.

This is correct. There's no strategy involved with this, it's an old coach trying to win games with old veterans. Nothing more, nothing less.

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I don't have that big of a problem with Casey and his rotations.  Would have been nice to see Jackson in at the end for some minutes.  But Hayes and Bey haven't done anything to earn those minutes yet.  I can understand the argument to put Stewart in when Plumlee fouled out.  But sort of tough to give a kid his first NBA minutes at the end of a close game.

My big problem with Casey is his offensive philosophy at the end of the game.  For both OT's and the last 6 or 7 minutes of the 4th quarter, they had no game plan on offense.  It was come down, give it to Rose or Blake and let them shoot.  Almost no PnR, no off the ball movement, no off the ball screens.  Just stand around and watch Rose and/or Blake try to get the best shot off they can.  That is inexcusable.  

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Rough year to be a rookie trying to earn minutes.

Usually a rookie will earn his minutes during training camp and/or practice.  Training camp was shortened this year and teams will not be practicing much at all during the season with the compact schedule this year.  Even during a normal year NBA teams only practice a handful of times a month.  This year will be worse with more B2B games, more 3 in 4 nights, etc.

 

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3 hours ago, Deleterious said:

My big problem with Casey is his offensive philosophy at the end of the game.  For both OT's and the last 6 or 7 minutes of the 4th quarter, they had no game plan on offense.  It was come down, give it to Rose or Blake and let them shoot.  Almost no PnR, no off the ball movement, no off the ball screens.  Just stand around and watch Rose and/or Blake try to get the best shot off they can.  That is inexcusable.  

Agreed, but it's not just end of games.  It's the whole game and out of timeouts it's is even worse.

He hopes for defense to create offensive opportunities, but outside of that the offense itself is terrible and always has been.  When they aren't getting easy opportunities, it's all hero ball.  That worked great in the regular season for Toronto, but Detroit doesn't have any heroes.

Here's the play over and over:  PG brings up the ball, passes to the big who passes it right back, then one screen gets set while everyone stands around and watches.  That's it.  If that action didn't create any openings or mismatches (why would it?), then it's a 1 on 1 play to try to get a look or counting on the players own initiative to set a screen or cut.

Casey's not a good coach although he does seem to build loyalty and camaraderie in his players, which is fine for now.  If we manage to rebuild this thing, then it'll be time for Casey to go and get someone in here that can get more out of the talent.  But for now, we're in tank mode (sorry, I mean "competitive losing mode") anyway, so whatever. 

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I thought they looked much better as a team tonight without having to sit and watch Blake or Rose clog things up and go one on one all night long.  Stewart got a nice run and looked active on the boards.  Bey took his chances.  Killian almost had a double double.  Sekou only played 10 minutes but he was coming off an injury.  Jackson and Grant looked good too.

Look, this team is bad.  They aren't going to win a lot of games, but if the rookies continue to show their activity and hustle like they did tonight, I'll be fine with this year.

No need to have Blake, Okafor, and Rose sucking up 30 minutes a night instead of letting the young fellas run.

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