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chase daniel: money well spent. im going to take a picture of him standing next to jesse james and mail it to bob quinn.

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4 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Obviously by getting a worse QB.

Maybe Stafford will just magically get better with each passing year with the Lions.  Just give him more time and this thing can turn around with a few fixes here and there    

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2 minutes ago, Buddha said:

chase daniel: money well spent. im going to take a picture of him standing next to jesse james and mail it to bob quinn.

But with Daniel they can cut Stafford on June 1st and fix the defense. 

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christian jones.  another great bob quinn free agent pick up that he decided to double down on and sign to a contract extension.

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1 minute ago, Hongbit said:

Maybe Stafford will just magically get better which each passing year here with the Lions.  Just give him more time and this thing can turn around with a few fixes here and there    

We're already seeing the difference without Stafford. At least with Stafford the Lions were in the game through the 3rd quarter against Tennessee. Without him, they were out of it from the beginning. When a team gives up 46 and 47 points it's always obvious it's the QB that needs to be changed.

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13 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

We're already seeing the difference without Stafford. At least with Stafford the Lions were in the game through the 3rd quarter against Tennessee. Without him, they were out of it from the beginning. When a team gives up 46 and 47 points it's always obvious it's the QB that needs to be changed.

You keep harping on the same wrong thing.   Trading Stafford is not about whether it’s his fault or if he’s the cause of their problems.  He’s not.  What they have isn’t working at all and needs to be blown up.  He is one of the few tradable assets they have and they need to explore liquidating what they can before starting on another multi year rebuild. The cupboard is very empty here 

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The last 2 years in games that Staff starts and finishes they are 8-11-1 while being competitive in the vast majority, they are about to be 0-12 in games he doesn't.   This is probably a 2-14 team without Stafford.  There may only be a handful of QBs at most on Earth that could take a 2 win team to the playoffs which is what people expect Staff to do around here.  Good luck finding that guy.  

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2 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

The last 2 years in games that Staff starts and finishes they are 8-11-1 while being competitive in the vast majority, they are about to be 0-12 in games he doesn't.   This is probably a 2-14 team without Stafford.  There may only be a handful of QBs at most on Earth that could take a 2 win team to the playoffs which is what people expect Staff to do around here.  Good luck finding that guy.  

This team is years away from the playoffs.  

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Just now, Hongbit said:

This team is years away from the playoffs.  

I will never say that in the NFL particularly if you have a good QB. I definitely agree they are in the bottom 3 in talent but the NFL is just so volatile and there is so much parody that it doesn't take much to turn a bad team into a playoff team.  A little over a calendar year ago when the Dolphins traded away guys like Tunsil and Minkah and were getting blown out every game many people thought they were the worst team since the 08 Lions.  A year later and they are going to win 10+ games.

The 49ers won 3 games 2 years ago, went to the Super Bowl last year and are likely looking at 10+ losses this year.   Good coaching, QB play and turnover luck can make bad teams look good in the NFL. 

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Just now, Motown Bombers said:

Lets create a massive hole at the most important position on the field for one or two picks. 

Let’s keep doing the same thing that hasn’t worked for 12 years.   

We’ve been through this before, trading Stafford brings at least 4 new players and probably more when you combine draft picks acquired in trade and FA’s signed with cap savings.  

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5 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

I will never say that in the NFL particularly if you have a good QB. I definitely agree they are in the bottom 3 in talent but the NFL is just so volatile and there is so much parody that it doesn't take much to turn a bad team into a playoff team.  A little over a calendar year ago when the Dolphins traded away guys like Tunsil and Minkah and were getting blown out every game many people thought they were the worst team since the 08 Lions.  A year later and they are going to win 10+ games.

The 49ers won 3 games 2 years ago, went to the Super Bowl last year and are likely looking at 10+ losses this year.   Good coaching, QB play and turnover luck can make bad teams look good in the NFL. 

The Lions are not the rest of the NFL. Hope will always fail with this franchise.  

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2 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

I have alpine skiing on NBC. Might be because I have Hulu + Live TV (no cable).

Apparently it was on NBC only in Detroit.

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2 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

Let’s keep doing the same thing that hasn’t worked for 12 years.   

We’ve been through this before, trading Stafford brings at least 4 new players and probably more when you combine draft picks acquired in trade and FA’s signed with cap savings.  

No let's try building a good defense and run game around Stafford and see how that works.

Yes we have been through this. Trading Stafford frees up $20 million. Now you have to use a draft pick on QB. There goes $5 million. You want to sign more garbage players like the ones they have with that money. Basically we downgrade the QB and sign mediocre free agents and use one of the draft picks to draft a QB who will likely be worse but hey we made a change for the sake of change. 

 

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If we can truly get a haul for Stafford then I'd be fine trading him, I just don't know if we can.  I don't want to trade him just for a mid round pick or something.  

The Lions definitely lack talent big time but with Golloday and a healthy Stafford they are/were a different team.   I'd like to see Staff with hopefully a good coaching staff and with a healthy Kenny G, Swift and improved Hock.    

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51 minutes ago, Buddha said:

chase daniel: money well spent. im going to take a picture of him standing next to jesse james and mail it to bob quinn.

“If they woulda just given me one more year, I woulda showed em. And then I’d be soaking it all up, in a hot tub with my soul mate.”

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41 minutes ago, six-hopper said:

Apparently it was on NBC only in Detroit.

games on the nfl network are always shown on local tv - and only local tv - on a regular network so the home fans can watch.

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49 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

I will never say that in the NFL particularly if you have a good QB. I definitely agree they are in the bottom 3 in talent but the NFL is just so volatile and there is so much parody that it doesn't take much to turn a bad team into a playoff team.  A little over a calendar year ago when the Dolphins traded away guys like Tunsil and Minkah and were getting blown out every game many people thought they were the worst team since the 08 Lions.  A year later and they are going to win 10+ games.

The 49ers won 3 games 2 years ago, went to the Super Bowl last year and are likely looking at 10+ losses this year.   Good coaching, QB play and turnover luck can make bad teams look good in the NFL. 

exactly.  turnarounds happen fast in the nfl.  heck, even the lions went from 0-16 to 10-6 in 4 years.  

this team's offense has a lot more weapons than that 0-16 team had (although no calvin, of course).  heck, even the defense on this team is better.

i'm really ambivalent about trading stafford, although i lean toward not trading him because he is still a pretty good qb and you usually have to have one of those to win.  otoh, i would love to see him go somewhere else so he could actually win something.  but giving stafford away for an additional two picks in the draft isnt that huge of a difference maker, imo.  the only thing that matters is who is doing the picking.

let's see if they can get a quality gm in place who can draft the right players and a good coaching staff.  we havent had that combination in a long long time.

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55 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

The Lions definitely lack talent big time

this goes back to one of the reasons I have not been optimistic about SHF. I think her first move out the gate giving Quintricia the 'ultimatum' was the wrong move. A football team, any sports team really, has only one asset: it's roster. And management should only ever have one objective, that of building sustained value in the roster. I don't think you ever tell a GM you care more about his year than the future strength of your roster. We saw that with Mike Ilitch. It's never a guarantee that you win - given a pointed ball and injuries and insane officiating that will always be the proverbial 'crapshoot'; but it is almost certainly a guarantee that you are mortgaging your future. Over the long term the best team you can field consistently gives you the best chance of winning out eventually. Now whether in the end it affected personnel moves Quinn made for worse, who knows. We don't know what other options he had at each decision point. But we do know now that any move he did (or didn't) make thinking to create a short term improvement for this year has proven its futility, so all that is left is wishing he hadn't made any move that hurts the team next year or beyond.

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51 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

this goes back to one of the reasons I have not been optimistic about SHF. I think her first move out the gate giving Quintricia the 'ultimatum' was the wrong move. A football team, any sports team really, has only one asset: it's roster. And management should only ever have one objective, that of building sustained value in the roster. I don't think you ever tell a GM you care more about his year than the future strength of your roster. We saw that with Mike Ilitch. It's never a guarantee that you win - given a pointed ball and injuries and insane officiating that will always be the proverbial 'crapshoot'; but it is almost certainly a guarantee that you are mortgaging your future. Over the long term the best team you can field consistently gives you the best chance of winning out eventually. Now whether in the end it affected personnel moves Quinn made for worse, who knows. We don't know what other options he had at each decision point. But we do know now that any move he did (or didn't) make thinking to create a short term improvement for this year has proven its futility, so all that is left is wishing he hadn't made any move that hurts the team next year or beyond.

Martha was the one who owned the team and gave the ultimatum but carry on.

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This is exactly why they need to move on from Stafford. This team isn't even close to competing @Motown Bombers

I know that they are even further from competing without him but it's a waste to have him around surrounded by virtually no support, cut him loose for his sake. This thing needs to be torn down and built from the ground up AGAIN. 63 years of rebuilding and counting.

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