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8 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

I really haven’t watched Tennessee much this season but this is easily the worst DL and pass rush I’ve seen against the Lions all year.   No pressure at all.  Stafford and now Daniel have had all day.  I guess it could be a tribute to Oday Abushi and the Lions patchwork OL but I doubt it.  

And yet they'll win by three touchdowns.

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1 minute ago, Jason_R said:

And yet they'll win by three touchdowns.

2 red zone turnovers combined with the Lions defense.  

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3 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

2 red zone turnovers combined with the Lions defense.  

Yes. And still Stafford might have pulled a rabbit out of his hat if not for his own team coughing up the football.

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20 minutes ago, T&P_Fan said:

There is so much work that needs to be done to make this team competitive.  No matter what the offense looks like, if you have the slowest, worst tackling defense in the league you will lose more than you will win. Hopefully Okudah doesn’t completely bust, but it looks like he might. He was atrocious this season, showed zero progression.  

I think it's very unlikely he completely busts. Most CBs struggle in their first year that comes without a COVID filled offseason and battling injuries. I think it may turn into a long-term case of shoulda/coulda/woulda with either Tua or Herbert though.

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4 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

I think it's very unlikely he completely busts. Most CBs struggle in their first year that comes without a COVID filled offseason and battling injuries. I think it may turn into a long-term case of shoulda/coulda/woulda with either Tua or Herbert though.

Patricia was such a disaster as coach that you have to write off every bit of coaching he gave Okudah. 

I'd bet that all the coaching Okudah got didn't amount to much more than, "You suck rookie."

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National Media is talking about how great stafford played today.

They are really pumping him up to get traded. I think It might happen.

 

 

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1 hour ago, kgeorge78 said:

National Media is talking about how great stafford played today.

They are really pumping him up to get traded. I think It might happen.

 

 

I don’t know if there’s anything to read into it. He did play well. Threw darts. The kind of performance Patricia would not let him have.

Couldn’t overcome his rookies coughing it up. (Yes I know Hock is in year 2.) And couldn’t overcome a toothless defense. 

Maybe Stafford will get traded. But if he was done with the Lions, and if he had told his agent so, he wouldn’t have played today. 

Maybe a new GM/Coach will want to get rid of him, but under the circumstances, I doubt it. He’ll probably be around at least one more year. 

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whatever the national media says about stafford has 0% to do with what the lions will do with him after the season.

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7 hours ago, Buddha said:

whatever the national media says about stafford has 0% to do with what the lions will do with him after the season.

 

not sure about that.   

 

Unless you get a 1st or high 2nd you have to keep him - or trade him and get darnold or wentz for penuats after they get cut.

 

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1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said:

Can the Eagles even cut Wentz? He is owed a lot of money and I have to imagine the cap hit would be massive. 

It’s a tradeable contact.  Eagles would take on $35M in dead money but they can spread it out 2 years if they make him a post June 1 cut.   They have Hurts under contract for a very nice $1.3M the next 4 years.   Total QB spend next 2 year would be less than $20M.  It’s also not a bad contact for the team getting Wentz.  $22M/yr for 2 years is good for a starting QB.  

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1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said:

Can the Eagles even cut Wentz? He is owed a lot of money and I have to imagine the cap hit would be massive. 

the eagles are already in a horrible cap situation.  theyre going to have to cut half their team regardless, cutting wentz is impossible for them right now.

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10 hours ago, Jason_R said:

I don’t know if there’s anything to read into it. He did play well. Threw darts. The kind of performance Patricia would not let him have.

Couldn’t overcome his rookies coughing it up. (Yes I know Hock is in year 2.) And couldn’t overcome a toothless defense. 

Maybe Stafford will get traded. But if he was done with the Lions, and if he had told his agent so, he wouldn’t have played today. 

Maybe a new GM/Coach will want to get rid of him, but under the circumstances, I doubt it. He’ll probably be around at least one more year. 

I think it's more likely that the new regime picks up a QB in the 1st-3rd round that would benefit from sitting and progressing for a year or two. Trey Lance (NDSU), Zach Wilson (BYU), and Kellen Mond (TA&M) are all possibilities that fit that mold. I think Stafford remains the Week #1 starter next year though barring something crazy happening in the draft.

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1 hour ago, MichiganCardinal said:

I think it's more likely that the new regime picks up a QB in the 1st-3rd round that would benefit from sitting and progressing for a year or two. Trey Lance (NDSU), Zach Wilson (BYU), and Kellen Mond (TA&M) are all possibilities that fit that mold. I think Stafford remains the Week #1 starter next year though barring something crazy happening in the draft.

Yes, this seems most likely.

But it would not at all surprise me if a new GM/HC bought into Stafford as QB, and Stafford bought into them, and they gave Stafford another three year contract. And it would not at all bother me.

Edit: Where in the draft are you going to find someone who can lead men like this: 

https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2020/12/21/22192668/matthew-stafford-scores-major-points-teammates-after-gutsy-performance-titans-injury 

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After seeing the way Stafford responded after Patricia was let go, I'm in the keep Stafford camp. Remember, Stafford was meh his first season under Patricia. It's like the Wizard of Oz where they throw the water on the wicked witch and all the flying monkeys are free now. 

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Stafford is not just a franchise quarterback. He is The Franchise. Moving on from him would almost certainly end up a thousand times worse than moving on from Caldwell.

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2 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said:

I think it's more likely that the new regime picks up a QB in the 1st-3rd round that would benefit from sitting and progressing for a year or two. Trey Lance (NDSU), Zach Wilson (BYU), and Kellen Mond (TA&M) are all possibilities that fit that mold. I think Stafford remains the Week #1 starter next year though barring something crazy happening in the draft.

Let's say the initial thought process by the next regime is to pick up a QB in the 1st round (Lance or Wilson) and sit them behind Stafford for a season or two. If someone subsequently (and hypothetically) came calling about Stafford's availability and offered you a current or future 1st round pick for him, would you want the next GM to take the offer or still hang onto Stafford?

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6 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said:

I think it's more likely that the new regime picks up a QB in the 1st-3rd round that would benefit from sitting and progressing for a year or two. Trey Lance (NDSU), Zach Wilson (BYU), and Kellen Mond (TA&M) are all possibilities that fit that mold. I think Stafford remains the Week #1 starter next year though barring something crazy happening in the draft.

The one caveat would be if Stafford wanted out, and who can blame him. Otherwise, I'd be shocked if they moved him this offseason even if they take a QB in the 1st but with a new regime, anything is possible I suppose. 

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22 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Let's say the initial thought process by the next regime is to pick up a QB in the 1st round (Lance or Wilson) and sit them behind Stafford for a season or two. If someone subsequently (and hypothetically) came calling about Stafford's availability and offered you a current or future 1st round pick for him, would you want the next GM to take the offer or still hang onto Stafford?

I don't think anyone should be "untouchable" during a rebuild, so I do think they should have a price in mind. But I don't think they should be actively shopping him either. I don't know what that price should be either, I guess it really depends on how well they feel that new piece would do right out of the gate.

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2 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said:

I don't think anyone should be "untouchable" during a rebuild, so I do think they should have a price in mind. But I don't think they should be actively shopping him either. I don't know what that price should be either, I guess it really depends on how well they feel that new piece would do right out of the gate.

Carson Palmer got a 1st and a 2nd, on an ultimatum. Jay Cutler (!) got two 1sts, a 3rd, and Kyle Orton.

You're not trading Stafford for anything less than multiple high round picks. Two 1sts plus additional picks/player, or a 1st, two 2nds and a player.

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43 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

Carson Palmer got a 1st and a 2nd, on an ultimatum. Jay Cutler (!) got two 1sts, a 3rd, and Kyle Orton.

You're not trading Stafford for anything less than multiple high round picks. Two 1sts plus additional picks/player, or a 1st, two 2nds and a player.

Cutler was young and coming off a Pro Bowl season. Carson Palmer was also traded to Al Davis and the Oakland Raiders so that explains that.

I don't know where Stafford rates. On one hand, if the Lions are saying they can't win with Stafford and are willing to trade him to draft the 4th best QB, why would another team give up high picks instead of drafting a QB? I think he is worth a 1st plus, not sure if he will get that. I think it will depend on the team. If Drew Brees decides to retire, look out for New Orleans. Stafford would be perfect to plug into that offense even though he didn't do well with Lombardi before. I've also heard San Francisco mentioned but Kyle Shanahan may want Matt Ryan instead. 

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1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said:

Cutler was young and coming off a Pro Bowl season. Carson Palmer was also traded to Al Davis and the Oakland Raiders so that explains that.

I don't know where Stafford rates. On one hand, if the Lions are saying they can't win with Stafford and are willing to trade him to draft the 4th best QB, why would another team give up high picks instead of drafting a QB? I think he is worth a 1st plus, not sure if he will get that. I think it will depend on the team. If Drew Brees decides to retire, look out for New Orleans. Stafford would be perfect to plug into that offense even though he didn't do well with Lombardi before. I've also heard San Francisco mentioned but Kyle Shanahan may want Matt Ryan instead. 

exactly.  al davis drafted a kicker in the first round.  he was crazy.

and carson palmer was 31 when that trade was made.  when he was 33 he was traded for a sixth round pick and a seventh round pick.  guess how old matt stafford is?

markets are markets.  stafford is really good (imo) and should be worth multiple picks.  will they get it?  i doubt it.

id rather keep stafford and rebuild the defense.

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