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Matt Patricia/Bob Quinn fired - Holmes/Cambell Hired as GM/Coach

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1 minute ago, Gehringer_2 said:

so who do we think is so smart all of a sudden? Is SHF a quick study? Is Spielman lining all these guys up? For sure doesn't look much like the Quinn hire.

I would say Sheila. If it is Spielman, Sheila gets credit for adding Spielman. Generally kids aren't going to be to tell their parents what to do.

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3 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

Dimitroff would be terrific but I would also throw Jerry Reese's name out there as well. I could also see them adding someone like Marvin Lewis to the front office.

Dimitroff seems like the best, most accomplished name out there for this role. I would ensure that he understands he's in a clear #2 role, reporting to Holmes directly.

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2 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

Say what you will about the Lions past, but for the first time I feel this team is putting together a competent staff with a clear vision. I wasn't blown away by the Campbell hire but the staff being put together is impressive and maybe it has to do with this collaborative approach. If the Lions draft their QB, I feel he will be placed into a better situation than Stafford was in 2009. 

I think you are right that this new QB will have a better situation than Stafford overall.  I believe in this crew moreso than the post-Millen gang.

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19 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Red flags about whether his manifested personality defects in prior roles makes him a good fit for this inexperienced group and collabrative model.  Seems to me like they should have gone for fit rather than pure smarts.  We will see how this works out.

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1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said:

The Lions need to draft a QB and they just hired the guy who drafted Patrick Mahomes and Baker Mayfield. Both the best QBs in their respective drafts. 

That is the big potential upside!

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6 minutes ago, sabretooth said:

Red flags about whether his manifested personality defects in prior roles makes him a good fit for this inexperienced group and collabrative model.  Seems to me like they should have gone for fit rather than pure smarts.  We will see how this works out.

That doesn't bother me. This is a couple year rebuild. You have one of the best talent evaluators who led a massive rebuild in Cleveland. After a couple seasons when you can't stand him, fire him. You've got your use out of him. He left Kansas City and Cleveland in great shape. Both those teams are contending for years to come. Come in rebuild the Lions, send him on his way and reap the rewards. 

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5 hours ago, Gehringer_2 said:

you guys are missing the second option. It not petulant to leave, it would be silly *if* he didn't at least look at the new guys and find out what their plans are. Unless he has a no-trade as leverage - and I haven't heard anyone say he does, that is not like the Verlander situation. If  he has no voice where he gets sent it's not like he has any guarantee to go to a contender. So yes, there is risk for him if the new regime takes too long to improve,  but there is also downside risk for him in where he gets traded (i.e. they engineer a swap for Watson).  Take the most extreme hypothetical - What if they had been able to hire Andy Reid away from KC? You wouldn't consider that maybe would/should have made him think again? The real point here is the second part or the post - it's that he wasn't impressed by the Lion's moves. And that tends to be supported by the fact that this news is only coming out after the HC and GM calls were made - as in "Yes I did wait and look and I see what you have done and you haven't changed my mind."

Or the other option is that he thinks the roster is so bad now that even if we had landed an Andy Reid they were still too far away - which again is not a happy thought.

No one but a team that thinks it's a quarterback away from serious contention will trade for him.  So if he goes anywhere, it will be to a team that is considerably better than the Lions.  Then we'll see if he is capable of taking a team to the promised land, or at least to a playoff win.

Because I hate the Lions so much, I hope that he succeeds somewhere else, and that the Lions rebuild themselves into . . . the Lions.

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2 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

Lions are nailing it with their hires. 

At the very least they are opening their checkbook. 

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3 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

That doesn't bother me. This is a couple year rebuild. You have one of the best talent evaluators who led a massive rebuild in Cleveland. After a couple seasons when you can't stand him, fire him. You've got your use out of him. He left Kansas City and Cleveland in great shape. Both those teams are contending for years to come. Come in rebuild the Lions, send him on his way and reap the rewards. 

sounds like a plan....as an academic thing, I wonder how he and Holmes responsibilities will mesh.

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Shane Steichen was the Chargers OC coordinator and QB coach before that. If he doesn't get another OC job, could make for a good QB coach with a young QB coming in considering the work he did with Herbert. 

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Staley seems to be another solid hire. He will probably also be assistant HC. The next big hire is going to be the QB coach. That position comes suddenly important with the departure of Stafford. 

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Several other opportunities and he chose the Lions. Every coach Campbell has added reportedly had other options. 

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The optimist in me thinks that with all of this firepower in the front office and coaching staff, the Lions are killing it this offseason and destined to right the ship. 

The pessimist in me thinks that Sheila is throwing a lot of money around. She is attracting a lot of different people from a lot of different places and hoping they will all mesh together. Hope ain’t an organizational culture. And as a fan, I hope we don’t see people jumping ship after a 3-13 season and saying, “That place is a train wreck.”

Someone is going to have to have the vision, credibility, and stones to create that corporate culture — and police/penalize deviations from it. Probably going to have to be Spielman. 

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3 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

The optimist in me thinks that with all of this firepower in the front office and coaching staff, the Lions are killing it this offseason and destined to right the ship. 

The pessimist in me thinks that Sheila is throwing a lot of money around. She is attracting a lot of different people from a lot of different places and hoping they will all mesh together. Hope ain’t an organizational culture. And as a fan, I hope we don’t see people jumping ship after a 3-13 season and saying, “That place is a train wreck.”

Someone is going to have to have the vision, credibility, and stones to create that corporate culture — and police/penalize deviations from it. Probably going to have to be Spielman. 

All these people have to know it is a rebuild so they should be expecting a 3-13 season. The Lions were up front about Stafford moving on. These coaches and front office people were going to come from somewhere so I'm glad the Lions are hiring the best. The Quinn regime brought in people who fit the Patriot way and that was a train wreck. I'm glad they are putting together people from different organizations and trying to create the Lion way which is not losing. I hope these coaches don't stay long because they are being hired by other teams as HC and coordinators. 

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Also, I have no problem with Sheila throwing money around. John Dorsey couldn't have come cheap. Someone with his credentials and experience is probably making GM money. Ownership is showing a commitment to this team and putting together an elite staff. If it doesn't work you can't fault the commitment from ownership. 

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I'm usually not on the bandwagon to bring in former players who had some measure of success - but I think Campbell having been here & understanding the culture will help. Also, when mom was calling the shots - she let the NFL kinda head up the search & did what they said. Sheila seems to have a battle plan, looking for leaders at every level. Time will tell, but I haven't been this excited since the last rebuild. ;)

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22 minutes ago, djhutch said:

I'm usually not on the bandwagon to bring in former players who had some measure of success - but I think Campbell having been here & understanding the culture will help. Also, when mom was calling the shots - she let the NFL kinda head up the search & did what they said. Sheila seems to have a battle plan, looking for leaders at every level. Time will tell, but I haven't been this excited since the last rebuild. ;)

I was optimistic about the last regime since the Lions finally went outside the organization and consulted with someone I thought was good at hiring talent. Quinn was qualified and came from a winning organization. It seems like they learned from the Quinn mistake and didn't just interview a couple candidates, make a hire, and sit back. They did a more thorough search and they also hired Dorsey so Holmes won't be on his own. Holmes and Dorsey are among the two best talent evaluators. With Quinn, it was debatable whether it was Quinn, Belichick, or Brady as the brains of the operation. I also think there will be more accountability vs the Quinn era. 

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I'm sure all of these people choosing the Lions has to do with a combination of things, including money, time and patience, and liking the others that will be around them. I like the latter reason the most.

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4 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

All these people have to know it is a rebuild so they should be expecting a 3-13 season. The Lions were up front about Stafford moving on. These coaches and front office people were going to come from somewhere so I'm glad the Lions are hiring the best. The Quinn regime brought in people who fit the Patriot way and that was a train wreck. I'm glad they are putting together people from different organizations and trying to create the Lion way which is not losing. I hope these coaches don't stay long because they are being hired by other teams as HC and coordinators. 

You’re probably right, but I’m a Lions fan. I’ve been hurt before. 😉

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