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12/26/2020 7:00 Cleveland Cavaliers @ Detroit Pistons

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now THAT was a good loss.

i am really looking forward to the pistons having the worst record in the league and ending up with the 5th pick in the draft.

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Until old man Casey is gone, we're going to continue to see a steady diet of garbage vets. Losing is cool, losing (or winning) this way blows.

This isn't a rebuild until these old fogies are gone. Look at the Cavs for contrast, rolling with enthusiastic and talented young players down the stretch. Sink or swim with the kids. The Pistons are playing junk ball with vets who are just collecting paychecks at this point. Oh and Drummond clowning them was the icing on the cake.

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let's talk about the real positive tonight, the bulls getting blown out at home again.  lol.

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4 minutes ago, Buddha said:

let's talk about the real positive tonight, the bulls getting blown out at home again.  lol.

The Pistons have some real strong tank competition with the Bulls and Knicks. The sad thing is that the Pistons are the only team of the three that are actually trying to win.

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2 minutes ago, NYLion said:

 

The Pistons have some real strong tank competition with the Bulls and Knicks. The sad thing is that the Pistons are the only team of the three that are actually trying to win.

the bulls hired billy donovan, they are not trying to lose.  they just suck because they have no talent and the talent they do have doesnt know how to play team basketball.

and they hired billy donovan as their head coach without sam presti feeding him talent.  good luck with that.

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You are getting talent at #5 this year.   You are probably fine anywhere inside the top 10 to be honest.

Sam Vecenie had some analyst on his podcast recently.  He said the next two drafts are loaded with wing talent.  Big guys who are athletic, can handle the ball, and have high basketball IQ.  

Being bad the next two years won't be the worst thing.  

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37 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

You are getting talent at #5 this year.   You are probably fine anywhere inside the top 10 to be honest.

Sam Vecenie had some analyst on his podcast recently.  He said the next two drafts are loaded with wing talent.  Big guys who are athletic, can handle the ball, and have high basketball IQ.  

Being bad the next two years won't be the worst thing.  

Weaver will draft another center.  

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Can we talk about how bad this game was and how it bodes ill for the rest of the season?

Griffin played 39 minutes.  Rose played 38.  And they lost with Rose being a huge reason why.  Are you trying to develop your young players or are you trying to ride old veterans to wins?  Make up your mind.

You draft Stewart yet refuse to play him.  Sekou was hurt and limping around but when Plumlee fouled out and Okafor got hurt (from trying to jump 3 inches off the ground and probably pulling a muscle because his leg muscles aren't used to that much air time) they put Sekou back in the game and played Blake at center!  Does Stewart not exist?  Do you think a young, hyper drive big man MIGHT give notoriously lazy center Andre Drummond some problems?  Nyah, let's play ground bound Okafor for 20 minutes.

Speaking of Andre, did anyone else have flashbacks seeing Andre get schooled once by Okafor on a spin move, proceed to talk all sorts of **** to him, demand the ball on the ensuing offensive possession, and then dribble it off his foot out of bounds and then slink away and be passive for the next five minutes?  Yeah, he hasn't changed.  If he gets more money than Plumlee next year I'll be shocked and if he does I will laugh hysterically at whatever stupid franchise gives him that kind of money.

I really hope it's the Bulls.

The idea of paying Drummond more than $10 mil per year is almost as crazy as a rebuilding team paying a role player like Jerami Grant $20 million per year.

The only silver lining here is that the Pistons are going to get Blake hurt again so he won't be able to play.  Of course, this is a Casey coached team so that just means Okafor and Plumlee will play 35 minutes a night a piece while Bey and Stewart get garbage team minutes at most.  

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59 minutes ago, Buddha said:

the bulls hired billy donovan, they are not trying to lose.  they just suck because they have no talent and the talent they do have doesnt know how to play team basketball.

and they hired billy donovan as their head coach without sam presti feeding him talent.  good luck with that.

What I meant was that the Pistons used up all their cap space on guys who are designed, in theory, to help them win games now while the Bulls and Knicks largely sat on their cap space, smartly mind you. All of Donovan, Thibs and Casey are supposed "win now" coaches but the GMs of the three teams went about the offseason very differently and unfortunately for the Pistons their GM made the most puzzling moves.

FTR, I'm perfectly fine with the losing for the reasons Del mentioned with these next two drafts being loaded with high end talent but this season is going to suck to the highest degree if they lose a bunch of games and minimal young player development is to be had.

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2 minutes ago, NYLion said:

What I meant was that the Pistons used up all their cap space on guys who are designed, in theory, to help them win games now while the Bulls and Knicks largely sat on their cap space, smartly mind you. All of Donovan, Thibs and Casey are supposed "win now" coaches but the GMs of the three teams went about the offseason very differently and unfortunately for the Pistons their GM made the most puzzling moves.

FTR, I'm perfectly fine with the losing for the reasons Del mentioned with these next two drafts being loaded with high end talent but this season is going to suck to the highest degree if they lose a bunch of games and minimal young player development is to be had.

I am also very puzzled by the Pistons offseason moves.  I thought the draft was fine, but free agency was very very confusing.

If the goal was to be capped out and still suck, then consider it a great achievement.  But isn't that where they were before?  Now they're just capped out and suck with a bunch of new players.  Huzzah, I guess.

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3 minutes ago, Buddha said:

I am also very puzzled by the Pistons offseason moves.  I thought the draft was fine, but free agency was very very confusing.

If the goal was to be capped out and still suck, then consider it a great achievement.  But isn't that where they were before?  Now they're just capped out and suck with a bunch of new players.  Huzzah, I guess.

I just want to see some young player development this season. If the losses come that's all the more better, but lose with the young players learning harsh lessons through trial by fire as opposed to old has beens chucking up brick after brick. Less than 10 minutes for Sekou and Bey with Hayes getting benched for the last half of the game is deplorable coaching and it's not like the vets were playing lights out.

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2 minutes ago, NYLion said:

I just want to see some young player development this season. If the losses come that's all the more better, but lose with the young players learning harsh lessons through trial by fire as opposed to old has beens chucking up brick after brick. Less than 10 minutes for Sekou and Bey with Hayes getting benched for the last half of the game is deplorable coaching and it's not like the vets were playing lights out.

Say what you want about Hayes, it's not like he's been great, but at least the ball moves when he's on the floor.

With Rose it's all about Rose.  The ball stays in Derrick's hands and everyone watches him dribble and drive and shoot.  Every time.

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Only Weaver can truly answer this.  But I honestly believe he signed these vets thinking they would be tradeable down the road for more assets.  

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4 minutes ago, Buddha said:

Say what you want about Hayes, it's not like he's been great, but at least the ball moves when he's on the floor.

With Rose it's all about Rose.  The ball stays in Derrick's hands and everyone watches him dribble and drive and shoot.  Every time.

Well, the ball moves with Hayes on the floor when Blake isn't hogging it. This is why I was a big fan of the pick, because he's one of the better playmakers in the draft. The problem is that the Pistons don't have many shooters and playing him with Blake "pound the ball for 20 seconds of the shot clock" Griffin sort of negates his strengths which is facilitating the offense.

Don't get me started on Rose. Another stupid rotation playing Sekou with him, how is this guy supposed to develop if the "point guard" doesn't get him the ball?

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The ball moves because Hayes can't shoot and/or score.  This is why it was such a horrible pick.  This isn't 1987 where the pass first PG rules the court.  All of your top end "PGs" are score first type players.  If you have a pass first PG it means you don't have a star because if you had a star the ball would be in his hands 90% of the time, not the scrub PG that can't score.  

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8 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

The ball moves because Hayes can't shoot and/or score.  This is why it was such a horrible pick.  This isn't 1987 where the pass first PG rules the court.  All of your top end "PGs" are score first type players.  If you have a pass first PG it means you don't have a star because if you had a star the ball would be in his hands 90% of the time, not the scrub PG that can't score.  

It's been two games, slow your roll and let the kid play a bit.

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18 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

Only Weaver can truly answer this.  But I honestly believe he signed these vets thinking they would be tradeable down the road for more assets.  

I think he signed them thinking they would be long, athletic and "change the culture."  He wants to rebound and play defense and he signed guys he thought would do both.

That's what has me worried.

If it were about collecting assets, that's fine.  But if he was about collecting assets, he didn't do a great job of it considering how many contracts assets he shipped off to take players in a weak draft.  And he didn't use the Pistons cap space to collect any future assets or take team's bad contracts with an asset attached.  Instead he overpaid for Plumlee and Grant (and Dedmon...and Macgruder...and Jackson...).

This was not an inspiring offseason, imo.  And I thought the draft was fine.  

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