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21 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

I will be disappointed if the search is really beginning now. It should just be wrapping up if the org has actually been gaining any competence under SHF.

What does this even mean?

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1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said:

There is going to be competition.

 

And add the Jets to that. 

The Lions are going to be very low on that list as an attraction. The Jets and Jaguars are going to get young franchise QBs to build around, the Redskins are building an elite level defense and the Texans have Watson. Atlanta (Detroit South) and Detroit are in tough against those other teams, not much of a foundation to build on and old QBs who are in limbo.

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2 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

There is going to be competition.

 

Houston will probably hire Nick Caserio from New England.

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2 minutes ago, NYLion said:

And add the Jets to that. 

The Lions are going to be very low on that list as an attraction. The Jets and Jaguars are going to get young franchise QBs to build around, the Redskins are building an elite level defense and the Texans have Watson. Atlanta (Detroit South) and Detroit are in tough against those other teams, not much of a foundation to build on and old QBs who are in limbo.

I think the Washington job is worse. Daniel Snyder is an erratic owner who likes to meddle. You also have a veteran coach already in place who will probably want say in personnel decisions. Atlanta and Detroit are the same. At least with either you don't need to find a QB right away. You can still wait another year. 

Don't the Jets have a young franchise QB? I don't think having a high draft pick automatically means a young franchise QB. 

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11 minutes ago, NYLion said:

And add the Jets to that. 

The Lions are going to be very low on that list as an attraction. The Jets and Jaguars are going to get young franchise QBs to build around, the Redskins are building an elite level defense and the Texans have Watson. Atlanta (Detroit South) and Detroit are in tough against those other teams, not much of a foundation to build on and old QBs who are in limbo.

Jets GM is in his first year. I'd be shocked if he's going anywhere. Coach and QB weren't his

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6 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

Don't the Jets have a young franchise QB? I don't think having a high draft pick automatically means a young franchise QB. 

Darnold is young, but has regressed and is often hurt. Lawrence is one of those Adrew Luck prospects. You don't pass on those guys 

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21 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

What does this even mean?

that they should have already been looking for at least the last month. I suppose they may have to wait for the season the end to approach certain people (like the Tigers had to wait to approach Hinch) but they damn well ought to have already done their homework on who their targets are.

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6 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

I think the Washington job is worse. Daniel Snyder is an erratic owner who likes to meddle. You also have a veteran coach already in place who will probably want say in personnel decisions. Atlanta and Detroit are the same. At least with either you don't need to find a QB right away. You can still wait another year. 

Don't the Jets have a young franchise QB? I don't think having a high draft pick automatically means a young franchise QB. 

Stafford gives a new GM/Coach combo the same advantage that Quinn had when he inherited Caldwell. The new guy can come in knowing a key piece is in place, and either keep him if things work right away, or throw him under the bus in a year or two if they don't.

I'm very interested to see what kind of Stafford we see the last few games of the season, and what kind of offense. I expect Bevell to cut loose without Patricia making him force-feed Peterson. I also expect to see Kenny Golladay get healthy suddenly, and go out to get paid. Finally, I expect Stafford will thrive without Patricia, and play like he wants to be QB of the Lions for five more years.

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3 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

Stafford gives a new GM/Coach combo the same advantage that Quinn had when he inherited Caldwell. The new guy can come in knowing a key piece is in place, and either keep him if things work right away, or throw him under the bus in a year or two if they don't.

I'm very interested to see what kind of Stafford we see the last few games of the season, and what kind of offense. I expect Bevell to cut loose without Patricia making him force-feed Peterson. I also expect to see Kenny Golladay get healthy suddenly, and go out to get paid. Finally, I expect Stafford will thrive without Patricia, and play like he wants to be QB of the Lions for five more years.

I expect them to go the other way and just IR everyone

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2 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

that they should have already been looking for at least the last month.

Seriously? 

If the Fords made even one phone call... ONE... it would have been front page news the next morning.

And every single coach and GM and prospect would know that the Ford family was playing games with their incumbent coach and GM, and no coach or GM prospect would ever trust the Ford family not to do it to them, too.

That would be a surefire way to add "duplicitous" to the franchise's reputation of merely "incompetent." See who is willing to take your jobs then.

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14 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

I think the Washington job is worse. Daniel Snyder is an erratic owner who likes to meddle. You also have a veteran coach already in place who will probably want say in personnel decisions. Atlanta and Detroit are the same. At least with either you don't need to find a QB right away. You can still wait another year. 

Don't the Jets have a young franchise QB? I don't think having a high draft pick automatically means a young franchise QB. 

But it's a matter of getting Golladay signed. Or let him walk, too many injuries?

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1 minute ago, Jason_R said:

Seriously? 

If the Fords made even one phone call... ONE... it would have been front page news the next morning.

And every single coach and GM and prospect would know that the Ford family was playing games with their incumbent coach and GM, and no coach or GM prospect would ever trust the Ford family not to do it to them, too.

That would be a surefire way to add "duplicitous" to the franchise's reputation of merely "incompetent." See who is willing to take your jobs then.

I think you're reading way too much into this. That's why there are agents, friends, other owners. Happens all the time without making the front page. 

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5 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

Stafford gives a new GM/Coach combo the same advantage that Quinn had when he inherited Caldwell. The new guy can come in knowing a key piece is in place, and either keep him if things work right away, or throw him under the bus in a year or two if they don't.

I'm very interested to see what kind of Stafford we see the last few games of the season, and what kind of offense. I expect Bevell to cut loose without Patricia making him force-feed Peterson. I also expect to see Kenny Golladay get healthy suddenly, and go out to get paid. Finally, I expect Stafford will thrive without Patricia, and play like he wants to be QB of the Lions for five more years.

I'm curious to see the defense. Maybe they finally let loose and quit playing so much man coverage. 

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18 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

I think the Washington job is worse. Daniel Snyder is an erratic owner who likes to meddle. You also have a veteran coach already in place who will probably want say in personnel decisions. Atlanta and Detroit are the same. At least with either you don't need to find a QB right away. You can still wait another year. 

Don't the Jets have a young franchise QB? I don't think having a high draft pick automatically means a young franchise QB. 

Good point about Snyder. That does knock Washington down a couple of notches.

The Jets are drafting Lawrence, obviously. He alone will make them an attractive destination.

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1 minute ago, Jason_R said:

Seriously? 

If the Fords made even one phone call... ONE... it would have been front page news the next morning.

And every single coach and GM and prospect would know that the Ford family was playing games with their incumbent coach and GM, and no coach or GM prospect would ever trust the Ford family not to do it to them, too.

That would be a surefire way to add "duplicitous" to the franchise's reputation of merely "incompetent." See who is willing to take your jobs then.

Yeah, NFL people don't play that. Shelly might have been talking to people in the league about it. It's not a secret.

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20 minutes ago, NYLion said:

And add the Jets to that. 

The Lions are going to be very low on that list as an attraction. The Jets and Jaguars are going to get young franchise QBs to build around, the Redskins are building an elite level defense and the Texans have Watson. Atlanta (Detroit South) and Detroit are in tough against those other teams, not much of a foundation to build on and old QBs who are in limbo.

I still think there is a major open question about what happens to the team when Martha passes. SHF is the designated manager, but who actually inherits the team? Have all the other siblings' claims been settled if SHF is to end up sole owner? If the family continues to own the team jointly in shares is SHF's position secure with her sibs or was it just Martha's decision at the time? This stuff may have been put to bed privately but if I am looking at taking over management of this franchise I want to know all those answers. Are the Fords willing to make those disclosures where they might leak out to the public?

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2 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

Seriously? 

If the Fords made even one phone call... ONE... it would have been front page news the next morning.

And every single coach and GM and prospect would know that the Ford family was playing games with their incumbent coach and GM, and no coach or GM prospect would ever trust the Ford family not to do it to them, too.

That would be a surefire way to add "duplicitous" to the franchise's reputation of merely "incompetent." See who is willing to take your jobs then.

Wouldn't they need to formally request to speak with candidates? It would be tampering if they didn't and we would for sure know if they requested to speak with someone. 

1 minute ago, Sports_Freak said:

But it's a matter of getting Golladay signed. Or let him walk, too many injuries?

They can still franchise Golladay which is likely what will happen. 

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1 minute ago, cruzer1 said:

Yeah, NFL people don't play that. Shelly might have been talking to people in the league about it. It's not a secret.

They may be able to trust the league office, but they would not call candidates directly.

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3 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Wouldn't they need to formally request to speak with candidates? It would be tampering if they didn't and we would for sure know if they requested to speak with someone. 

They can still franchise Golladay which is likely what will happen. 

You don't need to talk directly to any of your targets to have started doing your research. It's the difference between pro-active and re-active management. It would be nice to have some of the former after 60 yrs of the latter..

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2 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

You don't need to talk directly to any of your targets to have started doing your research. It's the difference between pro-active and re-active management. It would be nice to have some of the former after 60 yrs of the latter..

I don't understand why you would make the decision to replace a GM but wait a month or so to fire them after you started a search behind their back. 

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9 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

They may be able to trust the league office, but they would not call candidates directly.

Correct. One candidate they can contact right would be Rick Smith. Anyone else would have to wait for after the end of the season.

They couldn't contact candidates, per NFL tampering rules.

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7 minutes ago, cruzer1 said:

 

They couldn't contact candidates, per NFL tampering rules.

Yes they could. Just need other owner's permission

And stop with Rick Smith. He's not some golden goose you present him to be. He's spotty at best. Sure they could interview him, but he is the definition of meh

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21 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

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I still think there is a major open question about what happens to the team when Martha passes. SHF is the designated manager, but who actually inherits the team? Have all the other siblings' claims been settled if SHF is to end up sole owner? If the family continues to own the team jointly in shares is SHF's position secure with her sibs or was it just Martha's decision at the time? This stuff may have been put to bed privately but if I am looking at taking over management of this franchise I want to know all those answers. Are the Fords willing to make those disclosures where they might leak out to the public?

Shelia is the principal owner. What more do you want? Them to declare she is super duper owner?

The rest of em are vice chairman as they have been for decades. 

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56 minutes ago, NYLion said:

Good point about Snyder. That does knock Washington down a couple of notches.

The Jets are drafting Lawrence, obviously. He alone will make them an attractive destination.

Joe Douglas is in his first year as Jets GM, I doubt he gets canned.

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51 minutes ago, Keepleyland2 said:

Shelia is the principal owner. What more do you want? Them to declare she is super duper owner?

The rest of em are vice chairman as they have been for decades. 

she is the principle manager. All four sibs are going to have a financial claim on the estate that includes part of the Lions when Martha dies unless she wrote them out of her will. I don't think that is likely. Or they put the team in trust. But that would also require public filings and we would probably know about it by now (as we did with the Tigers), but either way that is the kind of info that a prospective high level employee is going to want to know before signing on and so far none of that info has been publicly available.

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