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1 hour ago, Longgone said:

You value Pitts because he has rare skills. He's not redundant to Hockenson, he'd play with him. He's a chess piece. You can put him in the backfield, in the slot, outside, in motion. He can run a full tree. He can help both the passing and running game. He and Hockenson together would create a lot of mismatches.

Pitts is a big receiver.  he's not going to block like we think of tight ends blocking.

but you draft him because he's an amazing receiver and a matchup nightmare for defenses.

the guy dominated alabama, that's pretty damn good.

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8 minutes ago, Buddha said:

Pitts is a big receiver.  he's not going to block like we think of tight ends blocking.

but you draft him because he's an amazing receiver and a matchup nightmare for defenses.

the guy dominated alabama, that's pretty damn good.

That's the key, the NFL is all about creating matchup problems, doesn't matter the position, you want guys that create problems for the opposition and Pitts does that.   

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Pitts is a unique talent and looks like a stud.

Still, this team can’t draft TE in the top 8 in 2 of the last 3 drafts.   It’s a luxury their lack of overall talent doesn’t afford them.   

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1 minute ago, Hongbit said:

Pitts is a unique talent and looks like a stud.

Still, this team can’t draft TE in the top 8 in 2 of the last 3 drafts.   It’s a luxury their lack of overall talent doesn’t afford them.   

Hock and Pitts are TE only by old school archaic ways of labeling positions.   Hock is a great blocker that can move to the slot, he's basically an extra blocker that has the ability to catch the ball.   Pitts is a playmaker that can play all over the field.    They are multi dimensional players that can impact the game in multiple ways and create mismatches.  That's what you want!

It's like the people that lazily labeled Jamal Adams a safety and wondered why the Seahawks traded 2 firsts for a "safety".  It's the same old archaic ways of labeling players by positions, yes he was technically a safety by the old school way of naming positions but he also would line up as an edge linebacker, play a spy linebacker, be a rush defender, nickel corner and so much more.  That's why he got 2 firsts.   

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2 minutes ago, Buddha said:

hockenson is a tight end.  pitts is a wide receiver.

Coming out of college Hock was a much better blocker than your standard TE.   He was basically touted as a tackle that could run a 4.6 and catch passes.    That's why he was drafted and rated as highly as he was.      

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11 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

Coming out of college Hock was a much better blocker than your standard TE.   He was basically touted as a tackle that could run a 4.6 and catch passes.    That's why he was drafted and rated as highly as he was.      

yeah well....he's not that.

he's a nice move-the-chains tight end who is an ok blocker.  he's not travis kelce.

which is ok!  there arent many travis kelce's in the world.

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5 minutes ago, Buddha said:

yeah well....he's not that.

he's a nice move-the-chains tight end who is an ok blocker.  he's not travis kelce.

which is ok!  there arent many travis kelce's in the world.

Hock's 2nd year numbers mirror Kelce's except Hock was younger than him after 2 seasons and was viewed as a much superior prospect.  

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1 minute ago, RandyMarsh said:

Hock's 2nd year numbers mirror Kelce's except Hock was younger than him after 2 seasons and was viewed as a much superior prospect.  

you've watched them both play, i assume?  hockenson will need to learn how to not fall down after he catches the ball to be kelce.

he's still young, plenty of time to get better.

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2 minutes ago, Buddha said:

you've watched them both play, i assume?  hockenson will need to learn how to not fall down after he catches the ball to be kelce.

he's still young, plenty of time to get better.

Agree and by no means am I predicting he will be Kelce nor do I expect.  My original point about him though was that he was drafted and labeled a "TE" but that is an outdated term.   It's not like he was drafted that early to be your old cliche TE that lines up tight and catches 5-10 yard passes, he was drafted that high cause he could block like a lineman yet was agile enough to play the slot and catch passes.   What guys are labeled at isn't important it's how versatile and the matchup problems they can create which is important.  

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To use a basketball analogy it would be like passing on Cade Cunningham cause he is a "Point Guard" and they shouldn't be drafted early.  Sure he is labeled a "Point Guard" but he is so much more than that.  

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